Diamond versus Brunswick
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Never said it was a design flaw. Just that’s ive seen plenty GC’s hop. Of course Brunswick’s out number Diamond about 100 to 1 so I’m sure plenty of poor mechanics screwed up a number of them.
My brother in law bought a Connelly, against my recommendation, that brand new table hopped like a rabbit.
How are these NOT design flaws?
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its called use a bridge that works like it has for the last almost 60 years.
You banging your cue or any body parts is your inability to maintain control of your equipment or body is all YOUR FLAW.
Trent from Toledo
How are these NOT design flaws?
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its called use a bridge that works like it has for the last almost 60 years.
You banging your cue or any body parts is your inability to maintain control of your equipment or body is all YOUR FLAW.
Trent from Toledo
I wouldn’t call those design flaws either but Diamond has a much cleaner look.
Those aren’t what cut my fingers. I think my cuts came from the ball box but I’m not sure. All I know is I had two finger cuts after about two hours playing on that GC
They can say they took the counters and name badge out because they wanted smooth rails: I call B.S.
Brunswick HAPPILY dumped them because it saved them money, that was the reason first and foremost!
Trent from Toledo
Well, Trent, it is ok to prefer GCs over Diamonds. However, not accepting facts is not. You state that a bridge avoids problems. Yes, it does. Still, if I want to lay my cue onto the rail I want to be able to do just that (and no, I personally don't because I am used to old GCs and never adopted that technique - which has been recommended to me by my personal trainer, though - on a non-GC table).
Also, you mention you never heard of people tearing their pants and shirts. Well, there were several on this thread here, including me. You state that all this can only be due to faulty installation. Yes, maybe you're right. But look at the picture straight from the Brunswick site that I posted earlier in the thread - showing a brand new GC VI set up by Brunswick. Your imagination should reach so far as to see how you can tear your pants on that one. Tight fitting denim might not tear, a regular thin t-shirt can easily get caught on those sharp edges.
So - what you're basically saying is that even Brunswick themselves can't set up their own tables properly. Now, that is what I call a design flaw. Disregarding the fact that a few very able table mechanics CAN set up a Brunswick table with completely flush metal parts if they invest extra work. A $ 10k table should not need a top notch table mechanic - a mediocre table fitter should be able to set it up like a Diamond or many other tables without those problems - IMHO.
And all this after Brunswick is one of the oldest pool table outfits who have gone through many incarnations of their tables. I can't believe that they never heard of this problem ever, after the GC I, II, III and so on. And now they release a GC VI (sic!) with the exact same problem after so many years.
To me, this proves that they just don't care.
Still, I like seeing a Brunswick table because it reminds me of the many hours I played on them when I was young. But I seriously believe they should have been able to iron out such flaws and they should have set a retail price at least close to what another top notch manufacturer producing tables within the US is able to sell them for.
Even if their tables sell for prices similar to Diamonds after heavy discounts from the MSRP I do not think that many room owners or private persons will even ask if a GC VI is over $3000 more - advertised on their site. And I believe this will eventually lead to the Brunswick pool division's demise. Which they probably won't mind anyway.
Also, you mention you never heard of people tearing their pants and shirts. Well, there were several on this thread here, including me. You state that all this can only be due to faulty installation. Yes, maybe you're right. But look at the picture straight from the Brunswick site that I posted earlier in the thread - showing a brand new GC VI set up by Brunswick. Your imagination should reach so far as to see how you can tear your pants on that one. Tight fitting denim might not tear, a regular thin t-shirt can easily get caught on those sharp edges.
So - what you're basically saying is that even Brunswick themselves can't set up their own tables properly. Now, that is what I call a design flaw. Disregarding the fact that a few very able table mechanics CAN set up a Brunswick table with completely flush metal parts if they invest extra work. A $ 10k table should not need a top notch table mechanic - a mediocre table fitter should be able to set it up like a Diamond or many other tables without those problems - IMHO.
And all this after Brunswick is one of the oldest pool table outfits who have gone through many incarnations of their tables. I can't believe that they never heard of this problem ever, after the GC I, II, III and so on. And now they release a GC VI (sic!) with the exact same problem after so many years.
To me, this proves that they just don't care.
Still, I like seeing a Brunswick table because it reminds me of the many hours I played on them when I was young. But I seriously believe they should have been able to iron out such flaws and they should have set a retail price at least close to what another top notch manufacturer producing tables within the US is able to sell them for.
Even if their tables sell for prices similar to Diamonds after heavy discounts from the MSRP I do not think that many room owners or private persons will even ask if a GC VI is over $3000 more - advertised on their site. And I believe this will eventually lead to the Brunswick pool division's demise. Which they probably won't mind anyway.
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You are right, it is total B.S. that they can't even set up their own product correctly! I cannot refute that, if one of their guys can't line all the castings up with the rails & aprons before locking the top down, I don't care who you work for, its on them for sure.
They make their money in recreational/ furniture style pool tables.
Trent from Toledo
I would guess that 1 out of every 1000 pool tables Brunswick sells is a Gold Crown, so there really isn't much incentive for them to lower their price to be more competitive with Diamond.
Here's something that's hard to believe.
I've been playing pool for about 50 years and I played on a Diamond table for my first time just yesterday. It was like shooting on a......pool table. :grin:
Oddly enough, it was also the first time I have played on a table with a ball return (excluding Valley's that have been opened up).
After having played on many Brunswick tables, I will admit to the lines/edges of the Diamond to be of superior design to that of a Gold Crown.
If I were going to purchase a new table today I would go with a Diamond, but it would be a bar box due to space limitations. I have a standard 8-footer now and with my furniture (high tables and chairs) it gets a bit crowded on certain shots. IMHO, Diamond makes a fine table.
I will add that I have never hurt myself, torn any clothing, nor damaged any cues playing on a GC, but I did cut the crap out of my thigh on a dilapidated Valley one night.
Maniac (HAS lead a sheltered life :frown
I've been playing pool for about 50 years and I played on a Diamond table for my first time just yesterday. It was like shooting on a......pool table. :grin:
Oddly enough, it was also the first time I have played on a table with a ball return (excluding Valley's that have been opened up).
After having played on many Brunswick tables, I will admit to the lines/edges of the Diamond to be of superior design to that of a Gold Crown.
If I were going to purchase a new table today I would go with a Diamond, but it would be a bar box due to space limitations. I have a standard 8-footer now and with my furniture (high tables and chairs) it gets a bit crowded on certain shots. IMHO, Diamond makes a fine table.
I will add that I have never hurt myself, torn any clothing, nor damaged any cues playing on a GC, but I did cut the crap out of my thigh on a dilapidated Valley one night.
Maniac (HAS lead a sheltered life :frown
Quit your whining how bad either table is.
Try that one.
https://youtu.be/8OKStU8vsEg?t=2923Cheap plywood copy of the Gold Crown.
Two world talents playing big money match on it.
And the pros there promote that table.
Try that one.
https://youtu.be/8OKStU8vsEg?t=2923Cheap plywood copy of the Gold Crown.
Two world talents playing big money match on it.
And the pros there promote that table.
7 footer
Around 2004 while at the SBE I was at Babyface's booth he had a 7 ft Diamond set up.Ralf Souqet came over and hit some balls on it when he was done without anyone asking said " this table plays like a 9 ft table "
So I think you will enjoy your new table .
Here's something that's hard to believe.
I've been playing pool for about 50 years and I played on a Diamond table for my first time just yesterday. It was like shooting on a......pool table. :grin:
Oddly enough, it was also the first time I have played on a table with a ball return (excluding Valley's that have been opened up).
After having played on many Brunswick tables, I will admit to the lines/edges of the Diamond to be of superior design to that of a Gold Crown.
If I were going to purchase a new table today I would go with a Diamond, but it would be a bar box due to space limitations. I have a standard 8-footer now and with my furniture (high tables and chairs) it gets a bit crowded on certain shots. IMHO, Diamond makes a fine table.
I will add that I have never hurt myself, torn any clothing, nor damaged any cues playing on a GC, but I did cut the crap out of my thigh on a dilapidated Valley one night.
Maniac (HAS lead a sheltered life :frown
Around 2004 while at the SBE I was at Babyface's booth he had a 7 ft Diamond set up.Ralf Souqet came over and hit some balls on it when he was done without anyone asking said " this table plays like a 9 ft table "
So I think you will enjoy your new table .
How does a 7’ play like a 9’? I am not sure I understand this statement.
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I THINK Ralf was implying that the 7 footer had the same quality as a 9 foot Diamond.
....it put most ‘bar boxes’ to shame.
....I feel the same way
Understood but a table should always play like a table. Wether 7’ or 9’. Only thing that should change is the distance. Now we all know that isn’t the case. But that’s not because of the size.
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I'd say 7' Diamonds play real close to how the 9' Diamonds play, if not exactly the same.
Jason
What he meant is that it plays like a real pool table and not a bar table. The Diamond small table was a revolution in tavern pool. Finally a table that played like it was supposed to.
Check out all the side betting going on between games. It happens after every game and it's crazy! The breaker has to wait until all the bets are down on the next game. :wink:
Saw it last year with James Aranas and Pulpol in Davao.
It was nuts.
The hand signals are , fists or knuckles for the breaker, and open hand for the non-breaker.
Most of the time the breaker gets tired waiting and the pool hall manager tells them to shut-up already.
And amazingly, the players and their entourage find out who won big on side bets and ask for a piece of the pie.
Peeps here who whine how bad GC and Diamond tables are should try playing those tables there . Most have no walls or AC as you know.
I don't like luxury tables that cost a lot of money. I'll get myself a hand-crafted piece ...
well, the torn pants problem is not yet solved but definitely no metal parts on this one.
