did i make a big mistake ??

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hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, even the pro shop owner who has seen me play and knows my style, said the same thing,well now i cant hit the broad side of a barn now, shot making went down hill Expecially my cut shots,:angry: even a few straight ins have been here and there but my cuts shots are bad and it took me so long to get them down do these kamui tips need to break in ??? really really struggleing now :( i fell like im taking 10 steps BACKWARDS now,as i said before im really new at this but im losing my confidance quickly to the point i am afraid to step up and shoot now:frown: thanks for listening to my rant

Bill
 
Now I don't know for certain...but....I did shoot with and OB1 with a kamui black ss for a little bit. I didn't like it at all. I was told that the ss is the wrong tip for the OB and should have had a medium on it.

That being said...you have to get used to a new tip...and did you screw up? No...you can always change it...tips are cheap.
 
Trying out different types of tips isn't making a mistake. It does take a lot longer for newer players to make adjustments. If it's really that bad just put an Everest tip back on it.

Most players know what length they like on a tip and the type of consistency. You'll definitely get a different hit with a layered tip down to the end of its life compared to one with several stacked layers.
 
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bauercrew said:
hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, even the pro shop owner who has seen me play and knows my style, said the same thing,well now i cant hit the broad side of a barn now, shot making went down hill Expecially my cut shots,:angry: even a few straight ins have been here and there but my cuts shots are bad and it took me so long to get them down do these kamui tips need to break in ??? really really struggleing now :( i fell like im taking 10 steps BACKWARDS now,as i said before im really new at this but im losing my confidance quickly to the point i am afraid to step up and shoot now:frown: thanks for listening to my rant

Bill
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The tip is too soft for you, I'd suggest a soft max. Your actually getting to much contact with the cue ball, meaning it's staying on the tip longer than what your used to so it's throwing your shot off.

Now with that being said, use less English stay more to the center of the ball, and cut the ball a touch less than you think you may need to.

See if this helps.

Black Cat :cool:
 
I bought a Z-2 that came with a Kamui Black SS. That tip on that shaft is a horrible combination. I also noticed fairly obvious accuracy issues. The stock Tiger Everest is a much better tip for me. Anything softer is just too mushy.
 
Stop thinking about the tip and focus more on the shot. Sounds like you're really focused on the tip and how it's gonna perform. Make the shot.
 
bauercrew said:
hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, ...
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A Kamui is an expensive tip. Unless you can tell the difference between a Kamui and a Triangle yourself, there is no need to get a Kamui. I think you would be better off getting a couple of good pool books with the difference in cost between the K and the T, and you can get a couple of books for the difference in cost.

An OB1 is a fairly expensive shaft. It will give low squirt (cue ball deflection) when you use side spin. If you do not use side spin yet, it will make little difference to your game. If you are not using side spin on the cut shots you have been missing, neither the Kamui nor the OB1 is at fault. Maybe you are aiming wrong or maybe your arm is not coming through straight. But it's not the stick.
 
The tip is too soft for you, I'd suggest a soft max. Your actually getting to much contact with the cue ball, meaning it's staying on the tip longer than what your used to so it's throwing your shot off.
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I believe this is entirely bogus.
 
jka said:
I bought a Z-2 that came with a Kamui Black SS. That tip on that shaft is a horrible combination. I also noticed fairly obvious accuracy issues. The stock Tiger Everest is a much better tip for me. Anything softer is just too mushy.
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What part of the accuracy is lost? Are you saying that the tip causes the cue to shoot crooked?
 
try taking it down to about 3 layers, and just have a slight dome, might make all the difference.
 
I agree 100% with Mr. Jewett. The tip is not making you miss. Sorry.

I have used the Everest, Apus, Kamui black SS and Med, as well as the Kamui brown soft on my OB1 shaft. Felt different. Had subtle differences in the way they played. Pick one you like and stay with it.

Best advice ever...play closer to the center of the cue ball. Try using 1/2 and 1/4 tips of english or even an 1/8 if you can see it!

Lastly, relax and enjoy the experience.

Ken
 
Take it off before it drives you nuts.My philosophy is,your equipment
should adapt to your style instead of you changing your style to
adapt to the equipment.
I found with the OB1 shaft, that a real soft tip is awful.Those shafts
hit soft to begin with.Once you put a super-soft tip on it,the shaft
feels like it looses its spine and your hitting with a wooden sponge.

Stay with a medium hard to a hard tip for the OB1 and you'll feel
like your back in the game again.Goodluck
 
Good advice, change the tip. But don't believe for a heartbeat the tip is causing you to miss shots.
 
Bill, play close attention to bob's posts. There's a reason he gets asked to write for pool magazines while the rest of us hack away on the forums.

There's a huge tendency for guys around your level to focus too much on equipment. If you aim the shot correctly and don't put unwanted sidespin on it, it goes in the hole. Period. The tip does not change your line of aim. If it did, we'd all go batshit having to relearn how to aim every time we tried a different stick or tip.

In short, it's in your head. I could probably take your stick, tell you I was putting the old tip back on, but actually not touch it... Give it back and suddenly you're making balls again because you have confidence in your equipment again. People hit balls differently when they are confident vs when they're worried about the tip or their stroke or whether they're wearing their lucky socks.

When you become rock solid consistent, then you can worry about the effect different equipment has on your game. Right now there's now way of knowing whether you missed because of the cue (very rare) or because you just don't have the consistency of, say, a 7 yet.

Not knocking your game, you'll get there. The first step to getting truly good is to start really thinking about why you miss or didn't get position, and be honest about it, don't look for excuses or try to cure stroke problems with new equipment.


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Hand it over to a good player. Not an APA 6 or whatever but someone "A" speed, a shortstop or better. Have him run a couple racks with it and show you just what that stick is capable of. You just might be surprised. That should erase all doubt there is anything wrong with the stick.

It's not the stick or the tip.
 
Bob Jewett said:
A Kamui is an expensive tip. Unless you can tell the difference between a Kamui and a Triangle yourself, there is no need to get a Kamui. I think you would be better off getting a couple of good pool books with the difference in cost between the K and the T, and you can get a couple of books for the difference in cost.

An OB1 is a fairly expensive shaft. It will give low squirt (cue ball deflection) when you use side spin. If you do not use side spin yet, it will make little difference to your game. If you are not using side spin on the cut shots you have been missing, neither the Kamui nor the OB1 is at fault. Maybe you are aiming wrong or maybe your arm is not coming through straight. But it's not the stick.
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I second this post wholeheartedly. Especially the part about buying some instructional material. No tip is gonna make you miss straight in shots.
 
One thing to remember is that even the Kamui SS is not a magic tip, not even with the $30 chalk. I believe there is always a break in period. I know personally, I install the new tip, I play with it for a while I re-shape and re-shave if necessary and I repeat that several times over a day or two before it's ready for match play. I think there is always break in period
 
hey everyone thanks for all the replys

by no means am i blaming my equipmet just looking for some honest sugestions thats all im just frustrated cause it seems im going backwards and dont mean to sound like a cheapskate but that damn tip cost me $45 bucks just need to decide to keep shooting with it or remove it ;) igoing to try again this friday and put in about 5 -6 hours of shooting
 
nobcitypool said:
Good advice, change the tip. But don't believe for a heartbeat the tip is causing you to miss shots.
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It is the archer not the arrow .If you are a new player dont feed into all the BS To play good you need the following # 1 a stick with a tip (any ) & #2 hours and hours of practice IMHO
 
bauercrew said:
hey everyone in am fairly new at pool play on a apa league since august last year. skill level 3, question is i shoot with a ob sneaky with ob1 shaft shot up untill last week with the factory tip, was doing fairly good(was really starting to have ALOT of confidance in my shots)well the tip needed replaced went with a kamui ss tip as per a lot of people suggested, even the pro shop owner who has seen me play and knows my style, said the same thing,well now i cant hit the broad side of a barn now, shot making went down hill Expecially my cut shots,:angry: even a few straight ins have been here and there but my cuts shots are bad and it took me so long to get them down do these kamui tips need to break in ??? really really struggleing now :( i fell like im taking 10 steps BACKWARDS now,as i said before im really new at this but im losing my confidance quickly to the point i am afraid to step up and shoot now:frown: thanks for listening to my rant

Bill
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First of all you don't need an ob wan kenobe shaft. It is probably doing you more harm than good.

You need a simple cue with a solid maple shaft with somewhere around 13mm tip. A Kamui tip is OK but it totally unnecessary to spend that much money for a tip if you are a SL3. A single layer tip is just fine for you.

Those fancy hyped items do you no good. Learn the basics and when you are at SL5 look for a nicer cue. Stay away from all the LD shafts.

Practice

Kim
 
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