Did Ken Schuman Shortchange Ko in His Match Against Shaw?

Ha, no way. Who's going to translate into 20 languages? Those foreign players probably speak English better than some of the American players.

Um.....document translation is extremely easy. It doesn’t require someone manually translating anymore. Obviously a few things don’t translate well, but getting the overall idea would get across.
 
Giving the players a copy in their native language seems like it would be automatic for a tournament which draws so many top players from around the world.

Is this the same Ko who had a problem in an earlier match when the referee wouldn't give a re-rack?

Yeah, everyone should get a handout of some sort.
 
Does anyone else think Ken looks like Don Knotts, the great comedian? I never realized that until just now watching him on the stream. They could be brothers! :thumbup:
 
Was this ever resolved? Was Ko provided with a copy of the rules in his language and did Schuman get the rule correct?
 
How many refs do they need in the kaci-chang match? Lady wearing one glove racking in one game none the next, wiping the cueball with a glove while holding it in other,then sitting it down with bare hand.

You think that's bad, I heard Oi asked for a break and when he left, Deuel asks the ref if he can break the balls and play on.

....the ref said yeah sure go ahead. Oi comes back he's looking at an opened rack and a long shot on the two ball.

Here's another one, same match. Deuel wants ref to watch the hit, tries to flag him down(ref is in a trance). It takes someone from the stands to yell out and get the refs attention to acknowledge Corey.

I'm just curious, is this par for the course? It was my first open so....
 
You think that's bad, I heard Oi asked for a break and when he left, Deuel asks the ref if he can break the balls and play on.

....the ref said yeah sure go ahead. ...
I thought that the instructions were that a player can take a break only when it is his turn to shoot. ... Here it is in the official rules handout:

VIII. Time-Outs
... A time-out may only be taken during your inning or if you are breaking. ...
So my conclusion is that all three people at the table were clueless.
 
Does anyone else think Ken looks like Don Knotts, the great comedian? I never realized that until just now watching him on the stream. They could be brothers! :thumbup:

For you under 40 crowd:
 

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Well.........

I have a hard time picturing Corey ever being clueless on any thing to do with pool and find it interesting that he even asked the ref if he could continue shooting when his opponent had left the room.

Maybe he was though. One thing is obvious to me, there were a few things that happened with the refs that should not have happened in a premier pool event.

Being a ref in a pool game looks like a thankless job to me and the only thing worse would be being a commentator during a pool game.
 
You think that's bad, I heard Oi asked for a break and when he left, Deuel asks the ref if he can break the balls and play on.

....the ref said yeah sure go ahead. Oi comes back he's looking at an opened rack and a long shot on the two ball.

Here's another one, same match. Deuel wants ref to watch the hit, tries to flag him down(ref is in a trance). It takes someone from the stands to yell out and get the refs attention to acknowledge Corey.

I'm just curious, is this par for the course? It was my first open so....


What if Corey broke and ran a few racks while Oi was gone? Can you imagine coming back from a restroom break and seeing the score had changed by 5 games in your opponents favor?
LOL
 
I have a hard time picturing Corey ever being clueless on any thing to do with pool and find it interesting that he even asked the ref if he could continue shooting when his opponent had left the room.

Maybe he was though. One thing is obvious to me, there were a few things that happened with the refs that should not have happened in a premier pool event.

Being a ref in a pool game looks like a thankless job to me and the only thing worse would be being a commentator during a pool game.

I'll tell you one thing I learned about being a ref. If you do a good job no one notices, but if you mess up everyone knows it. My goal was always the same at every event I worked on. To have a perfect record! That means no missed calls of any kind. For me that was a good tournament. If I made one mistake all week then it was only a fair event for me. Two mistakes was far too many and I can't remember having any tournaments like that the last 15-20 years I was directing them. Yes, I am proud of my record as a TD and I think most players appreciated having me out there. They didn't all like me, but I think I had their respect. I didn't play favorites and never allowed myself to be swayed by my relationship with any of them.
 
I'll tell you one thing I learned about being a ref. If you do a good job no one notices, but if you mess up everyone knows it. My goal was always the same at every event I worked on. To have a perfect record! That means no missed calls of any kind. For me that was a good tournament. If I made one mistake all week then it was only a fair event for me. Two mistakes was far too many and I can't remember having any tournaments like that the last 15-20 years I was directing them. Yes, I am proud of my record as a TD and I think most players appreciated having me out there. They didn't all like me, but I think I had their respect. I didn't play favorites and never allowed myself to be swayed by my relationship with any of them.

This is one thing I learned about having any responsibility in general, not just being a ref for an event. If a person is tasked with a responsibility, they should know how to handle it, especially at a premier, top tier event.

What it looked like to me, on the second to last day of the event, that particular ref was being retrained on what "frozen" meant when it came to racks....
 
Giving the players a copy in their native language seems like it would be automatic for a tournament which draws so many top players from around the world.

Is this the same Ko who had a problem in an earlier match when the referee wouldn't give a re-rack?

Ha, no way. Who's going to translate into 20 languages? Those foreign players probably speak English better than some of the American players.

What if they put the rules on their FB page?
Then it would be translated when the players look at it from their account right?
I have a friend who posts in another language and it gets translated for me.
 
I'm still trying to figure out whether Schuman got it right or if he just pulled a rule out of thin air.

In a previous match someone reported Ko asked the referee for a re-rack but was refused while the opponent was given a re-rack.
 
I'm still trying to figure out whether Schuman got it right or if he just pulled a rule out of thin air.

In a previous match someone reported Ko asked the referee for a re-rack but was refused while the opponent was given a re-rack.

Al;

I posted this thread trying to determine the same; whether Ken made a mistake in not letting Little Ko use his special short-range jump cue based on an outdated rule that limited the # of cues a player can use per match.

Still don't have the answer. :confused:

I do believe that the refs overall do a very good job and, as Jay said, people typically don't give much thought to all of the correct calls by refs but wrong calls can seem damnable.

best,
brian kc
 
This is one thing I learned about having any responsibility in general, not just being a ref for an event. If a person is tasked with a responsibility, they should know how to handle it, especially at a premier, top tier event.

What it looked like to me, on the second to last day of the event, that particular ref was being retrained on what "frozen" meant when it came to racks....

You must KNOW the rules and be able to act decisively. Otherwise they will eat you alive. :D
 
I will say this, however: On a positive note, Ken Shuman did a fantastic job in the semi-finals and finals in my opinion. Never in the way, but right there when needed. Great introduction and pre-game announcements. The shot clock being there but not strictly enforced had me a bit distracted from the way Kaci stays down on his pre-shot..... Shaw obviously didn't need it.

For my first US Open, what an experience!
 
Al;

I posted this thread trying to determine the same; whether Ken made a mistake in not letting Little Ko use his special short-range jump cue based on an outdated rule that limited the # of cues a player can use per match.

Still don't have the answer. :confused:

I do believe that the refs overall do a very good job and, as Jay said, people typically don't give much thought to all of the correct calls by refs but wrong calls can seem damnable.

best,
brian kc

You got that right, damnable enough to start a thread about it. :D
 
You got that right, damnable enough to start a thread about it. :D

for the record, I'm not looking to damn Ken Schuman, who I feel does yeoman's work at these big events.

just want to know if he missed one here with denying Ko his other jump cue.

He still gets my vote as a great ref and TD. :smile:

best,
brian kc
 
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