disgraceful is what it is!!!!

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Grady

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It's terrible that the so called World Straight Pool event in New Jersey didn't use Pat Fleming and Accu-stats. Pat has paid his dues a hundred fold and he has the best commentators, too. And this was right in his backyard in upstate NJ.
I can't bring myself to watch any of it because I know in advance how bad the commentary will be and I'm still very upset that for the second year in a row no invite for ol Grad'. In my view, it's the worst thing that could happen to pool to have Charlie Williams and the UPA gain in power and influence.
 
Snap9 said:
all you had to do was pay your entry fee and show up like everyone else
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1)you obviously don't know WHO you are commenting to.:mad:
2)you obviously don't know WHAT he is refering to.:mad:
 
actually jimmy-leggs i know who he is and which tournament he was referencing. bottom-line was sign up---pay fee----play
 
It might help to stop being so critical to the events and the people running them if you would like to be involved. There is a time when it is best to bite one's tongue. Grady, I respect your history in pool, but I can honestly say that I have not heard one positive thing about any event in the recent future. A better approach would be to try to give suggestions and ideas, not negativity.
 
o come on. Grady I salute you. If any of you have paid attention to the history of pool in the last 30+ years knows the mind and genius of grady in terms not only in how the game is and should be played but the managment of the sport. If grady were in charge things would have happened differently and my guess if for the better.
Accu stats is a tremendous asset and in this community we need to stick together. Grady has a point.
I know nothing about the tournament grady refers to but if he has a beef I am sure it is a legitmate one.

This message is not paid for by grady! LOL....
 
More nonsense

Not true. I love the DCC and the U.S. Open 9 Ball tournaments. If I could have just paid an entry fee I would have.
I knew when I posted this that the loonies would light into me. Well, go ahead somebody has to stand up against the UPA and Charlie.
 
Grady, could you please elaborate on the situation with the UPA and who got allowed into the tournament. I must admit I was very disapointed last year when I heard that accustats would not be covering the matches.
 
Hi Grady,

Check out the match, you might enjoy it. DiToro does a pretty good job with the commentary...which is optional, of course.

Thanks for the great interview you gave me at the 2000 US Open.

I hope someday to have the honor of taping one of your matches for my site.
 
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good commentary

Jorge Torres said:
Hi Grady,

Check out the match, you might enjoy it. DiToro does a pretty good job with the commentary...which is optional, of course.

Thanks for the great interview you gave me at the 200 US Open.

I hope someday to have the honor of taping one of your matches for my site.
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i agree completely, John did a great job of commentating. it is definately alot better than old poke-stroke Hopkins commentary on ESPN! he plays good, but damn it's painful watching his stroke!
 
filming matches

Jorge Torres is an amazing, and way underutilized, talent for filming matches. John Ditoro is a great announcer. These guys are just way talented and anyone wanting this type of work should consider them.
I don't have anything against Accustats, I like them, and I don't know what they are "owed".
But I know Jorge Torres and John Ditoro, and being a pool fan, I just wish I had a bundle of $$ to film match after match with these guys.:)
 
One must respect Grady's very informed point of view, but mine is that when he produces a tournament, he may dictate how the budget is spent. When Dragon Promotions produces it, they may dictate how that budget is spent.

As for the "Charlie and the UPA" comment, it is uninformed, as Charlie is not at the helm of the UPA anymore and hasn't been for quite a while now.

The greatest source of growth in men's pro pool right now is Dragon Promotions, which is producing numerous events and has recently signed on with an out of industry sponsor, a Korean car company, a landmark moment for our sport.

The handful that step up to the plate and produce events in our sport are to be encouraged and admired, not unceremoniously bashed. Each and every one of them appreciates constructive criticism, but as the entrepreneurs behind their own events, the decisions belong to them.
 
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actually jimmy-leggs i know who he is and which tournament he was referencing. bottom-line was sign up---pay fee----play
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It was invitational. So it would have to be GET INVITED, sign up, pay fee, play. :)
 
How can you seriously say it is a WORLD STRAIGHT POOL CHAMPIONSHIP but by invitation?

That is like saying, "OK folks here are the owners of the best nudey magazines in the world. You rate 'em and pick the winner. And oh yeah, Larry Flint and Hugh Hefner are not invited!" LOL

Sorry Grady, I wasn't comparing you to these 2 guys!!


Gary
 
sjm said:
One must respect Grady's very informed point of view, but mine is that when he produces a tournament, he may dictate how the budget is spent. When Dragon Promotions produces it, they may dictate how that budget is spent.

As for the "Charlie and the UPA" comment, it is uninformed, as Charlie is not at the helm of the UPA anymore and hasn't been for quite a while now.

The greatest source of growth in men's pro pool right now is Dragon Promotions, which is producing numerous events and has recently signed on with an out of industry sponsor, a Korean car company, a landmark moment for our sport.

The handful that step up to the plate and produce events in our sport are to be encouraged and admired, not unceremoniously bashed. Each and every one of them appreciates constructive criticism, but as the entrepreneurs behind their own events, the decisions belong to them.
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very well said,I could'nt agree with you more.At least Charlie is doing something for the sport, whether you agree with him or not.
 
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actually jimmy-leggs i know who he is and which tournament he was referencing. bottom-line was sign up---pay fee----play
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You are mistaken. The world championships is by invitation only. I know because I was invited. lol

Grady,

There were no plans to record any of the event this year, and there were some licensing issues between the promoter and Accu-Stats - this is not new news. The promoter reserves the rights to control his product - Randy did just that-and there was really no budget for filming this year's event - I offered to do it myself free of charge for Charlie - and my offer still stands for next year. If you will remember, I offered to do the commentary with YOU, or SJM, or Steve Lipsky. I think that would be awesome. I think that Jorge did an excellent job with one camera - at least we have some video of the event - which was the point of my volunteering all along. Besides John calling Thorston "Thurston", I enjoyed the commentary, but then again back where John and I are from we don't meet many "Thorsten's" in our travels anyways, so I can excuse it.

:p

My offer still stands to help you out if you decide to promote your own 14.1 event - I think that any exposure that 14.1 gets is worth my energy and my time. I understand your frustration, you and I have communicated privately about this matter and you know I have the utmost respect for you and all of your accomplishments. You are a priceless asset to our game and any event that you are a part of. I can only hope that others will come to realize this as well.

your friend,
Blackjack
 
Grady,

I know that it does sort of hurt that the older players are generally not invited to these invitationals, but that is just the way things work in today's society.

To get more people interested in the game, you have to put young, fresh faces out there. I don't know why, but everyone not "in the know" just prefers watching a younger person showing excellence.

And let's be totally honest. The odds are, a player over 50 is not going to win the tournament. The producers of this tournament are simply choosing young, fresh competitors who look good for the spectators, and who have a decent chance of winning.. Even the also-rans occasionally have a flash of brilliance and perform way above their normal game. Sometimes, putting an undeveloped player in this sort of environment induces them to raise their level of play significantly.. (John Schmidt, anyone? No one knew who he was before he won his first 14.1 Championship)

Grady, please try not to take it so personally. Youth conquers in the end, in all vocations. It's not fair, but that's the way it is. All older people can do is try to find their own place in the big picture, which is what you are doing by opening up your own place and planning future tournaments..

Russ
 
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Russ Chewning said:
Grady,

I know that it does sort of hurt that the older players are generally not invited to these invitationals, but that is just the way things work in today's society.

To get more people interested in the game, you have to put young, fresh faces out there. I don't know why, but everyone not "in the know" just prefers watching a younger person showing excellence.

And let's be totally honest. The odds are, a player over 50 is not going to win the tournament. The producers of this tournament are simply choosing young, fresh competitors who look good for the spectators, and who have a decent chance of winning.. Even the also-rans occasionally have a flash of brilliance and perform way above their normal game. Sometimes, putting an undeveloped player in this sort of environment induces them to raise their level of play significantly.. (John Schmidt, anyone? No one knew who he was before he won his first 14.1 Championship)

Grady, please try not to take it so personally. Youth conquers in the end, in all vocations. It's not fair, but that's the way it is. All older people can do is try to find their own place in the big picture, which is what you are doing by opening up your own place and planning future tournaments..

Russ
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A couple of facts to consider. 1. The best pool player in the world is over 50 I believe. 2. I wouldn't call John Schmidt an undeveloped player or an unknown prior to his 14.1 championship, considering the fact he was known in gambling circles long before this and he had won the RENO OPEN prior to the 14.1 championship.

Also I believe the only reason Grady didn't get invited is a personal thing with Charlie Williams (nothing to do with age).
 
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