Disgusted

Hey Tramp!

Tramp Steamer said:
I agree with Jay. That's why the game is usually played in races. To even out fortunes and missfortunes.
Do what I used to do Shane. When you get home from the pool room, slap the wife around a little and kick the crap out of the dog. You'll be feeling better in no time.
Glad I could help. :)
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Let me know when he gets out of jail for slapping the wife and kicking the dog! I want to play him some 9 ball!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
What he said. I've been a 14.1-only guy for over 10 years now. Now, when people beat me--- I'm at total peace with it because they played better.
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While I generally agree, 14.1 can be utter torture with luck.

I really hate it when a guy hammers the stack, misses, and you have no shot, no safety, and can't take a foul without getting the worst of it. It sucks to then sit down for like 20 mins or (much) more while the guy, still in rhythm, gets up and starts running balls because you couldn't perform a miracle out of dog$hit.

Luck is a part of all the games, you'll just have to sit and take it some days. I feel for ya man, it sucks.
 
ctyhntr said:
This is going to be long winded, so go grab some coffee or make some microwave popcorn.

Citing another thread here, why there are so many guests lurking than posting, we jumped on the OP and may have driven him off. He had a rant and needed to vent, instead of showering him with support and excuses, basically everyone told him to man-up.

I'm thinking, maybe create a separate forum where people can rant all they want. We can call it, Nursing Pool Rant, or NPR for short.
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Not all of us, ctyhntr. Didn't you read the part where I told him to smack his wife around a little? I thought that was constructive as hell. :)
 
I have been at tournaments were you have some very under skilled "C" player, who is able to hit their object ball with great force sending the Cue Ball round the table like a Bullet Ricocheting off a Steel plate, hitting the "9" Ball, and sinking the "9" Ball in a pocket, and wining a game or match with pure luck.[/QUOTE]cocobolo cowboy

Please let all of AZ know where this type if tournaments happen,so no members
are subject to more of the same!
 
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Tramp Steamer,

Thats the point! We're driving people away, whereas we should be nurturing. Now, Shane may never come back. He will probably turn to Billiard Digest, or go down the slippery slope of Jimbo's Army.

We could've used our vast experience to help him figure where to place the blame. Such as the APA, CTE, or not using expensive enough chalk.

Tramp Steamer said:
Not all of us, ctyhntr. Didn't you read the part where I told him to smack his wife around a little? I thought that was constructive as hell. :)
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ctyhntr said:
Tramp Steamer,

Thats the point! We're driving people away, whereas we should be nurturing. Now, Shane may never come back. He will probably turn to Billiard Digest, or go down the slippery slope of Jimbo's Army.

Come back Shane, Come back.
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You've been waiting all day to say that, haven't you? And I was your straight man. Well done, ctyhntr. :thumbup:
 
While we're waiting for Shane to get back, let's have some fun.
In the picture provided by ctyhntr, Alan Ladd (Shane) is saying goodbye to Brandon DeWilde (Billy).
What is the dog thinking? I'll go first.

"Man, I gotta shit like an adult."
 
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the roll

Kwitchyur*****in. The crap flows both ways and evens out in the long run. You sound like the kind of whining sorehead that most people avoid. Grow up.

Dave Nelson
 
JusticeNJ said:
While I generally agree, 14.1 can be utter torture with luck.

I really hate it when a guy hammers the stack, misses, and you have no shot, no safety, and can't take a foul without getting the worst of it. It sucks to then sit down for like 20 mins or (much) more while the guy, still in rhythm, gets up and starts running balls because you couldn't perform a miracle out of dog$hit.

Luck is a part of all the games, you'll just have to sit and take it some days. I feel for ya man, it sucks.
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Truer words may never have been written:thumbup:
 
My response was " I'd rather have someone respect my game " in which he took offence to.

You don't demand respect, you earn it.

Dave Nelson
 
**SHANE** said:
I'm getting so fed up with luck or roles coming into play within the course of a match.
Played this Guy yesterday a race to 9. In that race he snapped 2 nine balls, had 3 nine ball combinations, shit 2 balls in non intended pockets and got out. That's 7 unanswered games. What snapped me was his comment " I'd rather be lucky than good ". My response was " I'd rather have someone respect my game " in which he took offence to.
So I lose 9-7.
Now he's all happy cause he beat me and wants to play again. I said fine but we modify the game and see if you can win without luck.
Play call shot of your next ball in rotation, meaning always calling 1 ahead of what your shooting whether its calling the pocket or playing safe and see how good you are without luck. If you don't accomplish what u called its ball in hand.
Needless to say he left.
I'm sure others are as fed up as me.
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Your "Kidding", what do you want to change the game for he already likes it. If you feel he can't win then play the game with him anytime he wants. The best part is he will win occasionally without you having to stall. A guy like this is called "A Customer" in gambling terms. The game is close enough for him to win now and then but you will bleed him dry over time. You want a dozen guys like this around you can play.

You don't insult them or call them lucky, you make the most of it, don't try to tarnish their victory. You already lost you might as well get something out of it, like a rematch. Treated right they will come back over and over. I have beat guys like that for thousands over time. One guy I beat for about $40,000 over like 6 months. The game was always fairly close but I had about a 60 to 70% margin on him in terms wins, but also when I won it was always quite a bit more then when he won. You don't have to win every time you play someone. Allow them to enjoy their victory without being belittled.

Losing, be it on purpose or on the square is never bad for your future action.
It is no wonder most guys never make any money playing pool, they are too short sighted. You ask any of the older players on here and they will tell you they had customers they played for "YEARS" and beat for tons.
By the way, I was no big time gambler, quite the opposite I was as cautious as they come. But I knew when I could win and was not afraid to lose.
 
**SHANE** said:
I'm getting so fed up with luck or roles coming into play within the course of a match.
Played this Guy yesterday a race to 9. In that race he snapped 2 nine balls, had 3 nine ball combinations, shit 2 balls in non intended pockets and got out. That's 7 unanswered games. What snapped me was his comment " I'd rather be lucky than good ". My response was " I'd rather have someone respect my game " in which he took offence to.
So I lose 9-7.
Now he's all happy cause he beat me and wants to play again. I said fine but we modify the game and see if you can win without luck.
Play call shot of your next ball in rotation, meaning always calling 1 ahead of what your shooting whether its calling the pocket or playing safe and see how good you are without luck. If you don't accomplish what u called its ball in hand.
Needless to say he left.
I'm sure others are as fed up as me.
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Welcome to the forum. I think every one of us agrees that losing like that sucks the life right out of it. But, and I'm not trying to be a dick, when the day comes that you never win a game/set because of those things happening for you, then you have every right complain about it. As it stands right now, all of us have won and lost games and matches because of "the roll". It happens, it's part of 9-ball. Surely not the best part of it, but it is part of it. Tell you what, from this point forward, if you get a lucky roll, step away from the table and give it over to whoever you're up against. That'll give you complaining rights too. Again, not trying to be dick, just stating the facts of how rolls affect the game.

Personally, I stopped playing 9-ball at least 5 years ago and switched over to straight pool. It's not as fast paced, take a lot more thinking, and will wear your ass out, but the flook shots are far and few between and, 9 out of 10 times, the person playing better wins.
MULLY
 
JusticeNJ said:
While I generally agree, 14.1 can be utter torture with luck.

I really hate it when a guy hammers the stack, misses, and you have no shot, no safety, and can't take a foul without getting the worst of it. It sucks to then sit down for like 20 mins or (much) more while the guy, still in rhythm, gets up and starts running balls because you couldn't perform a miracle out of dog$hit.

Luck is a part of all the games, you'll just have to sit and take it some days. I feel for ya man, it sucks.
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I'm sorry, I find it difficult to imagine a straight pool player that can run balls for 20 minutes being the type of player that "hammers the rack". Also, no safety? There is always a safety, you just have to find it. As for luck, as in any other game, it evens out over time. There isn't one person on this forum, or even on this planet, that can honestly say they have NEVER gotten fortunate with a lucky roll or shitting in a ball. It doesn't happen and until it does, no one has the right to complain about it.
MULLY
 
Losing like that is annoying, but ... if it takes all that luck just to beat you 9-7, then the other guy, deep down, has to know he can't keep winning for long. And if he doesn't know that, so much the better for you.
 
mullyman said:
I'm sorry, I find it difficult to imagine a straight pool player that can run balls for 20 minutes being the type of player that "hammers the rack". Also, no safety? There is always a safety, you just have to find it. As for luck, as in any other game, it evens out over time. There isn't one person on this forum, or even on this planet, that can honestly say they have NEVER gotten fortunate with a lucky roll or shitting in a ball. It doesn't happen and until it does, no one has the right to complain about it.
MULLY
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maybe its just me, but
1.) my opponents rarely baby the rack on the breakshot, and they include people that can run 50+
2.) sometimes they miss the break ball
3.) somtimes i'm put in a spot from which I am at a severe disadvantage no matter what I do.


I have to disagree with you that there is a safety everywhere, the Miz v. Butera Maine Event from Accu-Stats is a good example.
Sometimes, shite happens and you just gotta take it.

But the point was, luck exists in all the games, some days you just gotta deal with it.
 
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Complaining about luck or rolls in pool is kinda like complaining about luck in poker. It's something that is tough to deal with when you are starting out but after a certain amount of experience(this time varies from person to person) you realize that is is out of your control and you don't even notice it one way or the other. You just play.
 
I have to think that some of the seasoned gamblers on here have got to be laughing at this situation. For them, this is ideal. Your opponent thinks he has a chance to win and should be begging to play some more. The worst thing you can do is queer this action. If you're truly the better player, you should be more than willing to keep playing and upping the ante knowing full well that his luck will eventually run dry. And then for good measure, a good hustler would fire in shots that make HIM appear to be lucky.

The luck factor may well be the reason your opponent even wants to play you at all. Why get upset over a short-term lucky streak? I couldn't imagine someone like Jack Cooney getting all disgusted over something like this. Instead, he'd take advantage and work his man into a huge trap.

(Disclaimer - none of the above is meant to advocate pool hustling. No, no, no. I'm just pointing out how some people look at the same situation - one will think it's disgusting and another will see opportunity)
 
People have been sick of luck in 9 ball for 30 years. Grady made some rules to decrease it, pros switched to ten ball to decrease it, pockets and the break box shrunk to decrease it... now you can't win on the break, can't accidentally hook someone, can't combo in something early, can't sink an uncalled ball without also making the intended shot... etc.

You agreed to play a well-known lucky game that many top pros left behind years ago. Get with the program, guy.
 
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