Do people only buy Black Boar cues to sell them on AZ?

you 2 just laughed at man of great intelligence because his cues play better than 4 POINTERS 20 years ago!! LOL BOB FRY HAS NOT BEEN OUT OF HOUSE IN 20 YEARS.! ;)


Well if you doubt the story, call Bob & ask him. As someone said to you in a different post, if you're happy great. I think Tony is an artist and he does make pool cues. I don't believe that his high art translates to good playability, but that's my opinion.

I also don't believe you can watch a guy play and build a cue to suit that style either, it's a pool cue, not a suit, but that's just my opinion also.
 
Well if you doubt the story, call Bob & ask him. As someone said to you in a different post, if you're happy great. I think Tony is an artist and he does make pool cues. I don't believe that his high art translates to good playability, but that's my opinion.

I also don't believe you can watch a guy play and build a cue to suit that style either, it's a pool cue, not a suit, but that's just my opinion also.

He puts his artwork in a already proven player


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I dont know much about B/B cues, but years and years ago, they were pretty cheap and were regarded as a great playing cue.

I think B/B's focus has been to make much more artistic cues verses playing cues. That's okay, we all don't drive Chevy's either.

My only advice that I was given was to only look at the "new logo" cues as they are good movers on the market and that the "old logo" cues were slow movers. I am not sure if either is true, but that was the advice I was given from some dealers and friends that would know.

I personally think old Josswest cues are the most undervalued cues out there, but it appears that there are alot of folks who don't agree. My advice is if you can find an old JW logo cue that is NOT a "catalog" cue, give it a close review.

Your mileage may vary.

Best of rolls to all.

Ken

Hey Ken,
You are right about the JW Cues, the problem is only that the newer Cues are slimmer in the Handle/Butt Area, plays then much more sportier ;)
If the JW where slim I would buy much as I can for the low resale value they have now.
Ralf
 
well if you doubt the story, call bob & ask him. As someone said to you in a different post, if you're happy great. I think tony is an artist and he does make pool cues. I don't believe that his high art translates to good playability, but that's my opinion.

I also don't believe you can watch a guy play and build a cue to suit that style either, it's a pool cue, not a suit, but that's just my opinion also.

all i can tell you his african boars play phenomenal! 6 pointers play good too! Terrific dead nuts accurate bite down on joint when put together as well!
 
all i can tell you his african boars play phenomenal! 6 pointers play good too! Terrific dead nuts accurate bite down on joint when put together as well!

I thought Tony uses a large screwed in maple core in his cue construction? If that is still the case, the core wood would contribute more to the hit than the sleeve, no?
 
LOL BOB FRY HAS NOT BEEN OUT OF HOUSE IN 20 YEARS.

Well if you think it's just a story you can call Bob and ask him, 410-747-7392. They should give a moniker to Boar owners like you who heave up every time someone expresses an opinion that doesn't agree with yours, you should be called Bores who own Boars. Get over yourself.:nanner:
 
Told

Ken your exactly correct in logo information.

Years ago I acquired a beautiful 6 point Boar at the SBE it has the old logo. When I showed it to Tony he informed me that the points were all recuts no veneers. I asked him if he could change the butt cap to the newer logo his ans. was. " I could that would be no problem but you would be shooting yourself in the foot " he went on to explain that his first 6 pointers had the old logos soon after he changed to the new logo with the word custom and then finally to the double Bs. He felt there were far fewer of the 6 pointers with the old logo and that in time they would be worth more due to being rarer.
That made sense to me so I kept it as is. I now own 4 six pointers 2 with the new logo and 2 with the old logo all 4 play the same and all 4 play great. I think the difference with new or old logo gets confused with 4 point vs. 6 points. There is a huge difference in playability between the two. I also was advised that if I were to purchase a 4 pointer buy the few that had no veneers they were the cues that led the 6 pointers.
 
I have owned 4 over the years, sold them all, and probably won't buy another.

The big $18K cue I had, you could see the phenolic material near the butt cap through the finish. I would be annoyed if I had that in a $500 production cue!

The plain 8 point cue I had played a damn sight better than the 18K cue which is a problem as well.

The two six pointers were nice enough, but would not make it into the top 10 players I have owned.

I think there is a good reason you can get a brand new Boar in 2 or 3 months. Compare that to Szamboti, Searing, Mobley, Showman, Tascarella, Haley, Hercek etc etc...
 
It would seem Tony not only knows how to make an intricate cue, but has a great business model, let the computer do the work for you. If each piece of inlay was cut by hand on a scroll saw, I'd understand the prices, but they are cnc'd. In all reality, the dollar is shit, the middle class is a dream and spending 8-40k for a cue is a sign of deep pockets but no sense, IMHO.
 
well if you think it's just a story you can call bob and ask him, 410-747-7392. They should give a moniker to boar owners like you who heave up every time someone expresses an opinion that doesn't agree with yours, you should be called bores who own boars. Get over yourself.:nanner:

no interest in calling bob or his cues sir. Ask your self why when one buy fry cues you lose big on secondary market like a car and boars don't! Besides who realy cares about story, nobody. Theirs lots story's on everyone. So what? Give these cues a break! Lol
 
I had a talk about this the other day.

It seems to me, that the majority of players (not collectors) that own black boars and actually play with them, acquired them before Tony's prices went through the roof.

And the majority of those cues are not ridiculously crazy with inlays, but are instead much simpler then any of Tony's recent work.

Someone mentioned Maidhof.
His is the same way. Started out as a 6 point player.
Basic. 6 points and a wrap. Then later, has some of those leafy thing rings added, and finally, he had a "fish hook" added to the butt to personally identify it as his.
And after all that, it's still a simple 6 point playing cue.
And Maidhof plays with it every day.

Tony had made him a cue before that one, with a couple of rings composed of Diamond shaped inlays, but that cue and Maidhof didn't match up. Something off with the balance or weight...I forget. But that cue was then sold to a guy that comes into the pool room, while Bob waited for Tony to make him another.
And all of this was before Tony had deals with Lucky, or whomever afterwards, at regular custom cue prices.

Same exact thing with my BB's.
All of them are pre skyrocket prices.
And that's one of the reasons they don't get played with much anymore. When one ding, dent, or scratch is going to ultimately cost you more then the cue cost you, and getting a hold of Tony is a pain in the ass, why bother?
I mean, I personally love how his cues play, but that's me. I know plenty of people who hate the way they play, and plenty of people who are hooked on all the LD shaft tech out there, who basically miss every ball they aim at when testing out a boar or other regular shafted cues anyway, so what difference does it make who likes them or not.

That being said, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of "players" that play with his new stuff, are wielding pretty simple basic cues. Nothing fancy.
I've never seen a high end super ridiculous fancy boar in the hands of someone that can actually play.
Funny how that works.
 
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Bustamante won his first title ( Bike Open ) shooting with a BB.
I think that was back in '93.
 
One thing I will say about people ripping on Tony for watching someone's game, and talking about tailoring a cue to that game.
Who was laughing? Bob Frey?
Well Frey can giggle all he wants cause fact of the matter is, Tony makes one high end cue, and it sells for more then all of Freys cue sales for a year.

Sure, Tony can be a weird egg at times. No doubt about that. But that whole laughing at him just seems kinda funny in the grand scheme of things when you look at who's cues are making boatloads of money internationally, vs someone who's claim to fame are his sneaky petes.

Tony does love a long stroke though.
You wanna see Tony get all sorts of goofy, stick him in the room with someone who plays good, who has a long effortless stroke who moves the ball with ease.
He will watch in fascination.
I personally believe that Tony believes, that his cues work better in the hands of people with strokes like that.
That's just from watching him go apesh*t over strokes like that over the years.
So his "watching" people, probably has some component of that fascination to it.
Blame Busty for that one.
 
...he went on to explain that his first 6 pointers had the old logos soon after he changed to the new logo with the word custom and then finally to the double Bs. He felt there were far fewer of the 6 pointers with the old logo and that in time they would be worth more due to being rarer.
That made sense to me so I kept it as is. I now own 4 six pointers 2 with the new logo and 2 with the old logo all 4 play the same and all 4 play great. I think the difference with new or old logo gets confused with 4 point vs. 6 points.

I wonder how many 6 pointers were made with the BB Custom logo.
Or better yet, how many 6 pointers have "the original" BB Custom logo, which was smaller then the BB Custom logo that followed.

It was explained to me that Tony quit on the original smaller size because the drill bit thingys would keep breaking.

I wonder how many of those are floating around out there.
Probably not a lot.
 
Yes, the first time ever he's beat Varner.
I remember the ESPN broadcast .
Imagine that, on ESPN. :angry:
Now, pool is lower than bass fishing.

Right.
And payouts were better 25 years ago.
And the dollar was worth way more back then as well.
 
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