Do Pro Players Cheat?

[trueblu8]

I think this has been discussed on here before (ad nauseum), but the question of whether this was technically "cheating" or not is somewhat debateable. Not to defend Earl, because I personally feel that many of the things he has done are indefensible, but the argument for him in this particular case was that, in a match with a referee, the ref, not the players, is responsible for calling the fouls. That being said...

Do I think he should have called the foul on himself? Absolutely. Do I think that many other pros, including his opponent, would have called the foul on themselves? Yes. Did I lose a lot of respect for him when I saw that? Yes. Was it cheating? It's not clear to me whether it was or not, but I can see both sides of that argument.

I do know this, though, Charlie handled it a lot better that I would have.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoaEq2-IPQ. I especially liked after Charlie won he still shook Earl's hand but then gave him that look of disgust, and dumb ass Earl's still trying to explain it away. What a jerk is right.

 

[elizabeth]

cant remember the oponent but earl strickland did it. the 5 was almost frozen to the cue ball and he was trying to kick at the 4 ball....he hit the 5 first and rolled it about an inch but the ref was behind him and didnt see the foul....earl clearly knew he fouled but said "well if the ref didnt see it?" or something like that. lost respect for the guy after i saw that....no disrespect for his tallent, just him.
Jay

I would have to say you are mistaken.First of all Earl would NEVER say well if the ref didnt see it and who did he say that to?Your post makes no sense at all.

 

[Fuji-whopper]

Here we go again.....................^^^^^

 

[elizabeth]

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoaEq2-IPQ. I especially liked after Charlie won he still shook Earl's hand but then gave him that look of disgust, and dumb ass Earl's still trying to explain it away. What a jerk is right.

In over 15 years I have never seen any pro call a foul on themseves.It sounds like all you are trying to do is bash Earl.

 

[elizabeth]

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoaEq2-IPQ. I especially liked after Charlie won he still shook Earl's hand but then gave him that look of disgust, and dumb ass Earl's still trying to explain it away. What a jerk is right.

In over 15 years I have never seen any pro call a foul on themseves.It sounds like all you are trying to do is bash Earl.

 

[Cuebacca]

Here we go again.....................^^^^^

LOL, before this thread gets too focused on this, here's the link to the 9-PAGE THREAD on Earl's Foul:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=34901

 

[suckershot]

In over 15 years I have never seen any pro call a foul on themseves.It sounds like all you are trying to do is bash Earl.

It was made sort of well-known that George Breedlove called a foul on himself in an IPT qualifier, I believe it was even the final match of said qualifier, which at the time was thought to be worth a substantial amount of money, potentially.

I am not going to get into the argument over whether people should call fouls on themselves. We already had that discussion in the other thread which I believe has been linked above.

But how noble of George to call a foul on himself.

 

[Jason Robichaud]

Is cheating harder to call on pros

This was not intended to become an Earl thread. Not necessarily looking for “should people call fouls on themselves” we all know the moral answer to that. Tristan, every sport has people that will do anything to win including cheating. Snooker is not exempt. I do find a game of snooker is played by gentlemen’s rules more than pool. I have called shirt fouls on myself playing for fun or $$ and have seen others do the same. This is the norm not the exception in snooker. I believe most pool players want an honest win and the chance at a feel good bragging right victory. I have witnessed many players show excellent sportsmanship in both pool and snooker. Cheaters are the minorities!!!

I was quite shocked though when I saw one of the top players in the world marking the table. You would think thousands of hours of practice would place them above this tactic. I haven’t had the chance to see many high level players compete and was curious why this was allowed.

The wiping of the table, pushing the finger and twisting on the rail and pushing the cue tip up to the ball marking the table…this was very disappointing for a first time pro observer. It was like I just asked a drunk to play for a beer on a local beat-up coin-op table.

 

[rackmsuckr]

In the immortal words of Earl, " the ref didn't see it".
QUOTE]

Same thing happened to me in an IPT TV match with Mike Sigel, racing to 8. It's 6-3, Mike is about to pocket a ball. The ref is standing right alongside the table and has an excellent view. Sigel rolls my only ball with his sleeve a good 2-3", I call foul, and the ref said he didn't see it!!! Yet his sponsors behind me, another 6 feet away saw it.

So, instead of 6-4, he goes on the hill 7-3. I know I probably wouldn't have won, but he didn't have to cheat to win either. When we were unscrewing, I told him he fouled and he looked away.

 

[Black-Balled]

...It was like I just asked a drunk to play for a beer on a local beat-up coin-op table.

Except that you would have been buying the beer...

 

[cueandcushion]

Okay, you've convinced me that there may be cheating at pool. Just don't try to tell me that pro wrestling is fake.

Pro wrestling is not fake, it is just fixed. Kinda like the occasional pool game with side action.

 

[Flex]

Its not cheating unless you get caught.When you are playing for money you have to expect that these things will happen.

Words of wisdom, no doubt... sheesh...

Let's see, "Its not cheating unless you get caught"... Hmmm.... change the word "cheating" to "murder" and is that sentence true?? Of course not. How about substituting the word "speeding" in there?

Getting caught has nothing to do with it.

Flex

 

[lncanada9]

pro's cheating

If you dont think that almost "ALL" of the pro's cheat all the time,,,then you are just crazy. Why do you think they win almost all the time. In the matter of cheating there is alot of different things they do. Examples: First of all..I would bet you every penny I have that 80% or more of the pro pool players are playing on DRUGS!!!!! To calm them down, kill their nerves or whatever else they seem to need to do. That for one is absolutely cheating you. And dont think that they "ALL" know how to rack the balls..lol especially the phillipenos. Why do you think they give all the medium players such big spots and all the breaks... I think that alot of the players get more respect than they deserve...especially when they are cheating everybody!!!! Thats all I got to say about that!

 

[cuejoey]

if a person has the personality to cheat it won't matter if he is a pro or not !

 

[ironman]

I would have to say you are mistaken.First of all Earl would NEVER say well if the ref didnt see it and who did he say that to?Your post makes no sense at all.

You obviously have not been around him very much.

 

[ironman]

In over 15 years I have never seen any pro call a foul on themseves.It sounds like all you are trying to do is bash Earl.

At my events alone I have seen Jermy jones, Gabe Owen, Cliff Joyner, and coorey Duel call fouls on themselves.

 

[monski]

I saw a guy breaking on a money game. Score was Hill-hill. The guy breaking noticed that his opponent was busy talking to someone else. He broke, made a ball on the break but quickly sat down (though he had a shot on the 1 ball). He looked at his opponent and looked at the table and asked, "You wanna take a shot?". His opponent made the 1 but was surprised when a foul was called. The guys answer was, "I didn't call for a push." Now, I'm not sure about the exact rules on these situations but that's a story i'd like to share.

 

[ironman]

Pro wrestling is not fake, it is just fixed. Kinda like the occasional pool game with side action.

It isn't fixed, but if you bet on the 2nd to be introduced, you will always win.

 

[BigDaddyInc.]

You obviously have not been around him very much.

Well it's just one of those deals where earl used the rules to his advantage the ref did'nt see it so the ref can't call a foul that's not earls fault. Of course ray charles could see that it was a foul but if the ref did'nt see it then thats that. I mean all earl did to try to protect himself from this guy getting ball in hand on a mickey mouse out was enforce the rules.

 

[PoolBum]

Some people like Earl consider it a shark if you say "nice shot" during his run, and to a degree he's right.

I was watching Jack Hines play a guy one time and the guy says, "nice shot" to Hines after a shot and Hines turns to the guy and says, "keep your nice shots to yourself m**her f**ker."