Did you not read the part where I said: "I know who you're speaking of."?
Put down your smart phone and pay attention.
Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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Did you not read the part where I said: "I know who you're speaking of."?
Put down your smart phone and pay attention.
While I disagree with you on aiming systems in general, and CTE in particular, it's great to have you back! This forum was getting boring without you!
You should know that I like CTE, and think very highly of Stan.
However, you (or anyone else) does not know whether or not adjustments are being made. Especially when they're being done at the subconscious level.
You can reply back if you'd like, but it'll fall on deaf ears. I'm not interested in a back and forth.
Mark's words to Landon.
"Why would I say I hate aiming systems. We ALL have some sort. If it benefits you, use it. I never said that." In reference to a previous post.
Landon said, "Mark is not a hater!"
I do not think so either...I took Landon to Mark when he was 7.....and then later I en trusted Mark to be his collegiate coach and friend and guide for 4 years....not a hater.
Thanks, Mark, for your outstanding work with the entire team, not just Landon. You never got to this level by being a hater.
Stan Shuffett
"Why would I say I hate aiming systems. We ALL have some sort. If it benefits you, use it. I never said that." In reference to a previous post.
Landon said, "Mark is not a hater!"
I do not think so either...I took Landon to Mark when he was 7.....and then later I en trusted Mark to be his collegiate coach and friend and guide for 4 years....not a hater.
Thanks, Mark, for your outstanding work with the entire team, not just Landon. You never got to this level by being a hater.
Stan Shuffett
I read this part "Then again, who's to say he's actually using it." lol
When i use cte and the shot doesn't look quite right, so i move or make a slight adjustment, i miss. Pretty simple. Trust the system
I go approximately 94.729443% by feel and about 10% like to watch em roll.
I have the same experience, but many won't believe and only like to mock, not learn.
I believe you both have that experience. I just believe the difference is conscious adjusting vs. subconscious adjusting, not adjusting vs. not adjusting.
pj
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CTE is not a psychological band-aid to cover up flaws that come out when a player is "off-the-air" mentally disturbed. That's when the worst habits come out and they did.
I'd gladly play a rematch for up to $100,000 having spent to 10k to learn the hard way what I did wrong setting that match up.
Welcome back.
You have a lot of beliefs, but not much actual doing.
No, I lost 10k because I was very upset and gave away many games due to not being calm and playing properly. I didn't take the time to aim properly using CTE and couple it with a proper stroke.
I have also won plenty using CTE in the time since, to include another $1000 last Saturday.
If there comes a time when my money is not primarily invested in my business and I have enough extra then I will make a public challenge for a lot more than 10k. If it's accepted then great and if not then no big deal.
None of that changes the fact that CTE is one aiming system that is 100% accurate. In Colin Colenso's shotmaking test and in the Dr. Dave test the top scoring shooters are all aiming system users.
I've tried a few different systems... gave them their due with an honest effort and found no substantive pot o' gold at the end any of those rainbows.
See can't play a stroke without facing east, flagellating themselves with the knotted carcasses of a thousand regulations and a shamefully filthy prayer to the pool gods. Whatever gets you by shooter.
I play edge to edge... you knpw, cuz the uhmmm EDGE of my cue ball will strike the EDGE of my object ball. Just my simple little brain making the most of what it can.
Much Love.
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See can't play a stroke without facing east, flagellating themselves with the knotted carcasses of a thousand regulations and a shamefully filthy prayer to the pool gods. Whatever gets you by shooter.
I play edge to edge... you knpw, cuz the uhmmm EDGE of my cue ball will strike the EDGE of my object ball. Just my simple little brain making the most of what it can.
Much Love.
Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
Pat, no way I can prove it to you, but I assure you it's not subconscious adjustments.
Haha... hundreds of hours to master an aiming system...
This is ludicrous, first of all...
Secondly, all that looks like to me is hundreds of hours practicing, which will probably make you shoot better..
I have looked at most of the aiming systems out of pure curiosity and they are for beginners... There are just too many changing variables to actually rely on a "system"..
As far as you backing me against anyone in FL if I learned CTE.. Thank you and that's great, but I already have played everyone in FL, on my own dime...
An aiming system won't do a thing for my game except maybe screw me up for the next 7 years..
Sorry you feel that way. Did you beat everyone in Florida on your own dime? Can you beat everyone in the world? Shane uses an aiming system so I guess he is in the beginner category. Darren Appleton uses an aiming system, another beginner.
We will just have to disagree. I can tell you though that one of my friends who is a good match for you just learned Shane's method and he started pocketing even better than he was before. Before learning Shane's method I would put him at an even bet against you and now I might think he has the edge. (of course this isn't knowing whether you have improved over the years as well)
If you ever found yourself in Kentucky and wanted to do a shot making contest against Stan I'd be willing to bet up to two thousand on Stan. Perhaps that is the only way you might start to see the power in a truly accurate method. In any event I believe in it enough to put my money where my mouth is if any shortstop or better wants to go against someone who has mastered CTE.
You miss when you consciously adjust because you are consciously overruling your subconscious which is what was actually accurately doing the calculations and adjustments and shooting by feel. In fact, a large part of why CTE likely "works" is because it occupies your conscious mind in a structured way and frees up your subconscious to be able to do what it does best which is make the necessary calculations and adjustments by feel without having as much interference from your conscious mind or at least a more structured interference that it can more easily tune out and ignore.
You have been good about being pretty scientific about most things lately but for some reason you throw all that out the window when it comes to CTE. You insist that it must find the correct aim line since you are able to make balls with it and this is flawed logic (and when this logic is used for anything else you realize how flawed it is but your bias prevents you from seeing it in relation to CTE).
Whether you are capable of understanding the proof or not (obviously not and it has proved difficult for most so you don't appear to be in the minority), CTE absolutely positively does not and cannot find the correct aim line. That is not a theory. That is not a there is only a one and a billion chance it could work. That is a it can be and already has been easily proven to be absolutely impossible for the system to find the correct aim line without adjustments you make by feel (which you are obviously doing subconsciously since you don't realize it). It generally gets you in the ball park is about it. It works for people because you make subconscious adjustments by feel and no amount of doubt of that fact will ever change that fact.
And on a side note, the reason people typically struggle with CTE at first ("you have to spend a lot of hours with before it starts working") is because they are now doing things in a way that changes the squirt/throw/swerve etc for shots compared to the way they used to do it and their subconscious hasn't developed the feel for all the changes yet and how to adjust for them.
It is also the reason why there are so many different personal variations of CTE systems that people have and they all work "perfectly" for the guy using it even though they are all different. Because it doesn't really matter what you do, your subconscious will adjust for it before long and your subconscious is what is finding the correct aim line, not the system.
I'm with PJ though. This thread is a poll about if people use an aiming system or not, not for the discussion of CTE. There is a special place reserved for CTE discussion for those who believe it is worth their time to do so and the main forum isn't it. Everyone needs to take all the CTE stuff to the aiming forum.
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Uh oh, another pro player saying aiming systems do not work
Adam is not a pro player. But even if he was so what?
I mean you don't give any credibility to the professionals that do use systems so why bother using a pro/semi-pro who says he doesn't? That criteria should be a wash in the debate if you're not willing to allow all such evidence.
Remember that you have a standing invitation to play me any time we are at the same event or at least hang out and discuss this topic on the table.
Thank you.