does anyone really care if their cues are made from illegal wood?
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Who are the good guys 10%?
You need a permit to BUY ILLEGAL WOODS ?
Who sells them? DNR ?
Do you think having PERMITS will legalize the process? If I were an illegal logger and had the money, I could just payoff the authorities to produce the necessary papers to make everything legal! That works in many countries, especially in the Philippines. Are the cue manufacturers sure that their wood and other materials are supplied LEGALLY, or are they just being "LEGALIZED" through under-the-table deals? So, do you really think that having papers can just LEGALIZE everything?
If we really want to help the environment then we have to change our LIFESTYLE. Instead of eating meat, go vegetarian/fruitarian as live stocks produce lots of ecological wastes, and even toxins, instead of releasing precious oxygen (ie, stop drinking beer and eating pizza as yeasts produce carbon dioxide). If you want to reduce global temperatures; stop industrialization & start an agricultural revolution; start walking or biking instead of using electricity or fossil-fed vehicles; limit cue collections, stop making crappy cues and start making high quality ones so that we don't have to change cues that will lead to more trading of woods! Actually, why don't we just stop playing pool since almost everything in pool has effect on the environment: the organic and inorganic parts of the pool cues, cases, tables, and accessories... Are all these made from LEGALIZED materials? Are all the things we use daily come from LEGALIZED sources and processes?
Don't blame the government, let's blame ourselves since we are part of the complex process in which we are all trying to satisfy our WANTS instead of our needs.
If we really want to help the environment then we have to change our LIFESTYLE. Instead of eating meat, go vegetarian/fruitarian as live stocks produce lots of ecological wastes, and even toxins, instead of releasing precious oxygen (ie, stop drinking beer and eating pizza as yeasts produce carbon dioxide). If you want to reduce global temperatures; stop industrialization & start an agricultural revolution; start walking or biking instead of using electricity or fossil-fed vehicles; limit cue collections, stop making crappy cues and start making high quality ones so that we don't have to change cues that will lead to more trading of woods! Actually, why don't we just stop playing pool since almost everything in pool has effect on the environment: the organic and inorganic parts of the pool cues, cases, tables, and accessories... Are all these made from LEGALIZED materials? Are all the things we use daily come from LEGALIZED sources and processes?
Don't blame the government, let's blame ourselves since we are part of the complex process in which we are all trying to satisfy our WANTS instead of our needs.
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I think most people do not care. They care if the cue is cheap and going to increase exponentially in value. They care if their friends will be jealous. They care how the cue hits. They care if they make a profit when they sell it. Most people dont care if the red veneers in the points came from slave labor or if the gold dot came from an illegal South African mine. People SAY they care..and it's horrible...and they are moral people....but they really don't. Depends on the deal.
i just going to play with cues made out of plastic lol. this thread got a little deep, some people care and some dont, i think thats how the world has been and will always be regardless of the environment/government conditions.
...I asked custom for the cues exported via mail and travel..... not DNR
as far as the DNR goes....if they sell it ...does that mean I can too...? is it still good? illegal
hey how about this...a crack head kills to feed his habit....oh wait a police man kills a man to steal money from him to feed his family....does that mean I can kill you cause I have to feed my family....illegal
most lumber yards do not have all the paper works they need also....under the table payment...then you buy and you inable...they cut more so you can buy more...do the math.....1(logger cuts)+1(you buy)= 2(cutting more wood for you to buy.)
check points...you know how they travel the wood, under the boat...... not over roads...... still illegal
and why are you trying to justify something that is illegal cause your family is hungry .....still illegal
robbing someone to feed your family....still illegal.
and if you read my previous post I only asked if people really care where there wood came from......YES or NO.....
YET you defend your crimes......how sad.
they are working in that direction from last I heard....... like buying stolen goods........but this type of cooperation might be years away. cues from other countries imported here in the US .....is illegal....philippines inlayed cues with ivory makes it here....illegal ...but I just wanted to know if people cared thats all
lol....I just wanted to know if people cared or not...but yet asking a simple question gets me attacked......man this sucks and the people from the philippines think I have no working idea how things go on there...as thowthe insult my knowledge of how things are there....look when they sell a cue for a few hundred dollars and several a month...and they drive cars and have airconditioned houses.... it becomes more than feeding their families.....
i've only had 1 cue with kamagong in it and it was obtained legally. you hardly ever see it in us made cues
no permits are allowed to be given for indangered wood/trees I know that trying to legally move raw wood out of the philippines that are indangered is illegal ..... but should you pay them off...you make the government corrupt....you are the cause. by inabling them.....come on math ...do the math...1(official says no)+1 (you bribe) +1 (they take) = 3 (YOU MADE THEM CoRRuPT) live with the consequence ..... stop making excuses...you are the reason whey they are corrupt ...you pay them off. what do you think would happen if you didn't? more math for you? are you asian/ if so I thought we were smart at math and deduction? I can atleast connect the dots..... dont belittle my knowledge..... I AM PINOY ....and to make things better there and to stop corruption there....STOP PAYING THEM TO GET YOUR WAY!!!!!
akala niyo isang cano ako na walang alam sa buhay dian? ito ang sasabihin ko sainyo....kayo mga tayo na nagbabayad sa mga officials dian ...kayo ang dahilan ng corruption....
if you cant understand this....I can do kapangpangan, cebuano, ilingo, bantayanon, and some igorot....
I did live there and still visit....by the way why attack me when I just wanted to know if people cared? is that so hard or to much to ask for...yes or no.....
Cuetec Cues and Meucci Cues are looking really good right now. Enviromentally speaking that is.
Meucci's NEW ads will stress how eco-friendly their cues are as they are made of recycled plastic bottles.
In the United States every importer is required to fill out a form detailing the origin of the woods used in the products that they are importing. This is to be in compliance with the Lacey Act which covers the use of woods on the CITIES list of endangered species.
In fact the importer can be held liable and fined if they are selling goods which contain woods that are on the endangered list and the wood is not properly documented.
Any wood that is on the endangered list cannot be used in any form of commerce whatsoever.
Woods with a lower classification are controlled as to how much of them can be used commercially.
A good example is Ramin. Twenty years ago most Asian cues were made of Ramin wood. As was most Asian furniture. The furniture demand completely wiped out forests. Consequently Ramin was placed on the endangered list and it is no longer legal to use it. Some still do but it's not legal.
Of course most knowledgeable people will ridicule the use of Ramin in pool cues but the point is that ecologically those millions of Ramin wood cues which flooded the market were contributing to the depletion of vast tracts of forest and habitats.
I do think it's a bit silly to worry about the woods used in pool cues. Honestly the world is self-regulating. Mudslides happen in places where no excess logging has occurred. Life happens.
If we screw up our planet then we die off as a species. The planet will continue to do it's thing and whatever life forms survive will thrive until they get killed by bugs or ruin their environment.
If people want to get on moral pedastals about it then you will be chasing that rabbit down the rabbit hole for a long long long time. Barely anyone lives truly "green" and in harmony with nature.
Use electricity to build your cues? You are polluting the environment. Use plastics in your cues? You are polluting the environment. Use leather tips? You don't want to know the waste produced by tanning leather. And it goes on and on and on.......
So the only way to live without harming the environment is to step all the way outside of society and go live in the woods. Otherwise you are consuming goods which are made in ways that harm the environment on some level. Goods that take from nature more than they put back.
Now that doesn't mean we should all be wasteful and uncaring. We can all alter our lives to be more responsible consumers.
At some point though we have to trust the people up the chain from us. I have to trust the cue maker to obtain his woods from a trusted and legal source. And hopefully someone won't vandalize my cue in the pool room to show their displeasure at the type of woods used.
I had an internal debate two years ago about whether to use leather or not due to the fact that leather production produces nasty waste that is hard to dispose of.
At the end of the day I decided that it's not any worse than digging up oil and turning that oil in vinyl (plastic).
Man has always tanned animal skins and this material is versatile and renewing.
So the fact is that if we want to have all the nice things that we want we have to accept that it takes not so nice ways to get them. That's the cycle of life. Luckily we consumers are removed from getting our hands dirty or we might not consume quite so much.
Find your own balance in your life.
Meucci's NEW ads will stress how eco-friendly their cues are as they are made of recycled plastic bottles.
In the United States every importer is required to fill out a form detailing the origin of the woods used in the products that they are importing. This is to be in compliance with the Lacey Act which covers the use of woods on the CITIES list of endangered species.
In fact the importer can be held liable and fined if they are selling goods which contain woods that are on the endangered list and the wood is not properly documented.
Any wood that is on the endangered list cannot be used in any form of commerce whatsoever.
Woods with a lower classification are controlled as to how much of them can be used commercially.
A good example is Ramin. Twenty years ago most Asian cues were made of Ramin wood. As was most Asian furniture. The furniture demand completely wiped out forests. Consequently Ramin was placed on the endangered list and it is no longer legal to use it. Some still do but it's not legal.
Of course most knowledgeable people will ridicule the use of Ramin in pool cues but the point is that ecologically those millions of Ramin wood cues which flooded the market were contributing to the depletion of vast tracts of forest and habitats.
I do think it's a bit silly to worry about the woods used in pool cues. Honestly the world is self-regulating. Mudslides happen in places where no excess logging has occurred. Life happens.
If we screw up our planet then we die off as a species. The planet will continue to do it's thing and whatever life forms survive will thrive until they get killed by bugs or ruin their environment.
If people want to get on moral pedastals about it then you will be chasing that rabbit down the rabbit hole for a long long long time. Barely anyone lives truly "green" and in harmony with nature.
Use electricity to build your cues? You are polluting the environment. Use plastics in your cues? You are polluting the environment. Use leather tips? You don't want to know the waste produced by tanning leather. And it goes on and on and on.......
So the only way to live without harming the environment is to step all the way outside of society and go live in the woods. Otherwise you are consuming goods which are made in ways that harm the environment on some level. Goods that take from nature more than they put back.
Now that doesn't mean we should all be wasteful and uncaring. We can all alter our lives to be more responsible consumers.
At some point though we have to trust the people up the chain from us. I have to trust the cue maker to obtain his woods from a trusted and legal source. And hopefully someone won't vandalize my cue in the pool room to show their displeasure at the type of woods used.
I had an internal debate two years ago about whether to use leather or not due to the fact that leather production produces nasty waste that is hard to dispose of.
At the end of the day I decided that it's not any worse than digging up oil and turning that oil in vinyl (plastic).
Man has always tanned animal skins and this material is versatile and renewing.
So the fact is that if we want to have all the nice things that we want we have to accept that it takes not so nice ways to get them. That's the cycle of life. Luckily we consumers are removed from getting our hands dirty or we might not consume quite so much.
Find your own balance in your life.
paying them off? is that legal? you made them corrupt..... by how? you paying them.....next please.....live with it that's why they have permitts.....but then again thats why you pay them to get what you want to get around the permits YOU would be corrupt and you made the government corrupt.
having papers without having to pay for them is legal....stop passing the money under the table.... you sir would be in the wrong ....again you make the corrupt by bribing.....stop bribing and paying.... you want things the easy way so, you corrupt them. YOUR fault.
And you seem to be a smart guy...why the long defensive reply when all I asked if people cared and nothing more? eys or no would be ok..... not you defending your ways of making corrupted official by bribing them with you money.....
kamagong also known as macascar ebony?
legally how was it imported here? if so it is illegal for that wood to be in the us if it was imported from the philippines......anyways I don't care about trying to defend a question I asked and being attacked for.....simple yes or no would have sufficed from people.......but I love kamagong to.... it is nice........:grin:
your smart like what you said....i like most of the replies you give....but why are people attacking me for asking a question? a simple yes or no would have done....but nooooo.... people cann't read and attack me and what I asked was a question not a statement....then now im on the defensive ...man this sucks.... like the reply
You know full well that this is not a simple yes or no question. You have an agenda for asking it.
Don't try the guilt trip on this forum or standing on a moral pedestal because it will get you nowhere.
Do you provide CITES documentation with your cues? Some genus of wood is illegal to use even if it is from your own land. How do we know that when you cut down a tree you didn't kill the last nesting place of an endangered bird?
Sounds to me like you want to attack your fellow Filipinos here. I very much doubt that they are sending gangs of illegal loggers out to harvest wood for pool cues. I suppose they are sending divers out to harvest the abalone as well right? I know the cue business and it's not that lucrative to be able to hire all these people for those purposes.
I also know a little bit about adopting a holier-than-thou attitude on this forum. Trust me, it won't get you very far and will affect you negatively.
Just show off your cues and you will get business. Start preaching and you will get insulted.
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i don't think it's macascar ebony. i think it's only grown in the PI.
anyone here know for sure?
Hmmm... I think I have been misinterpreted for being a wealthy illegal logger... ahihihihi 
Bro, if you want a simple "EYS OR NO" answer, I think you should have made this topic into a POLL and not ask for our opinions in the first place as indicated in the last line of the first post... just my 25 centavos
I think I have raised my point. Hence, I shall no longer reply to this post. And to those who will reply to this thread, a "YES OR NO" will suffice...
Bro, if you want a simple "EYS OR NO" answer, I think you should have made this topic into a POLL and not ask for our opinions in the first place as indicated in the last line of the first post... just my 25 centavos
I think I have raised my point. Hence, I shall no longer reply to this post. And to those who will reply to this thread, a "YES OR NO" will suffice...
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OMG!!!i will not make it long, cause i have rules that i follow in my life, well thats your opinion and your free for that..
I agree, it should be clear on the first post, just for the simple YES or NO. and My apology if i give my opinions and was not able to answer it in 1 word. and this is also my last post.
More powers to all,
--Al
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