Does taking stripes in 8b offer an advantage?

so then what about the target shooting example with an all black target vs a target with circles and a bullseye?

FACT: there is going to be a better success rate hitting closer to center using targets that have the bullseye.

I don't think it's psychological.

Not the same thing.
 
In some rule sets it is call shot in which case the numbers make things easier. When the BCA was using the reds and yellows, the game was not call shot. Here is a set of the balls: http://www.muellers.com/Casino-Pool-Ball-Set,431.html

As for the original question, if I'm shooting a long shot on the green ball from my group on a table with bad light and the ball is on the far, far end rail in shadow, I'd rather have it be the 14 than the 6. I don't use aiming reference points on the ball but I do like to see the edge.

Even in those conditions I would not have a preference. The shot is the same no matter what. If you can't see the edge of the six ball from the far away even in poor lighting I would check your prescription. I have an astigmatism in both eyes, and do not shoot with glasses and I can see the edge of any ball from nine feet away.
 
Not the same thing.

if you buy into the fact that the circles & bullseye targets will cause shooters to aim more accurately, then why reject the idea that striped balls with their additional aiming points could be doing the same?

What could cause it to work for one and not the other?

please provide a little detail.

I really do want to understand.

best,
brian kc
 
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In general, light colored balls have better contrast (to see the edges). I think that's about it. Personally I could care less which is which and I don't care for 8 ball much anyway.
 
if you are buying into the fact that the circles & bullseye targets will cause target shooters to aim more accurately, then why reject the idea that striped balls with their additional aiming reference points could be doing the same?

please provide some detail.

I really do want to understand.

best,
brian kc

When I had been playing for only a couple months, I was shooting the spot shot....
...an old timer told me to hit it where the light shines....so I asked him...
"What part of the cue ball hits it where the light shines?"

I don't think picking a spot on the object ball does you any good....it may hurt.
Every day we continually use complex calculations in everything we do....
....just walking to the table and picking up your cue is miraculous....
.....so trying to simplify knocking a pool ball into a pocket is going to retard your progress.

pt....aimless in Seattle
 
Amateurs! The whole lot of ya!

Yer supposed to always take stripes so you can say:
I've got the big balls. You've got little balls.

Didn't y'all learn anything in middle skool?
 
Amateurs! The whole lot of ya!

Yer supposed to always take stripes so you can say:
I've got the big balls. You've got little balls.

Didn't y'all learn anything in middle skool?

Indeed. that's even translatable in french too. Pool is a much naughtier sport in french :D
 
In some rule sets it is call shot in which case the numbers make things easier. When the BCA was using the reds and yellows, the game was not call shot. Here is a set of the balls: http://www.muellers.com/Casino-Pool-Ball-Set,431.html

As for the original question, if I'm shooting a long shot on the green ball from my group on a table with bad light and the ball is on the far, far end rail in shadow, I'd rather have it be the 14 than the 6. I don't use aiming reference points on the ball but I do like to see the edge.

A year or so I was playing on a 9' GC with black cloth. The lighting would have been iffy for green (a three bulb light, not four), but on black cloth it was abysmal. When shoot at the 6, 7 or 8 (worst of all) if they were along the rail at the other end of the table you couldn't see where the ball ended and the rail began.

Needless to say, I never went back there.
 
Amateurs! The whole lot of ya!

Yer supposed to always take stripes so you can say:
I've got the big balls. You've got little balls.

Didn't y'all learn anything in middle skool?

I have a girl on my league teams that takes great delight in announcing to her opponent, "you've got big balls".... in her own special way. :p
 
It should be easy to test. Grab a couple of cue balls and see if you can pocket them as easy as the regular balls.

Do not use a measles cue ball, that would seem to negate any differences there may be.
 
if you buy into the fact that the circles & bullseye targets will cause shooters to aim more accurately, then why reject the idea that striped balls with their additional aiming points could be doing the same?

What could cause it to work for one and not the other?

please provide a little detail.

I really do want to understand.

best,
brian kc

The bull's eye target is comprised of concentric circles designed to pull your eyes to the center. They will always be facing towards the shooter and will give a more segmented perception of the target which will better contrast against the sights of the rifle.

When you fire a rifle the sight is always in your field of vision. You don't even change focus if your doing it right. Crystal clear sight centered on a fuzzy target. That is where the bull's eye comes in. If you are looking at a fuzzy target, it can be hard to discern the center. If you have a series of rings to pull your eyes and sight to center it becomes much easier to find.

You do not shoot pool with sights. Nobody I know shoots pool with both the cue ball and object ball lined up in their field of vision with each other. You have to focus back and forth between the two to find your aim. When you fire you are either looking at one of the other.

The stripes on the balls as they lay on the table are in no particular geometric order with the table. If you play enough, and I'm sure you already know this, your mind already knows this geometry by rote and can pretty much align the shot by itself reference this geometry. Relying on geometric lines that are at odds with the table may only serve to obfuscate your minds natural understanding of the geometry. Meaning that instead of having concentric circles pulling your eyes towards the center or contact point, the lines may serve to pull your eyes away from where they should be aiming, having the opposite effect.

I was a thrice awarded high expert marksman in the Marine Corps,I know how to shoot a rifle very well. I would not liken an entire pool shot to firing a bullet,I would liken only the delivery of the tip to the intended contact point to firing a bullet. Now you may say that that is all a pool shot really boils down to, and you would be right, however, the aiming process of a pool shot is far more complicated than the aiming process of a rifle.

If you have taught yourself to reference the lines on the stripes in order to help yourself aim, than more power to you, and by all means keep on keeping on. I do not feel it is necessary nor is it beneficial to tell yourself that because of this fact shooting stripes is"easier".
 
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To the members who say they can shoot stripes better than solids, have you tested this? I mean really tested it, not just theorized about it?

Set up 10 different shots, marked with doughnuts. Shoot each shot 20 times, 10 with solids, 10 with stripes. Maybe alternate 1 stripe, 1 solid, as opposed to 10 solids in a row, and then 10 stripes.

Report back your results:)
 
The bull's eye target is comprised of concentric circles designed to pull your eyes to the center. They will always be facing towards the shooter and will give a more segmented perception of the target which will better contrast against the sights of the rifle.

When you fire a rifle the sight is always in your field of vision. You don't even change focus if your doing it right. Crystal clear sight centered on a fuzzy target. That is where the bull's eye comes in. If you are looking at a fuzzy target, it can be hard to discern the center. If you have a series of rings to pull your eyes and sight to center it becomes much easier to find.

You do not shoot pool with sights. Nobody I know shoots pool with both the cue ball and object ball lined up in their field of vision with each other. You have to focus back and forth between the two to find your aim. When you fire you are either looking at one of the other.

The stripes on the balls as they lay on the table are in no particular geometric order with the table. If you play enough, and I'm sure you already know this, your mind already knows this geometry by rote and can pretty much align the shot by itself reference this geometry. Relying on geometric lines that are at odds with the table may only serve to obfuscate your minds natural understanding of the geometry. Meaning that instead of having concentric circles pulling your eyes towards the center or contact point, the lines may serve to pull your eyes away from where they should be aiming, having the opposite effect.

I was a thrice awarded high expert marksman in the Marine Corps,I know how to shoot a rifle very well. I would not liken an entire pool shot to firing a bullet,I would liken only the delivery of the tip to the intended contact point to firing a bullet. Now you may say that that is all a pool shot really boils down to, and you would be right, however, the aiming process of a pool shot is far more complicated than the aiming process of a rifle.

If you have taught yourself to reference the lines on the stripes in order to help yourself aim, than more power to you, and by all means keep on keeping on. I do not feel it is necessary nor is it beneficial to tell yourself that because of this fact shooting stripes is"easier".

I like your explanation and thanks for your service. :thumbup:

As I mentioned a ways back in this thread, I am a HAMB guy and for the very most part, for me shotmaking is intuitive. There is so much nuance, as I'm sure you already know, with respect to things like distance between the cue ball and object ball, are you striking whitey centerball or not, shot speed, etc etc etc.

If I determine that I need to hit the OB 1/4" on the right side and it happens to be a stripe ball and there happens to be a feature on the ball that is exactly where I want the cb to make contact then I have an aiming point to use. Simple as that, nothing more, nothing less.

Speaking of service time, I remember when I was doing basic training at Fort Jackson, SC getting beat down daily by the drill sergeants; they made us a great offer on week 7. They told us that anyone who qualifies as an expert marksman with the M16 will get a weekend pass.

My basic training new best buddy, a young man named David Rhyne from Fayetteville, NC told me that if we both qualified expert he would have his mom and dad come get us and take us back to their home for a weekend of comfort that included his mom's famous bbq.

Imagine not starting the day with Sergeant Yearwood's boot up my behind and 'shit-on-a-shingle' served for breakfast in the mess hall.

We both did qualify expert and we lived that dream. :cool::cool::smile::cool::cool:

Also can't forget the acronym for success they taught us: B.R.A.S. Breathe Relax Aim Squeeze :wink:

What I would give for that set of eyes now. :embarrassed2:

best,
brian kc
 
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This is an interesting one for me.

I can usually sort out patterns pretty well and following a break if there is a choice, I'm always taking the easier group, basically, the one I feel provides the best chance to win. Obv, right? Where's the duh emoji?

But...

If it looks pretty even I find myself tending to go for the high balls more often because the stripes on them provides me with more aiming reference points compared with the much plainer solids.

I wonder, is this because my vision is so lousy that I tend to do this or is it a more common practice than I'm aware of?

best,
brian kc

Easy fix. Stop using aiming reference points. No need for them.

Next.

Dale
 
with the question or the practice?

I admit, Lou, it's a slow night but yes, I am serious.

an fyi, my R eye: 20/200

I have a 32" monitor on my desk and it's not because I have a little wiener. :grin-square:

best,
brian kc

You should look into a few things. Sounds like you'd be much better off with a 1080p tv as a monitor, this way you can get up to a 39-40 inch for a fraction of you monitor cost or even (as I do) use a 40" 4k tv as you monitor "if your system can handle it). There are two manufacturers that make it one that cost $240 for the 40 inch and $270 for the 50 inch.
With the 1080 you can get some rather large icons and text and with the 4k you'll get the real estate that comes with having multiple monitors on a single monitor, but I use the multiple monitors anyway, just cause I always have even before the tv.
 
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