Dominant Eye vs Cut Angle Perception

There are some world class American Billiards players on here, and I'm sure if they were brought up playing snooker since the age of 6 they would be able to make a 147 without a doubt. But I don't recall ever seeing a snooker table in any of the pool halls I've been to in the US.

Haha no I do not give lessons, and if I were to give advice it would be free of charge just for the enjoyment of helping someone progress.
 
Pidge said:
There are some world class American Billiards players on here, and I'm sure if they were brought up playing snooker since the age of 6 they would be able to make a 147 without a doubt. But I don't recall ever seeing a snooker table in any of the pool halls I've been to in the US.

Haha no I do not give lessons, and if I were to give advice it would be free of charge just for the enjoyment of helping someone progress.
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If you're ever in Los Angeles, CA, USA, go to the Hard Times for snooker tables.

"For free." a novel thought.:)
 
8onthebreak said:
The way I found out was while taking hunter safety thru DNR with my son 5 yrs ago...

You start with your hands fully extended out in front of you, as far as you can reach forward...like your holding a dinner plate out in front of you, as if you were looking at your reflection in the plate...
You focus on a small item across the room while holding your hands out in front of you...
As you are looking at the small item, you start to close your hands together...starting with the size of a dinner plate, getting smaller and smaller until you've got a hole you can barely see the small item thru, them ...start bringing your hands up to your face, while never losing sight of the small item, until your hands reach your face...the hole in your hands will be over your dominant eye at this point.
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That brought it right to the center of my nose. So, no dominant eye or both eyes dominant?
 
One thing I can tell you for sure..........

rayjay said:
That brought it right to the center of my nose. So, no dominant eye or both eyes dominant?
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With over 8,000 Perfect Aim lessons in 4 years I can honestly say that every single one of them had a dominant eye.

Just because a player can't figure it out right away doesn't mean you don't have one. Every person on the planet has a dominant eye. I can attest to that from experience. I'm not counting on a guy behind a desk to tell me if there is or isn't. I see it first hand.

In the first year of teaching Perfect aim I relied one the finger pointing and looking through a circle test to find the dominant eye. What I found was this test was only reliable for about 60% to 70% of the players. The rest just flay out flunked this test as far as correct results.

I don't know the reason for it but it is what it is.

Now I rely on the player getting down and showing them how to look right eye or left eye dominant when they are down on the shot. One way looks real good and the other looks a little cockeyed.

Once a person learns for sure which eye is dominant for sure and only then can you learn how to move your head in the correct manner to envision the shot correctly.

If a person adjusts the wrong way it just makes it worse.

I've had players that would call me because they were having trouble learning my perfect aim. It didn't seem to be working well for them.

Low and behold they thought the wrong eye was the dominant eye.

I've even had a few high profile teachers around the country think they were right eye dominant and when they called me they found out they were left eye dominant after the phone lesson.

I can help anyone find it and right over the phone. I do it for free. Just give me a call

715-563-8712 Anytime............
 
Most humans aim with two eyes.

What is important in pool is:

"is my cue stick pointing at my target?"

That's why there is only one correct position for you, and you have to find it. No one else can tell you how to see. Many instructors can help you find your personal vision center.

randyg
 
randyg said:
Most humans aim with two eyes.

What is important in pool is:

"is my cue stick pointing at my target?"

That's why there is only one correct position for you, and you have to find it. No one else can tell you how to see. Many instructors can help you find your personal vision center.
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Excellent post ... well stated, concise, and useful. To be accurate and consistent, one's vision center must be over the line of aim, regardless of which eye might be "dominant" or not.

Regards,
Dave
 
randyg said:
Most humans aim with two eyes.

What is important in pool is:

"is my cue stick pointing at my target?"

That's why there is only one correct position for you, and you have to find it. No one else can tell you how to see. Many instructors can help you find your personal vision center.

randyg
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We're living in a time where common sense isn't that common and people try to make simple things complex. randyg ALWAYS seems to have a simple reply with a common sense approach. Thank goodness for old school guys like Randy!
 
dr_dave said:
Excellent post ... well stated, concise, and useful. To be accurate and consistent, one's vision center must be over the line of aim, regardless of which eye might be "dominant" or not.

Regards,
Dave
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I agree that one must find their vision center, but this only works if your initial line of aim is correct. If you select the wrong line of aim, you're going to most likely miss.

The problem I've faced is selecting the wrong line of aim on right cut shots because I struggle with finding the correct line of aim, due to lack of concentration, bad habbits and my right eye taking over the initial aiming procedure. I've found that if I stand side on, with my left side pointing at the table, my left eye is forced into finding the line of aim and it makes both left and right cuts very consistent.

I believe once you can find the correct aim line, the next step should be to find your vision center, and the combination of the two will increase ones potting percentage and consistency.
 
Pidge said:
I agree that one must find their vision center, but this only works if your initial line of aim is correct. If you select the wrong line of aim, you're going to most likely miss.

The problem I've faced is selecting the wrong line of aim on right cut shots because I struggle with finding the correct line of aim, due to lack of concentration, bad habbits and my right eye taking over the initial aiming procedure. I've found that if I stand side on, with my left side pointing at the table, my left eye is forced into finding the line of aim and it makes both left and right cuts very consistent.

I believe once you can find the correct aim line, the next step should be to find your vision center, and the combination of the two will increase ones potting percentage and consistency.
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Now we are confusing Aiming with Alignment. Two different things.

We align to our aiming position.

Of course if one is wrong then........

randyg
 
Pidge said:
I agree that one must find their vision center, but this only works if your initial line of aim is correct. If you select the wrong line of aim, you're going to most likely miss.

The problem I've faced is selecting the wrong line of aim on right cut shots because I struggle with finding the correct line of aim, due to lack of concentration, bad habbits and my right eye taking over the initial aiming procedure. I've found that if I stand side on, with my left side pointing at the table, my left eye is forced into finding the line of aim and it makes both left and right cuts very consistent.

I believe once you can find the correct aim line, the next step should be to find your vision center, and the combination of the two will increase ones potting percentage and consistency.
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Aiming, Sighting, and Visual Alignment are all important elements. A consistent and purposeful pre-shot routine can also help pull all of these things together.

FYI, you might be interested in the following articles that deal with these topics:
“Aim, Align, Sight - Part I: Introduction and Ghost Ball Systems” (BD, June, 2011)
“Aim, Align, Sight - Part II: Visual Alignment” (BD, July, 2011)
“Aim, Align, Sight - Part III: Sighting” (BD, August, 2011)
"VEPP – Part I: Introduction and Fundamentals," (BD, April, 2012)

Enjoy,
Dave
 
I've tried. Highest score from 2 attempts is 137. Ill get back to you when I get a high enough score :)
 
Pidge said:
I've tried. Highest score from 2 attempts is 137. Ill get back to you when I get a high enough score :)
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Please post your scores (and videos if you have a camera) in the BU thread so I can add them to the list.

Now, let's return the thread back to it's important topics ... aiming, sighting, and visual alignment.

Catch you later,
Dave
 
Vision center can be pretty wide.......

Pidge said:
I agree that one must find their vision center, but this only works if your initial line of aim is correct. If you select the wrong line of aim, you're going to most likely miss.

The problem I've faced is selecting the wrong line of aim on right cut shots because I struggle with finding the correct line of aim, due to lack of concentration, bad habbits and my right eye taking over the initial aiming procedure. I've found that if I stand side on, with my left side pointing at the table, my left eye is forced into finding the line of aim and it makes both left and right cuts very consistent.

I believe once you can find the correct aim line, the next step should be to find your vision center, and the combination of the two will increase ones potting percentage and consistency.
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The vision center can be pretty wide because the non dominant eye can work like the dominant eye just slightly therefor giving you a false picture to your brain.

It's almost like aiming a gun under the right eye. Closing the right eye with the gun still under the right eye trying to shoot it with the left eye.

To mess up your aim on a pool shot it doesn't have to be that extreme.

This is why when I finally teach a player that has almost given up on trying to figure this out, they just go WOW. This is it. This is the missing link to straightening out my aim.

This is why they can't cut to the right or to the left. After they understand the problem I show them how to fix it.

Everyone needs to know this and I do the lessons for free right over the phone.

There is no reason for an instructor or a player to not know this and learn how to aim better than ever before in a short period of time.

This is the dead nutz. it's the way the eyes naturally work.

I didn't invent anything. It's just the way it is...........

And Pidge, when you learn this you can get on here and tell the world like so many other players that have learned this before you.

Good luck with the poker...............
 
genomachino said:
The vision center can be pretty wide because the non dominant eye can work like the dominant eye just slightly therefor giving you a false picture to your brain.

It's almost like aiming a gun under the right eye. Closing the right eye with the gun still under the right eye trying to shoot it with the left eye.

To mess up your aim on a pool shot it doesn't have to be that extreme.

This is why when I finally teach a player that has almost given up on trying to figure this out, they just go WOW. This is it. This is the missing link to straightening out my aim.

This is why they can't cut to the right or to the left. After they understand the problem I show them how to fix it.

Everyone needs to know this and I do the lessons for free right over the phone.

There is no reason for an instructor or a player to not know this and learn how to aim better than ever before in a short period of time.

This is the dead nutz. it's the way the eyes naturally work.

I didn't invent anything. It's just the way it is...........

And Pidge, when you learn this you can get on here and tell the world like so many other players that have learned this before you.

Good luck with the poker...............
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Thanks Gene.

I appreciate the help and advice you've given.

It turns out I might be in the US sooner than I thought. My girlfriend wants a vacation and we both thought about going to America. Naturally I want to play as much pool as I can whilst I'm there. New York seems to be the place of choice so what are the chances of you being in the New York area the last 3 weeks in July?
 
Gene,
Thank you for the free phone lesson. I agree with your training and findings. The dominant eye DOES affect visual alignment of the shot in the standing position when shooting left or right cut shots. This has NOTHING to do with aiming what Gene is teaching. It is simply how the eyes work and something that all players should be aware of when shooting a cut shot away from the dominant eye. Call Gene and he can explain to you at the table in more detail. Definitely plan on getting the DVD soon.

Earl Munson
 
Right now none but............

I never know where I'm going to end up going.

If I have a poolhall owner tell me he's got 5 to 10 lessons for me I'm off.

I'm slowed down a little after this last car accident but I'm feeling better everyday.

Looks like I might even make it to Tunica.

Tell you what though. I can teach it to you right over the phone while your at the table. have some ear pods and we're in business.

I do this Free for everyone.

If I'm not in New york at that time just give me a call.

7155638712 Good luck with your traveling.
 
Great input Mr Earl munson............

hsbilliards said:
Gene,
Thank you for the free phone lesson. I agree with your training and findings. The dominant eye DOES affect visual alignment of the shot in the standing position when shooting left or right cut shots. This has NOTHING to do with aiming what Gene is teaching. It is simply how the eyes work and something that all players should be aware of when shooting a cut shot away from the dominant eye. Call Gene and he can explain to you at the table in more detail. Definitely plan on getting the DVD soon.

Earl Munson
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I feel like a preacher trying to teach the gospel but only a few will listen or even try to apply it.

I know it's right but the problem is when one person discovered the world was round there were still people that still said it was flat for years.

I've figured this out and have been teaching it for years now. Full time only 4 years.

It is just the way that it is and in this thread they all know they can cut one way better than the other.

If I have 1000 players. 500 are right eye dominant. They all have more trouble cutting a ball especially a 1/4 cut to the left.

500 are left eye dominant and have more trouble to the right.

Now you got one guy in the whole world that has figured out how to fix the problem.

Isn't it nice earl to not only know the problem but exactly how to fix it.

No more guessing and no ,more wondering.

Thanks again Earl.

Someday when I'm gone 10 or 30 years from now, everyone will know how this works,it will be common knowledge. As it needs to be.
 
Pool is NOT natural to the human body, we were not placed on this planet to play pool

The topic of "dominant eyes" hasn't come up much in my conversations through the years, I just always agreed with the legendary golfer Bobby Jones who said "I'm not sure about the dominance of the "master eye" in golf, I just know I play better with two than I do with one."

I've tried to play with one eye...either eye and it's impossible for me so my alignment is directly behind the "line of the shot," - I look at both cue ball and object ball as I would anything else I'd naturally look at.

I align Center CB/Center OB with my body most of the time and with thinner cuts I align Center/Edge and also favor CTE when close to the object ball. This just gives my mind a consistent relationship between CB and OB...then I create the cut angle by aiming at the cue ball....less cue ball (connected to the OB) produces more cut.....very simple, very easy. I create these angles using my TIP, and it's very reliable.

When I target the cue ball, I move this target spot with my footwork. I don't like to move my cue without initiating the movement with my feet. Like all of the great games, tennis, golf, baseball, basketball, - Pool also requires footwork to aim properly.....the upper body angles can only stay consistent if the are connected to the foundation properly and the foundation of the pool stroke is the feet and the bridge hand.

"Aiming" and pocketing balls at a high level requires more than good eyesight or your cue positioned a certain way, it's about consistency in all aspect of you body alignment and stoke. Pool is NOT natural to the human body, we were not placed on this planet to play pool so the body positioning must be learned properly. Like they say in golf "if it feels right, it's probably wrong"......'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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