Dominent Eye Quiz. Answer. What is the MIDDLE?

[Woof Biscuit]

This whole thing is very confusing to me. Maybe because we are typing it on a bulletin board and not standing in front of each other talking. I would hope that your DVD is much clearer. I am legally blind in one eye so I have no doubt which one of my eyes is dominant. Maybe none of this applies to me since I only use one eye to aim.

When I shoot my cue touches the right side of my chin directly under my good eye. I have many holes in my game but shot making is not one of them. Actually, I feel that that is my strongest asset as a player. Does that make any sense???

 

[genomachino]

This is why noone should worry about a little head tilt.

Nope. I happen to play with glasses, and I make sure my glasses' top frame bar is about perpendicular to my cue I've been bitten by the tilted head syndrome before so now I'm careful.

But I think you may be onto something here: if people played with their cue sliding over their ear, their head tilted 90 degrees, then *both* their eyes would be over the cue. Genius!!

Hi there,

You just stumbled onto a good point. With your head tilted it makes the middle a little smaller therefor easier to have the eyes in the right position. But you still need to know exactly where because only 1/8 of an inch can make a world of difference.

Players with a naturally smaller middle play better naturally than the average middle. I not sure but it seems that these players eyes are a little closer together also.

A baseball player makes their middle small by looking almost out of the side of their eyes when looking at a pitch. You don't ever see one of them thinking they have to turn their head directly at the batter. This would be ackward and would serve no purpose.

Very good.

These are all things I have learned and figured out over a lifetime of thinking, playing and learning. I've figured this out in a lifetime of pool playing to try and make my own game better. Now I am trying to share it with anyone that doesn't want to just keep guessing.

Merry Christmas Geno.............

 

[genomachino]

Ball to ball is how we aim naturally......pointing the cue gets us close.

Can I get some clairification please?

1. Is the overall idea "where do you put your eyes - specifically
your dominAnt eye, in relation to the cue shaft"?

2. Do I understand you to say that you should have your dominant eye
in different positions, relative to the shaft, on different shots,
depending on the angle of the shot?

Dale

Hi there,

Your head and eyes are always in the same spot. The difference is the object ball is in a different spot. The trick is learning where this perfect spot is and trying to get your eyes in this correct spot when only looking at a small portion of the ball.

When cutting to the right and when cutting to the left. When your right eye shoots the shot or your left eye. Players don't even know which eye is shooting what. The eyes are amazing things. They do things for us that we don't even know they have done.

If we get down and aim a shot and we have a little right english on it the cue would be in a certain position.

Now lets put some left english on the same shot. You might need to shift your body to shift your english but your aim with the cue ball to object ball is pretty much the same. You might have to adjust for squirt or spin but the way you see the shot is the ball to the ball.

In your stance you line up and set up on the shot so everything is in the most correct position that you can. At this point your eyes are looking at the balls and that information is telling you where you need to put your hand, bridge and the cue. Once your there it's all balls and how well you see the aim.

If when you get down you can see your off some you can just shift your body. When you do this you just naturally move your cue. it is a coordinated effort with your eyes, mind and body.

Man has been throwing spears for thousands of years. If you were throwing a spear overhand at an object 30 feet away you would look with your eyes at the target and coordinate your body to launch this at the target. Now if you had never done this before it would help you to have someone show you the best technique just like with pool. And of course you would want to have the spear in the best posible position to start with just like a cue. Now you have to throw it. The more you throw it the more your body adjusts and you learn how to be more accurate.

Shooting pool we are just throwing the spear underhand. We need it in the best position the same way.

Your eyes appear to be in different position in relation to the object ball but if you put a ghost ball in front of any shot you are shooting you will find that your eyes are in the same exact spot on every shot only you are lined up perfectly on the ghost ball. The difference is the object ball is in a different location.

This is just the way the eyes naturally work and it can be very confusing. I understand it totally and can explain it great in a personal lesson with great results. With the video it is more difficult but with a phone call the results can be just as good.

We do point the cue in the right direction with our stance and vision on the way down but once your there it's all balls and eyes. Now if you shift your eyes you will automatically shift the cue just like you would a spear.

I hope I explained it well enough.

Good questions Merry Christmas..............

 

[genomachino]

Absolutely YES............

This whole thing is very confusing to me. Maybe because we are typing it on a bulletin board and not standing in front of each other talking. I would hope that your DVD is much clearer. I am legally blind in one eye so I have no doubt which one of my eyes is dominant. Maybe none of this applies to me since I only use one eye to aim.

When I shoot my cue touches the right side of my chin directly under my good eye. I have many holes in my game but shot making is not one of them. Actually, I feel that that is my strongest asset as a player. Does that make any sense???

Yes it does.

Some players eyes and brain are wired so they only shoot with one eye like Earl. They don't have to work with all the optical illusions that us other 2 eyed players encounter such as which eye is doing what.

I could name about 5 players that shoot with one eye and they all shoot really straight.

Good luck and Merry Christmas.....................

 

[pdcue]

Hi there,

Your head and eyes are always in the same spot. The difference is the object ball is in a different spot. The trick is learning where this perfect spot is and trying to get your eyes in this correct spot when only looking at a small portion of the ball.

When cutting to the right and when cutting to the left. When your right eye shoots the shot or your left eye. Players don't even know which eye is shooting what. The eyes are amazing things. They do things for us that we don't even know they have done.

If we get down and aim a shot and we have a little right english on it the cue would be in a certain position.

Now lets put some left english on the same shot. You might need to shift your body to shift your english but your aim with the cue ball to object ball is pretty much the same. You might have to adjust for squirt or spin but the way you see the shot is the ball to the ball.

In your stance you line up and set up on the shot so everything is in the most correct position that you can. At this point your eyes are looking at the balls and that information is telling you where you need to put your hand, bridge and the cue. Once your there it's all balls and how well you see the aim.

If when you get down you can see your off some you can just shift your body. When you do this you just naturally move your cue. it is a coordinated effort with your eyes, mind and body.

Man has been throwing spears for thousands of years. If you were throwing a spear overhand at an object 30 feet away you would look with your eyes at the target and coordinate your body to launch this at the target. Now if you had never done this before it would help you to have someone show you the best technique just like with pool. And of course you would want to have the spear in the best posible position to start with just like a cue. Now you have to throw it. The more you throw it the more your body adjusts and you learn how to be more accurate.

Shooting pool we are just throwing the spear underhand. We need it in the best position the same way.

Your eyes appear to be in different position in relation to the object ball but if you put a ghost ball in front of any shot you are shooting you will find that your eyes are in the same exact spot on every shot only you are lined up perfectly on the ghost ball. The difference is the object ball is in a different location.

This is just the way the eyes naturally work and it can be very confusing. I understand it totally and can explain it great in a personal lesson with great results. With the video it is more difficult but with a phone call the results can be just as good.

We do point the cue in the right direction with our stance and vision on the way down but once your there it's all balls and eyes. Now if you shift your eyes you will automatically shift the cue just like you would a spear.

I hope I explained it well enough.

Good questions Merry Christmas..............

"I hope I explained it well enough. "
..................................................................

IMHO - you didn't explain it at all - and I'm pretty good with language.

OK - Let's forget the spears - and the object balls and the
far distant stars.

My question was about the relative position of your dominant eye
and the shaft - does that change from shot to shot?
A simple yes or no reply ought to cover it.

You start by saying, what seems to me to be "no", then proceed to
say, again, if I'm interpreting correctly, then you shift some things???

I don't see how you can keep your head and eyes in the same spot
and then shift the cue without changing the relationship between the two.

I also think I pick up some consideration of visualizing a
contact-point-to-contact-point path for the cue ball - which is reassuring,
because that is how I taught myself to greatly improve my pocketing.

FWIW - I personally don't do ANY of this anymore - and I shoot much better.
I have "internalized" the entire process - and I strongly
suspect you have also, based on my impression of how well you play.

Dale

 

[genomachino]

Yes it does............

"I hope I explained it well enough. "
..................................................................

IMHO - you didn't explain it at all - and I'm pretty good with language.

OK - Let's forget the spears - and the object balls and the
far distant stars.

My question was about the relative position of your dominant eye
and the shaft - does that change from shot to shot?
A simple yes or no reply ought to cover it.

You start by saying, what seems to me to be "no", then proceed to
say, again, if I'm interpreting correctly, then you shift some things???

I don't see how you can keep your head and eyes in the same spot
and then shift the cue without changing the relationship between the two.

I also think I pick up some consideration of visualizing a
contact-point-to-contact-point path for the cue ball - which is reassuring,
because that is how I taught myself to greatly improve my pocketing.

FWIW - I personally don't do ANY of this anymore - and I shoot much better.
I have "internalized" the entire process - and I strongly
suspect you have also, based on my impression of how well you play.

Dale

Hi there,

Sorry I got carried away. There are 2 ways of looking at it.
One is the thought that your aim is the same on every shot. Only the object ball is in a different spot. When you figure it this way the cue will still be moving a little because of the english you need to use. The eyes would pretty much stay in the same position.

This is why I compared it to a spear only with pool we throw the spear underhand. The biggest problem with the spear or the pool shot is if you don't see things right your brain is not getting the best info that it can get. If you don't see it quite right you try to correct the shot but not even knowing how to correct it results in a twist or a jump. This is another reason that players that look at the cue ball last are usually not very successful. You are actually steering the shot right until the end of the stroke and it's not the cue that gives us that image but the balls.

The second is if you are just looking at your eyes on every shot wether it be cut shots or different angles your eyes will be in very many different positions and appear to be way left or way right of the cue depending on the shot.

Wether it's a spear ,swinging an axe, shooting a basketball your eyes send the message to your brain to coordinate your body to accomplish the task. Just like with the cue it is your physical coordination that allows you to hit the same spot consistently.

When you are cutting a quarter ball to the left your right eye will be way over to the left. No matter where the cue is. When you cut to the right your right eye will be way to the right.

Depending on the type of english you use the cue position would vary on the same exact shot though.

I'll send you a pm with the rest.

 

[Fastolfe]

I could name about 5 players that shoot with one eye and they all shoot really straight.

So if I want to improve my aim, I can either use your method (meaning I'd fly you over to Europe to teach me in person, because frankly I don't really understand what you're saying over the internet) or I can stick a hot needle in my left eye and get rid of the stereo vision problem altogether.

hmm, the agony of choice...

 

[pocketspeed]

So if I want to improve my aim, I can either use your method (meaning I'd fly you over to Europe to teach me in person, because frankly I don't really understand what you're saying over the internet) or I can stick a hot needle in my left eye and get rid of the stereo vision problem altogether.

hmm, the agony of choice...

isnt trying to follow these threads and get something out of them already like sticking a hot needle in your eye?

brian

 

[genomachino]

Please keep both eyes.

So if I want to improve my aim, I can either use your method (meaning I'd fly you over to Europe to teach me in person, because frankly I don't really understand what you're saying over the internet) or I can stick a hot needle in my left eye and get rid of the stereo vision problem altogether.

hmm, the agony of choice...

Hi there,

The best way to learn what I teach is in person of course. Then there is no misunderstanding. The next best way is from the video because a picture can say 1000 words. And then there are still some questions sometimes so I make my phone number available to everyone.

Words on paper are really hard to explain and understand sometimes. That's why they have pictures to follow when you buy something you have to put together.

What I teach can be difficult to understand sometimes but once you understand it I can guarantee it will help a ton with your aim.

Have a great day Geno...............

 

[genomachino]

What did you find...........

Thanks to additional explanation from Geno, I now know what he meant by the middle. I'll try it next time I'm at the table and I'll post the results.

Hi there,

I was just wondering if you got to play with it a little.

Talk to ya later geno.

.

 

[Fastolfe]

Okay Gene, I tried your method. I played 2 games of 14.1, one right handed and one left handed. At each shot, I tried to shift my head fractionally right and left, to find the "sweet spot". I also tried to compensate for english by moving by head in the direction of the squirt, and then the other way. Here are my results:

Trying to shift my head right and left, I found a "working zone", between my cue centered between my eyes, and 1/2" to 1" to the right, where I could play. It makes sense since I'm right eye dominant. So I played with my cue shifted more or less to the right, and playing felt awkward. But I assumed it was the inertia of being used to playing at the center, so I tried to find the best right-shifted position and pressed on. I did the same playing left-handed.

My results when playing right-handed were less than stellar, but not much worse than what I usually achieve. However, it did ruin my game left-handed: I felt as if I had to wrap around my cue a lot, so I shifted my shoulders to keep a straight stroke and in the end, my position was just no good at all. My best break left-handed was 3 points

As for compensating my aim for squirt, I tried to shift this and that way, but it just felt out of whack any which way.

I did that for 3 hours. I tried concentrating on my aim, then I try to adopt a new aim and concentrate on the game instead, just to be sure I wasn't forgetting to play with that all experimenting. Much as I tried, it didn't do anything for me when playing right-handed, and it did no good at all to my left-handed game. So unless I misunderstood what you meant with the Perfect Aim, I think I'll just keep playing centered.

 

[genomachino]

It's hard enough in person..............

Okay Gene, I tried your method. I played 2 games of 14.1, one right handed and one left handed. At each shot, I tried to shift my head fractionally right and left, to find the "sweet spot". I also tried to compensate for english by moving by head in the direction of the squirt, and then the other way. Here are my results:

Trying to shift my head right and left, I found a "working zone", between my cue centered between my eyes, and 1/2" to 1" to the right, where I could play. It makes sense since I'm right eye dominant. So I played with my cue shifted more or less to the right, and playing felt awkward. But I assumed it was the inertia of being used to playing at the center, so I tried to find the best right-shifted position and pressed on. I did the same playing left-handed.

My results when playing right-handed were less than stellar, but not much worse than what I usually achieve. However, it did ruin my game left-handed: I felt as if I had to wrap around my cue a lot, so I shifted my shoulders to keep a straight stroke and in the end, my position was just no good at all. My best break left-handed was 3 points

As for compensating my aim for squirt, I tried to shift this and that way, but it just felt out of whack any which way.

I did that for 3 hours. I tried concentrating on my aim, then I try to adopt a new aim and concentrate on the game instead, just to be sure I wasn't forgetting to play with that all experimenting. Much as I tried, it didn't do anything for me when playing right-handed, and it did no good at all to my left-handed game. So unless I misunderstood what you meant with the Perfect Aim, I think I'll just keep playing centered.

Hi there,

I appreciate your effort. It's hard enough to teach this in person. I gave 3 lessons today and all 3 players were estatic about what they learned. Then i went to Shooters in Burnsville and there was a young guy that plays alot there and really struggles. I worked with him for about 1 hour and he got really excited once he understood.

It's taken awhile to get better at understanding the best way to teach Perfect Aim. The players that I have given the personal lesson to have understood what they have learned.

Most of the players that have bought the video have learned and are on their way to becoming a better player. Some of them have to call and with a little coaching can start to understand what I am trying to teach.

I'm sure there are players out there that have gotten the video and looked at it and decided it didn't work or tried to do it wrong and gave up and never called.

I have given this whole lesson over the phone step by step and have had great results at teaching some of the players that didn't get it right away.

Just from reading your post I could see where the problem is right away.

I'm going to make you a deal. So far you have tried things and it hasn't seemed to work. It's really hard to figure Perfect Aim out from some words on the forum. I know if you could get this it would do more for your game than anything you could ever imagine.

I will send you a video at no cost. Watch the video and then call me when your at a pool table with your cell phone on speaker phone. I can help you with righty or lefty. What we're doing will not screw up anything with your game at all. I will talk you through most of the lesson so you understand it 100%.

Right now from what you have done I'm sure it sounds like a real mess.

When we get done with what you will learn I will guarantee you will think totally that this is the best thing you have ever learned since you have been playing pool.

In the near future we're going to do a Perfect Aim review. It's not all set up yet but we will be sending out 12 videos to certain members of AZ to learn the Perfect Aim system and report their results on the forum.
It will be players that we don't know but want to improve their game.

You might as well be the first one.

Send me a message here or a PM with your address and I'll get you a video as soon as possible.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Have a great day Geno............

 

[cookie man]

Hi there,

I appreciate your effort. It's hard enough to teach this in person. I gave 3 lessons today and all 3 players were estatic about what they learned. Then i went to Shooters in Burnsville and there was a young guy that plays alot there and really struggles. I worked with him for about 1 hour and he got really excited once he understood.

It's taken awhile to get better at understanding the best way to teach Perfect Aim. The players that I have given the personal lesson to have understood what they have learned.

Most of the players that have bought the video have learned and are on their way to becoming a better player. Some of them have to call and with a little coaching can start to understand what I am trying to teach.

I'm sure there are players out there that have gotten the video and looked at it and decided it didn't work or tried to do it wrong and gave up and never called.

I have given this whole lesson over the phone step by step and have had great results at teaching some of the players that didn't get it right away.

Just from reading your post I could see where the problem is right away.

I'm going to make you a deal. So far you have tried things and it hasn't seemed to work. It's really hard to figure Perfect Aim out from some words on the forum. I know if you could get this it would do more for your game than anything you could ever imagine.

I will send you a video at no cost. Watch the video and then call me when your at a pool table with your cell phone on speaker phone. I can help you with righty or lefty. What we're doing will not screw up anything with your game at all. I will talk you through most of the lesson so you understand it 100%.

Right now from what you have done I'm sure it sounds like a real mess.

When we get done with what you will learn I will guarantee you will think totally that this is the best thing you have ever learned since you have been playing pool.

In the near future we're going to do a Perfect Aim review. It's not all set up yet but we will be sending out 12 videos to certain members of AZ to learn the Perfect Aim system and report their results on the forum.
It will be players that we don't know but want to improve their game.

You might as well be the first one.

Send me a message here or a PM with your address and I'll get you a video as soon as possible.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Have a great day Geno............

This is a great offer!!!! My hats off to Gene on this one.

 

[Fastolfe]

Gene,

This is indeed a very generous offer. Something tells me I still haven't understood what Perfect Aim is about, so your offering to tutor me tells me you really might have something here and you strongly believe in it.

Okay then, here's what I'll do: I take your up on the offer, and in return I'll try to do an impartial review of your method and what it brought me (or not, I'm like St Thomas, I only believe what I see ).

From your website, I understand someone may be able to understand the method just by watching the DVD. So I propose this: I'll watch the video, then I'll try to apply the method by myself. If I still don't get it, I'll schedule a phone conversation with your from the pool hall and you explain to me what I should do to grasp the method.

If everything goes well, I should be able to understand Perfect Aim from your video and start improving. If not, just let me know how long I should try by myself without success before deciding to give you a call.

Also, you should know that I'm in Europe. So shipping the video here by snail mail will be costlier to you than shipping in the US. If you prefer, to keep costs down, you can send me a video file instead. Also, if you end up tutoring me over the phone, it'll probably be the first transatlantic pool lesson in history

What do you say? Still want to do it?

[...]
I'm going to make you a deal. So far you have tried things and it hasn't seemed to work. It's really hard to figure Perfect Aim out from some words on the forum. I know if you could get this it would do more for your game than anything you could ever imagine.

I will send you a video at no cost. Watch the video and then call me when your at a pool table with your cell phone on speaker phone. I can help you with righty or lefty. What we're doing will not screw up anything with your game at all. I will talk you through most of the lesson so you understand it 100%.

Right now from what you have done I'm sure it sounds like a real mess.

When we get done with what you will learn I will guarantee you will think totally that this is the best thing you have ever learned since you have been playing pool.

In the near future we're going to do a Perfect Aim review. It's not all set up yet but we will be sending out 12 videos to certain members of AZ to learn the Perfect Aim system and report their results on the forum.
It will be players that we don't know but want to improve their game.

You might as well be the first one.

Send me a message here or a PM with your address and I'll get you a video as soon as possible.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Have a great day

 

[genomachino]

I wouldn't want it any other way.......

Gene,

This is indeed a very generous offer. Something tells me I still haven't understood what Perfect Aim is about, so your offering to tutor me tells me you really might have something here and you strongly believe in it.

Okay then, here's what I'll do: I take your up on the offer, and in return I'll try to do an impartial review of your method and what it brought me (or not, I'm like St Thomas, I only believe what I see ).

From your website, I understand someone may be able to understand the method just by watching the DVD. So I propose this: I'll watch the video, then I'll try to apply the method by myself. If I still don't get it, I'll schedule a phone conversation with your from the pool hall and you explain to me what I should do to grasp the method.

If everything goes well, I should be able to understand Perfect Aim from your video and start improving. If not, just let me know how long I should try by myself without success before deciding to give you a call.

Also, you should know that I'm in Europe. So shipping the video here by snail mail will be costlier to you than shipping in the US. If you prefer, to keep costs down, you can send me a video file instead. Also, if you end up tutoring me over the phone, it'll probably be the first transatlantic pool lesson in history

What do you say? Still want to do it?

Hi there,

Just pm your address and I will get you the Perfect Aim video sent out immediately. I think you read my mind. What you have suggested is exactly what I had in mind.

I know you will do you best and work hard to learn and I can't wait to get the video into your hands.

Get ready to learn something that will change the way you play pool forever.

I'm excited for you and what this will do for your game.

As far as proving if Perfect Aim is the real deal. I feel like someone or anyone in the world is giving us the 7, 8 wild and the break in a race to 21. Myself or Perfect Aim or yourself. None of us can lose on this deal......

Waiting for your PM Thanks Geno...............

 

[ShootingArts]

calling Geno

Gene,

This is indeed a very generous offer. Something tells me I still haven't understood what Perfect Aim is about, so your offering to tutor me tells me you really might have something here and you strongly believe in it.

Okay then, here's what I'll do: I take your up on the offer, and in return I'll try to do an impartial review of your method and what it brought me (or not, I'm like St Thomas, I only believe what I see ).

From your website, I understand someone may be able to understand the method just by watching the DVD. So I propose this: I'll watch the video, then I'll try to apply the method by myself. If I still don't get it, I'll schedule a phone conversation with your from the pool hall and you explain to me what I should do to grasp the method.

If everything goes well, I should be able to understand Perfect Aim from your video and start improving. If not, just let me know how long I should try by myself without success before deciding to give you a call.

Also, you should know that I'm in Europe. So shipping the video here by snail mail will be costlier to you than shipping in the US. If you prefer, to keep costs down, you can send me a video file instead. Also, if you end up tutoring me over the phone, it'll probably be the first transatlantic pool lesson in history

What do you say? Still want to do it?

Just a suggestion, I think you should try it on your own but then give Gene a shout regardless of how Perfect Aim is working for you and verify you are doing things correctly or get corrections in order to give the most accurate possible review. I notice that it is pretty easy for people to get totally different things from the same material. You may or may not have full understanding on your own.

Of course if you are pretty sure you understand everything on the DVD you might try an e-mail to confirm before calling, no sense spending too much of Geno's money on the transatlantic rates. :grin:

Hu

 

[LAMas]

Back in the day, many good pool players had a stand up stance as opposed to putting their chin down to their cue, thus they didn't align their dominant eye directly above their cue - perhaps more toward the "middle"?

 

[pdcue]

Back in the day, many good pool players had a stand up stance as opposed to putting their chin down to their cue, thus they didn't align their dominant eye directly above their cue - perhaps more toward the "middle"?

Not to argue - but there is no reason why you can't have your head
well above the shaft and still line up with your dominant eye
directly over the shaft. It is harder to get just right than when
you are low.

Dale

 

[genomachino]

I agree 100%

Not to argue - but there is no reason why you can't have your head
well above the shaft and still line up with your dominant eye
directly over the shaft. It is harder to get just right than when
you are low.

Dale

Hi there Dale,

The only reason I have players go down lower is sometimes they can see whats happening with the eyes. It gives them a different look. I don't mean for them to have to stay down there.

I shoot up higher and I shoot lower depending on the shot.

I agree 100%

 

[genomachino]

One eyed players...........

Back in the day, many good pool players had a stand up stance as opposed to putting their chin down to their cue, thus they didn't align their dominant eye directly above their cue - perhaps more toward the "middle"?

Hi there LAMas,

The only players that line their eye directly over the cue. I'm talking right over the shaft are the players that shoot with only one eye. These players could put a patch over one eye and it wouldn't matter. This is just the way their eyes and brain are wired.

The rest of us mortals shoot with the cue somewheres between the eyes. We are the ones that have to deal with what eye does what.

Standing up high or getting down low there are some advantages of both ways.

If anyone gets down low all the time try this. When you have a shot where the object ball is close to the cue ball and you have to cut the ball in try keeping your head up a little higher and see how much easier it is to see what your doing.

This is one shot that it is easier to see the shot up higher.

Have a great day Geno........... I am from back in the day.....