Drugs????

Do you take drugs?

  • Yes because they are fun.

    Votes: 23 14.7%
  • Yes I have a real medical reason, not an excuse

    Votes: 18 11.5%
  • No, I did but am clean

    Votes: 48 30.8%
  • No never have

    Votes: 67 42.9%

  • Total voters
    156
TX Poolnut said:

perhasp that study is right, I dont agree with the Govt much on thesee things, they want you addicted to drugs not street drugs but the drugs manufactored by the people who pay lobbiests to keep them going. Its a fix IMO.

I agree that with long term use and over use it might have an effect on a persons memory, however I never noticed that, the use of a drug is different than the abuse and the Govt. dosent awalys clairify that. They g=have an adgenda keep the drug companys good,
the pain pills I take are way worse than doing X 2-3 times a yearl hell its been over a year for me and I may never do it again, kids at raves will have some side affects.
 
This is a 1999 study comparison of data from monkeys who were given ecstasy dissolved in a liquid twice a day for just four days to other monkeys who received the same liquid without the ecstasy twice a day for four days. The study showed that the monkeys who were given ecstasy had damage to the serotonin-containing nerve cells (brain damage). This damage was still visible seven years later. Areas that were especially affected were the frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex, an area in the front part of the brain that is used in thinking, and the hippocampus, an area deep in the brain that helps with memory.

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/19/12/5096
 
worriedbeef said:
yes but alcohol isn't a drug per se; it's not in the same category as other substances. heck if you eat too many eggs it's extremely bad for you, as part of a healthy diet they are great and have many benefits. you cannot say that about a spliff. or a shot of heroin. or an ecstacy tablet. etc etc.

my point about the irony is simply that no such thing as an 'educated use' of drugs. that's like saying an educated use of decapitating yourself, or an educated use of jumping off a cliff.

Alcohol is the deadliest drug of all. Alcohol related deaths outnumber the combined total of deaths from all illicit drugs. And let's factor in all the misery that alcohol abuse leaves in its wake...alcoholism, domestic violence, broken marriages, child abuse, crime, traffic accidents and on and on.

You can smoke as much marijuana as you want and not die from an overdose (no one has ever died from marijuana overdose). Pound down a fifth of hard liquor and you stand a very good chance of dying.

Marijuana does not cause physical addiction, does not promote violent behavior, and is the safest psychoactive substance known to man. Now tell me why you believe marijuana should be illegal.

Hey if you don't want to smoke weed--good for you. But why do wish to impose your views on others?

Fats
 
S Fats

Marijuana can cause many of the thing that you say that alcohol does. Don't know why you think that it can't

I do agree with you about Alcohol being the worst, but that is mainly due to it being so easy for anyone to get. If Marijuana and other drugs were sold at the corner store, than their numbers would sky rocket too.

Marijuana is also physically addictive. Unless you are only talking about your average dry shwag. The higher the level of THC, the more addictive it is.
 
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TX Poolnut said:


I know people who ARE physically and mentally addicted to marijuana.
You should see how they act when they don't have their weed. Long term effects are also present. Memory loss etc.
Mood swings is the biggest side effect i have seen


I guess some study done on a controlled number of people could show otherwise. That really doesn't mean anything though.
 
BPG24 said:
S Fats

Marijuana can cause many of the thing that you say that alcohol does. Don't know why you think that it can't

I do agree with you about Alcohol being the worst, but that is mainly due to it being so easy for anyone to get. If Marijuana and other drugs were sold at the corner store, than their numbers would sky rocket too.

Marijuana is also physically addictive. Unless you are only talking about your average dry shwag. The higher the level of THC, the more addictive it is.

I have smoked for 35 years. I have never been in trouble with the police, nor have I ever had problems of any kind related to my recreational use of pot. I smoke roughly a joint and a half a week of hydroponically grown White Witch, Purple Haze, or Northern Lights (all of which are top shelf strains). Sometimes I go six months or more without smoking at all. I have never, not once, felt a physical need to smoke. Independent study after study have come to the conclusion that marijuana is not physically addictive.

If you had to choose between attending one of two large festivals where one was composed of drinkers doing shots and beers (no limit on quantity of alcohol ingested) or another composed of marijuana smokers (again no limits on quantity)...which do you think would be a safer option if you are trying to avoid violent behavior?

I have never felt a desire to kick anyone's ass, argue with anyone, or engage in any anti-social behavior after smoking a joint. I can't say the same for alcohol.

Here's a few things I pulled up for purposes of this discussion:

1. "Most teens who use alcohol, cigarettes and marijuana do so before they are 14. Among teens who have tried alcohol, tobacco or marijuana, the average age of first use is a little more than 12 for alcohol, 12? for cigarettes, and 13 years 11 months for marijuana."

Source: QEV Analytics, "National Survey of American Attitudes on Substance Abuse VIII: Teens and Parents" (New York, NY: National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University, August 2003), p. 2.


2. Even after controlling for other factors (e.g., age, gender, family structure, income, past month marijuana use, etc.), there is "a relationship between past month alcohol use and emotional and behavioral problems. The relationships were particularly strong among heavy and binge alcohol use and delinquent, aggressive, and criminal behaviors."

Source: Greenblatt, Janet C., US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Patterns of Alcohol Use Among Adolescents and Associations with Emotional and Behavioral Problems (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, March 2000), p. 9.

3. (2000): "The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435,000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85,000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death were microbial agents (75,000), toxic agents (55,000), motor vehicle crashes (43,000), incidents involving firearms (29,000), sexual behaviors (20,000), and illicit use of drugs (17,000)."

(Note: According to a correction published by the Journal on Jan. 19, 2005, "On page 1240, in Table 2, '400,000 (16.6)' deaths for 'poor diet and physical inactivity' in 2000 should be '365,000 (15.2).' A dagger symbol should be added to 'alcohol consumption' in the body of the table and a dagger footnote should be added with 'in 1990 data, deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in alcohol consumption deaths, but not in motor vehicle deaths. In 2000 data, 16,653 deaths from alcohol-related crashes are included in both alcohol consumption and motor vehicle death categories."

Source: Mokdad, Ali H., PhD, James S. Marks, MD, MPH, Donna F. Stroup, PhD, MSc, Julie L. Gerberding, MD, MPH, "Actual Causes of Death in the United States, 2000," Journal of the American Medical Association, March 10, 2004, Vol. 291, No. 10, pp. 1238, 1241.

Source: Journal of the American Medical Association, Jan. 19, 2005, Vol. 293, No. 3, p. 298.)

4. An exhaustive search of the literature finds no credible reports of deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death.

Source: Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), available on the web at http://www.samhsa.gov/; also see Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at http://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57.

5. The World Health Organization released a study in March 1998 that states: "there are good reasons for saying that [the risks from cannabis] would be unlikely to seriously [compare to] the public health risks of alcohol and tobacco even if as many people used cannabis as now drink alcohol or smoke tobacco."

Source: Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995, (contained in original version, but deleted from official version) (Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).


Fats
 
Fats,

I am glad that you enjoy your dope and don't have any side effects from it, but many people do. It is an addictive drug and people do get mood swings and memory loss from it. Like anything else it affects everyone differently.
I understand that the drug has many good uses and i am not against any of them.

Most Marijuana smokers I have met in my life are not like you, they can't just smoke 1 joint a week. They use the drug on a daily basis and they might be high all the time if they could afford it. They use the drug to block out reality.

Also unlike you some of them do get violent when it is in their system on a regular basis. It also causes some people to have panic attacks. Like I said everyone is different.
 
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only reason i see to try or use drugs is to see things from a completely different perspective. For alcohol, it makes me a friendlier and more outgoing purpose, some even say a funnier person. for substances such as weed, they make people look through a different lens. Sometimes it's a good lens that can give people interesting ideas(musicians sometimes get this), othertimes its a body type of high that can just make a person sluggish and not apt to do much. Either way, using drugs gives people a way to see a completely different perspective, and for that reason, i think some "soft" core drugs should be legal.
 
Black-Balled said:
So...

Where should I stand re: PCP?

Do a little research and make up your own mind. I personally wouldn't/haven't messed with it. It doesn't seem to by my cup of tea from the research I've done. I also wouldn't do heroin, but that's just me

Banger
 
Pot is OK in moderation. I haven't taken some of the other drugs but pot seems to be well tolerated by me. I've had speed in my youger days but it just gave me too much energy and I stayed awake for wayyyyyyyy to long after taking it. Sometimes as much as three days, and then CRASH. I much prefer pot.
 
Source: Wikipedia

"The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) is a United States federal-government research institute whose mission is to "lead the Nation in bringing the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction"."

A Federal Government research institute who's goal is bringing science to bear on drugs... I wonder why they never find anything positive about a drug like marijuana? Hmm. I would have to question anything they present as fact. That's just me, though. Just as I would have to question a pro-drug led research stating all drugs are perfectly okay for consumption.
 
Tommyd1 said:
Just remember AZ'ers.... Anything you say OR WRITE can used against you in a Court of Law!!!!


Tommyd1 ;)

JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR MY FRIENDS HERE :)

A word of advise.............keep your privite life to yourself. If ever your investigated for anything, the first thing law enforce will do is Goggle your name. Anything with your name will pop up :(

AMEN.
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Alot of my friends like painkillers when they shoot, probably similar to what fatboy is taking-vics, percs, oxy's- anything that ends in 'codone' or 'cet'. As far as pot, the best non pro I ever played would always smoke a fat joint before and in the middle of our game. Me, I just drink way too much.
 
I keep hearing that alot of pool players are taking ritilin and adderal for concentration and energy.
 
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