Dumping - caught

[Kris_b1104]

It's all good dude. People take this stuff far too seriously.
7 pages on this thread already. Wow.

I mean, this is kinda serious though. Way more serious than the Yapp thread.

 

[Paul Bell]

When I search Thomas Haas vs Joao on YouTube, there are 4 action matches that come up of them playing each other. And those are just the ones that were recorded. I would say all of their matches are in question.

I believe the cheating was at the April 14th game and is this one at

 

[fjk]

Two questions! Did you keep associating/playing with that buddy, and what ever happened to him?

The guy that invited him uninvited him and told him why. The cheater wasn't a friend outside of poker, so I never had any contact with him again.

While I'm not a professional poker player by any means, I have played a real lot of poker. The one thing I can say about having a cheater in the game is you can just kind of "feel" it. Over time you get a good sense of how you perform on average with the same group of guys. Before that cheater joined, I was a pretty consistent winner. On average, probably the second biggest winner with the group of guys I played with. For the time we had a cheater in the game, I was struggling to hold my own.

He was only cheating on his deal, and he was smart enough to not win too often when he dealt. If there were seven players in the game, he should be winning 1/7 of the time on his deal (or close to it). 1/7th is about 15% of the time. He was dealing himself a winner maybe 20-25% of the time. That doesn't seem like a lot, but over 6 or 7 hours it makes a big difference.

I really dislike thieves. What those two pool players did wasn't much different than breaking into someone's house (of a person they know) and stealing their belongings. I wouldn't forget or forgive anyone that did that to me, and the pool community shouldn't forget or forgive them (IMO). That match fixing wasn't a "mistake". A mistake is leaving the pool cue you borrowed in your car and having it warp...you didn't know it would warp that quickly - you made a mistake. Those two guys tried to steal from the community they are a part of; thieves that got caught showing their true colors.

 

[Black-Balled]

Hmmm, perhaps the forum has more details, how were the phone shots taken. Skeptical here...

That was addressed long ago.

 

[DieselPete]

You can deduce that from just a snippet of their text messages? Wow you'd make a great detective...on The Rookie.

I didn't deduce anything conclusively, and it isn't my job to get to the bottom of whether they did this before. I literally wrote "you decide."

I think you could decide that they did this many times. I think you could decide that they are rookie cheaters, hashing out a new scam. They don't write, "just like last time" or anything like that though.

Regardless, I will reiterate, these are the last guys I would defend.

 

[Badpenguin]

The guy that invited him uninvited him and told him why. The cheater wasn't a friend outside of poker, so I never had any contact with him again.

No, I meant, did you continuing being buddies with a guy that is willing to kill someone over a few bucks, and whatever happened to that guy?