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Hi John!

First of all, I want to wish you and yours (and our entire AZB family) a very Merry Christmas, and where that doesn't apply (religious reasons), a very happy, healthy, and safe holiday season! Seriously, from the heart.

Second, you're right -- I should've taken a deep breath before responding. Apologies for the strong words.

But let me explain from which the strong words come from:

1. John, I'm a published author. I understand the copyright laws. I also am an established information security professional (it is part of my line of work). I've acted as character witness in several cases where a published work was either stolen or purchased, then made available to the Internet at large on some of the "warez" sites. In some cases copy protection was enabled, in others it wasn't. In those cases where the author enabled copy protection, the case was pretty much a slam-dunk case. The defendant (author) won the case without much fanfare. However, in those cases where the original author did NOT enable copy protection, the case was not an open-and-shut case. The author had to prove, via archived backups of the original website content offering the material in question (backups of which had to be retrieved from Iron Mountain with certified letterhead from Iron Mountain stating that the backups had not been retrieved/tampered with prior to the extraction date from Iron Mountain's facilities) that the original website never offered the material free of charge, that it was indeed pay-for/commercial material. Because the cases also involved hacking and breach of the website's security, the cases are unfortunately closed -- otherwise I'd offer you some links to the case proceedings.

2. Your analogy, "That would be the equivalent of me not being able to have someone charged with theft because they walked into my open front door and walked away with my TV that was not bolted down" fails on several levels. First, you can't (and don't) apply physical premises security with digital security -- they are completely different animals, subject to different laws. As a professed law student, you should know that. Let's analyze why. You can leave your front door open, with a "Welcome" mat prominently displayed outside the front door, and you are *still* protected by law. The authorities would call you a numbskull for leaving your front door open, but they would still pursue any property theft to the extent you have proof that something was stolen. This is never in question, because the premises are, afterall, private property. By leaving your front door open -- "Welcome" mat displayed or not -- you are not "publishing" the contents of your premises to the world. Publishing information, on the other hand, is governed by different rules. By offering information to the public in the form of publishing media, you are indeed doing just that -- publishing it. It's no longer "private" or "confidential" information. Thus, it raises the difficulty of recovering financial losses should the information be illegally copied and distributed unless the author has taken all necessary steps to prove that the information was paid-for information at the outset.

Let me share with you a particular case I'm intimately familiar with. The defendant initially published some information in the form of a CD. For a period of time, the defendant offered the CD without any copy protection, and it was freely downloadable for a short period of time. The product included disclaimers for copyright protection, digital ownership rights, etc. The defendant's intent was to offer the product for a limited time, as an initial "loss leader" for the purposes of generating some buzz in the marketplace. The defendant later changed the download policy to a "paid-for" product. However, the product was already in the wild, being copied and distributed like wildfire. The defendant tried to enforce their "digital ownership rights" and "purchasable product" rights by pursuing some of the folks copying and distributing the media. Long story short, the defendant lost precisely because the initial media lacked any sort of copy protection. The defendant could not prove that they didn't intend for the media to be copied/distributed at the outset. Admittedly, the "gray area" offered by that "initial free download" period also put a damper on their case -- but the lack of any sort of copy protection enabled on that media absolutely killed it.

3. Let's call-out the pink elephant standing in the room. Whenever we see the phrase, "in this day and age," used in the same sentence as "downloadable," we know what that means. Even though the specific word "free" is not used, the implication is there -- it drips in buckets. I got into an argument some time back with a young twenty-something about this. He had asked me where he could get software product so-and-so for his computer. I pointed him to the vendor website, where it was readily downloadable, after he pays a nominal fee. I assumed by just pointing him to the vendor website, that would be that and all decisions are up to him. He came back to me later, and said that I must've not understood him, because he did say "downloadable." I told him that the vendor offers the software in downloadable form. We went back and forth on this, with me not understanding what he was talking about, until he took me to a computer for me to prove to him that the software was "downloadable." When we got to the page where it asks for PayPal information before it offers the download link, he goes, "Aha! See? I want to be able to 'just' download this product." Apparently, to him, "downloadble" meant FREE -- no cost. And later on, I ran into this same situation again and again. "Downloadable," "in this day and age," apparently means FREE. So whenever I see people using these two phrases in the same sentence, I know what the implication is. The sad fact of "this day and age" is that people expect information to be FREE. The whole concept of financial compensation for an information product apparently is becoming dinosaur age. The perception is that the author is "not offering value" (or diminished value) unless the information is readily available, at no cost to anyone who wants it.

I support authors who want a little something to recoup expenses for publishing the material. And shucks, perhaps that little sumthin'-sumthin' is a little more than the publishing costs themselves. What's wrong with a little capitalism to help one's business of offering that information in the first place to survive?

Anyway, I hope this helps explain a little behind-the-scenes of why I feel the way I do. I'm in Stan's shoes -- published author and all. I get it. Those that've never published anything are quick to assume the altruistic stance that "information needs and desires to be free." While this is a noble cause, it doesn't pay the bills for those offering the material in the first place.

Again, apologies for the strong words at the outset, and I sincerely wish the happiest, healthiest, and safest holiday season to all!
-Sean

Your knowledge about this is truly amazing. Your post is a sign of dedication and I am impressed by it.
Merry Christmas
 
Hi John!

First of all, I want to wish you and yours (and our entire AZB family) a very Merry Christmas, and where that doesn't apply (religious reasons), a very happy, healthy, and safe holiday season! Seriously, from the heart.

Second, you're right -- I should've taken a deep breath before responding. Apologies for the strong words.

But let me explain from which the strong words come from:

1. John, I'm a published author. I understand the copyright laws. I also am an established information security professional (it is part of my line of work). I've acted as character witness in several cases where a published work was either stolen or purchased, then made available to the Internet at large on some of the "warez" sites. In some cases copy protection was enabled, in others it wasn't. In those cases where the author enabled copy protection, the case was pretty much a slam-dunk case. The defendant (author) won the case without much fanfare. However, in those cases where the original author did NOT enable copy protection, the case was not an open-and-shut case. The author had to prove, via archived backups of the original website content offering the material in question (backups of which had to be retrieved from Iron Mountain with certified letterhead from Iron Mountain stating that the backups had not been retrieved/tampered with prior to the extraction date from Iron Mountain's facilities) that the original website never offered the material free of charge, that it was indeed pay-for/commercial material. Because the cases also involved hacking and breach of the website's security, the cases are unfortunately closed -- otherwise I'd offer you some links to the case proceedings.

2. Your analogy, "That would be the equivalent of me not being able to have someone charged with theft because they walked into my open front door and walked away with my TV that was not bolted down" fails on several levels. First, you can't (and don't) apply physical premises security with digital security -- they are completely different animals, subject to different laws. As a professed law student, you should know that. Let's analyze why. You can leave your front door open, with a "Welcome" mat prominently displayed outside the front door, and you are *still* protected by law. The authorities would call you a numbskull for leaving your front door open, but they would still pursue any property theft to the extent you have proof that something was stolen. This is never in question, because the premises are, afterall, private property. By leaving your front door open -- "Welcome" mat displayed or not -- you are not "publishing" the contents of your premises to the world. Publishing information, on the other hand, is governed by different rules. By offering information to the public in the form of publishing media, you are indeed doing just that -- publishing it. It's no longer "private" or "confidential" information. Thus, it raises the difficulty of recovering financial losses should the information be illegally copied and distributed unless the author has taken all necessary steps to prove that the information was paid-for information at the outset.

Let me share with you a particular case I'm intimately familiar with. The defendant initially published some information in the form of a CD. For a period of time, the defendant offered the CD without any copy protection, and it was freely downloadable for a short period of time. The product included disclaimers for copyright protection, digital ownership rights, etc. The defendant's intent was to offer the product for a limited time, as an initial "loss leader" for the purposes of generating some buzz in the marketplace. The defendant later changed the download policy to a "paid-for" product. However, the product was already in the wild, being copied and distributed like wildfire. The defendant tried to enforce their "digital ownership rights" and "purchasable product" rights by pursuing some of the folks copying and distributing the media. Long story short, the defendant lost precisely because the initial media lacked any sort of copy protection. The defendant could not prove that they didn't intend for the media to be copied/distributed at the outset. Admittedly, the "gray area" offered by that "initial free download" period also put a damper on their case -- but the lack of any sort of copy protection enabled on that media absolutely killed it.

3. Let's call-out the pink elephant standing in the room. Whenever we see the phrase, "in this day and age," used in the same sentence as "downloadable," we know what that means. Even though the specific word "free" is not used, the implication is there -- it drips in buckets. I got into an argument some time back with a young twenty-something about this. He had asked me where he could get software product so-and-so for his computer. I pointed him to the vendor website, where it was readily downloadable, after he pays a nominal fee. I assumed by just pointing him to the vendor website, that would be that and all decisions are up to him. He came back to me later, and said that I must've not understood him, because he did say "downloadable." I told him that the vendor offers the software in downloadable form. We went back and forth on this, with me not understanding what he was talking about, until he took me to a computer for me to prove to him that the software was "downloadable." When we got to the page where it asks for PayPal information before it offers the download link, he goes, "Aha! See? I want to be able to 'just' download this product." Apparently, to him, "downloadble" meant FREE -- no cost. And later on, I ran into this same situation again and again. "Downloadable," "in this day and age," apparently means FREE. So whenever I see people using these two phrases in the same sentence, I know what the implication is. The sad fact of "this day and age" is that people expect information to be FREE. The whole concept of financial compensation for an information product apparently is becoming dinosaur age. The perception is that the author is "not offering value" (or diminished value) unless the information is readily available, at no cost to anyone who wants it.

I support authors who want a little something to recoup expenses for publishing the material. And shucks, perhaps that little sumthin'-sumthin' is a little more than the publishing costs themselves. What's wrong with a little capitalism to help one's business of offering that information in the first place to survive?

Anyway, I hope this helps explain a little behind-the-scenes of why I feel the way I do. I'm in Stan's shoes -- published author and all. I get it. Those that've never published anything are quick to assume the altruistic stance that "information needs and desires to be free." While this is a noble cause, it doesn't pay the bills for those offering the material in the first place.

Again, apologies for the strong words at the outset, and I sincerely wish the happiest, healthiest, and safest holiday season to all!
-Sean

I understand your position. The person who allowed their digital content to be distributed at not cost has muddied the waters in their case. In that case it's not a question, to me, as to whether they enabled "copy protection" or not, but instead once they give away the content then how to prove that any person who has the content did not get it during the free period.

Don't forget that I also own intellectual property in the form of trademarks, trade dress, and copy. All three of those things have been violated and ripped off.

I also went to court to fight for my trademark when I owned the Instroke trademark and spent $50,000 on the lawsuit.

What you are referring to is negligence which makes the property owner complicit in the theft. I will grant you that in some cases this can dilute the strength of the case. But in no case does it absolve the thief as long as a an actual theft can be proven. Even a DVD without some form of electronic copy protection is still protected under the law by the fact that it's copyrighted upon creation.

As with all intellectual property the issue really is not who owns it, it's enforcing that ownership.

Anyway, this subject is getting way too deep for the thread. Here is a good starting point for anyone who wants to immerse themselves in the subject. I find it to be interesting reading. I also won a small DCMA dispute when a content owner alleged infringement and I showed that my use of the content was covered under the "Fair Use" provision allowing criticism and parody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

Right now I am just eagerly awaiting Stan's DVD.

FWIW I used my monthly submission to Pool Synergy for December




To recommend Stan's video:

 
Ah yes, where would we be without the "information needs and desires to be free" crowd? While the free distribution of information is a noble and admirable effort, it doesn't pay the bills. For those that desire to be reimbursed for their expenses, a little "sumthin'-sumthin'" is also a noble and admirable effort. For them, the "Creative Commons" license means absolutely squat -- dog poop, to be more precise.

I support Stan's effort to be reimbursed with a little "sumthin'-sumthin'." For him, the legal checkbox of due diligence is more important than whether his DVD is "physically able to be copied." The courts don't care "how easy" it is for copy protection to be bypassed. Nope, the REAL question is, "if you intended for your protected work *NOT* to be copied in the first place, did you enable the very protections available to you, free of charge, to show that you intended for your protected work not to be copied?" If yes, you enabled it. If not, you just pulled the floorboards out from under your court case to prove you didn't. The courts would say, "You 'say' you didn't initially desire for your information to be copied, but how do we know you're not 'now' trying to be opportunistic when you didn't initially leverage the very warning sign-post feature available to you free-of-charge at the outset? Is this another 'I spilled my known-hot coffee in my lap, but I want to sue somebody' opportunistically frivolous case in attempt to line my pockets?"

"Information needs and desire to be free" advocates, bite me. No, Stan would not greatly benefit from making his information free-of-charge or downloadable without cost. He would not recoup his investment, in fact. For someone in the business of instruction and wants his name carried forward (instead of being lost in nostalgic buried-in-source-code history of "oh, lest we forget, we should thank Stan Shuffett for making his information free way back in year so-and-so..." useless attribution), it's a mandatory thing.

-Sean

P.S.: oh, btw Stan -- I hope your indication that your release of this information is continued to be acknowledged by the volume of "appreciation checks" you find in your mailbox in the morning. I hope these funds come in handy, and help build your business of helping pool players become better at their craft -- a skill you yourself excel in.

"Downloadable" does not equal free. :rolleyes:
 
Yay it's finally January. Stan when you say early January like the first week or second week the DVDs will be shipped? Thx and can't wait for my copy
 
Copy protection only defeats granny or gramps. I get a new movie in the mail every day, and I copy every one, and they are all protected. These are the lastest out of Hollywood. There are programs out there, the techies all know about.
 
Copy protection only defeats granny or gramps. I get a new movie in the mail every day, and I copy every one, and they are all protected. These are the lastest out of Hollywood. There are programs out there, the techies all know about.
You should be careful about openly bragging on the Internet about breaking the law. You might end up on some sort of FBI list.

Regards,
Dave (one who doesn't like it when people illegally copy movies or instructional products and rob the Copyright owners of the payment they deserve for the time and hard work they put into creating the videos)
 
hi Stan...

i tried to use your addy for ordering: http://justcueit.com/

but upon giving my CC info it was requesting my PayPal info

i do use PayPal on occasion, but with all the PP difficulties i have seen on AZ with PP and the last being with Jay H from a year and a half ago, i am even more reluctant to use it anymore

if you have another way for payment, i would love to get a copy of your training. pls let me know

all the best,
smokey
 
hey rory...

Copy protection only defeats granny or gramps. I get a new movie in the mail every day, and I copy every one, and they are all protected. These are the lastest out of Hollywood. There are programs out there, the techies all know about.

it is not about gaining/gaming the system, it is about honor; at least for many of us

i loved jay h's book - so i bought multiple copies - i loved dr. dave's dvd's - so i bought multiple copies

i could give you many more examples

maybe i could have been a seemingly great guy sending copies to many folks, but i never did [unless i paid for them]. if you have to ask me why, i already know we have little in common

all the best,
smokey
 
DVDs are absolutely in production now. Should have shipment very soon.
Check or MO is fine.
I will have DVDs at DCC.
Again, thx for your patience!
Happy New Year to everyone!
Stan
 
You should be careful about openly bragging on the Internet about breaking the law. You might end up on some sort of FBI list.

Regards,
Dave (one who doesn't like it when people illegally copy movies or instructional products and rob the Copyright owners of the payment they deserve for the time and hard work they put into creating the videos)

Dave, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain to me how BUYING a dvd and ripping it to your computer or making a personal copy "robs the copyright owners of the payment they deserve"

It is 100% legal to make a personal copy of any media you paid for and own. Just like when you buy a CD, rip it to your computer to use on your mp3 player.

Copy protection is for those who copy and distribute which IS wrong and illegal.
 
rorywayne said:
Copy protection only defeats granny or gramps. I get a new movie in the mail every day, and I copy every one, and they are all protected. These are the lastest out of Hollywood. There are programs out there, the techies all know about.
You should be careful about openly bragging on the Internet about breaking the law. You might end up on some sort of FBI list.

Regards,
Dave (one who doesn't like it when people illegally copy movies or instructional products and rob the Copyright owners of the payment they deserve for the time and hard work they put into creating the videos)
Dave, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain to me how BUYING a dvd and ripping it to your computer or making a personal copy "robs the copyright owners of the payment they deserve"
I agree. There is nothing wrong with that, provided the copies aren't made for others (with or without payment).

It is 100% legal to make a personal copy of any media you paid for and own. Just like when you buy a CD, rip it to your computer to use on your mp3 player.
I agree 100%.

Copy protection is for those who copy and distribute which IS wrong and illegal.
IMO, rorywayne's post seemed to imply (or even encourage) "wrong and illegal" activity, but I may have read too much into the tone of his post (see the bold stuff in his quote above). If I did, rorywayne has my apology.

Regards,
Dave
 
DVDs are absolutely in production now. Should have shipment very soon.
Check or MO is fine.
I will have DVDs at DCC.
Again, thx for your patience!Happy New Year to everyone!
Stan

Stan-

Thanks for the update.

I'm reluctant to admit that I feel like a mixture of a kid waiting for Santa to arrive and the back seat kid, every 5 minutes asking 'are we there yet?'

But I am an adult. I can be patient. All good things are worth the wait.


ahhh-who am I kidding? Are we there yet????

J/k Stan-waiting for this to happen has likely been toughest on you.

Take care
 
Is it here yet ??

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Losing My Self Control. Ready to be the "Squeaky Wheel"

Am I the only one who is over-anxious to get my Pro One DVD?

The last word was that it would ship the early part of January, and there are only a couple of days till that runs out.

I've tried to stay cool and calm, but I'm feeling like a wino waiting for his welfare check.

If I knew the company that is producing the dvds, I'd probably be calling them every hour or so and asking about it.
My purpose in life would be to bug them to the point of being considered a poster child for the "Squeaky Wheel".

End of rant -- I feel much better now.
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I have tracking info and DVDs are in route to me at this time......I expect the shipment today. I will send out all orders asap. Envelopes are addressed and ready to go. So, as I text this message I am sitting in my poolroom, door open, waiting for delivery. Can't be long now......or at least that is I am thinking. Ups pulled up just this moment!!!!!ya
 
I have tracking info and DVDs are in route to me at this time......I expect the shipment today. I will send out all orders asap. Envelopes are addressed and ready to go. So, as I text this message I am sitting in my poolroom, door open, waiting for delivery. Can't be long now......or at least that is I am thinking. Ups pulled up just this moment!!!!!ya

That's fantastic news.. I'm not going to watch it though until after the DCC, I don't want to be thinking too much during the tournament matches..

I am looking forward to it though, very much!!
 
Going to watch mine an then I'll go to the DCC an WIN. Boy I know some of you pro's are shaking. :wink:
 
Stan, no offense, but 'copy protection' is a waste... you cannot stop it no matter what discmakers tells you.

Every dvd I have, the first thing I do is rip it to my computer and throw the dvd is a pile of junk. Not that I share them, I just find it easier to have everything on my computer and not a bunch of dvds.

I rip pretty much every DVD that comes into my hands, just to have a backup. I have a program that will break copy protection and even make other region DVDs playable in my region 1 player. Never fails unless the disc has bad sectors.

If you have to pay extra to get your DVDs copy-protected, I would just save the $$...
 
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