LOL There is no way Ernie puts the weight bolt in that far off center. I bet that cue rolls like one of those crazy 8 balls when checking for straightness.
JV
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LOL There is no way Ernie puts the weight bolt in that far off center. I bet that cue rolls like one of those crazy 8 balls when checking for straightness.
JV
It appears to be a perspective shift, not a bolt off center.
Cues were made to be played with and appreciated from arm's length back then. Players were the customers. There weren't such things as mass cue collecting and nit-picky buyers with 10x visors. 
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The Butt Cap doesn't look like any Phenolic material to me.
Plastic would be more prone to the type of scuffs and abrasions that you see when you enlarge that picture.
Plastic would be more prone to the type of scuffs and abrasions that you see when you enlarge that picture.
2strong4u
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Richard Black
Since I have blown my cue buying budget on the three vintage Joss cues that disappeared of Ebay I will throw you guys a bone.
It's clearly a 1978 Richard Black. If you go to Jimbo Army you can find a thread called 25 + years old cue catalogs. Dozens of vintage catalogs.
This is the web page.
http://www.jimboarmy.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1010&hilit=richard+black+catalog
It is listed on the first page cue 2 on the 1978 cues. Black used the stick rings with 6 pairs of small ebony checks. Only Szamboti did similiar rings prior and it definitely not his work.
Can't wait to get ahold of those early Joss cues. I'll post them here after refinishing.
Since I have blown my cue buying budget on the three vintage Joss cues that disappeared of Ebay I will throw you guys a bone.
It's clearly a 1978 Richard Black. If you go to Jimbo Army you can find a thread called 25 + years old cue catalogs. Dozens of vintage catalogs.
This is the web page.
http://www.jimboarmy.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1010&hilit=richard+black+catalog
It is listed on the first page cue 2 on the 1978 cues. Black used the stick rings with 6 pairs of small ebony checks. Only Szamboti did similiar rings prior and it definitely not his work.
Can't wait to get ahold of those early Joss cues. I'll post them here after refinishing.
5th post and you are throwing a bone to some of the top/collectors in the world..lol
And here's a rhetorical answer. That could be a Ginacue case as well. He made a lot of them just like that. By the way, I don't think that butt cap bolt is off center. I think it's just the perspective of the camera.
Oh you bastard! :thumbup: I was in on those and they got snapped off, I should have gone your route and gotten ahold of the buyer with a strong offer. PM me if you want to maybe split one off to help out your expenses.
2strong4u
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I can definitely do that. The one with the steel joint has black red orange red veneers and is talking to me. The dark stained one with the red orange yellow veneers and implex big pin joint is sweet too. I won't tell you what I got them for...it would only cause more pain.
The weight bolt is centered perfectly per the woman who owns the Black cue. As long as the shaft isn't too bad that a a 1200 dollar package all day. It's hard to get a great description of "pretty straight" from a non pool playing widow. All part of the hustle.
Richard may come on here and chime in but about that time he had a line of production cues. I had a bunch of them myself that I was selling. They were not signed if I remember right. You notice the prices on those cues.
About the same time Black made me a personal similar cue to the one on ebay and it was like $450.00, not cheaper like those in your link. Those prices are in line with say Palmer cues at that time. I am not sure how he was selling those cues so cheap. I really hope he come on to talk about the production Black's.
macguy...I'm sure you already know this..there were lots of "custom" cuemakers who had photo catalogs in that time period. I have a couple of Bill Stroud's first catalogs, with some compatible prices, but his top end at that time was $750. My first JW was a four ebony points over BEM that cost me $180, and came with 2 shafts & a Fellini case. Loved that cue...beat Keith for $1800 with that cue, two days after I picked it up from Bill at the tournament in Burlington IA. Cool stuff, and quite collectible.
Scott Lee
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Nothing unusual at all on those prices for that time period. For most makers (and there weren't many), a plain birdseye would go for $110 or so, and a Hoppe or regular four point would be anywhere from 140 to 160 or so. These were the good old days, when $300 got you a pretty fancy cue.
Minimum wage in 1978 was $2.65 the equivilant to $9.62 last year. Tell me what a cue should cost now. Lol, pay your employees if you want cue values to increase. A full year of work at minimum wage was 2080*$2.65= what can you buy now today for 5k that took a year of work when you were flipping burgers and making malts in college.
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1962
My thirteenth job, in 1962, was at McDonald's. When I got a raise from 90 cents an hour to a buck, I bought a custom '56 Ford with the big motor, had a decent apartment, bowled two nights a week, played pool, chased girls and had plenty of money for beer.
My thirteenth job, in 1962, was at McDonald's. When I got a raise from 90 cents an hour to a buck, I bought a custom '56 Ford with the big motor, had a decent apartment, bowled two nights a week, played pool, chased girls and had plenty of money for beer.