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What do you think John Schmidt did from here to get on his next break shot?
 

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The end state I see: The stripe ball in the rack will end up spotted on the head spot and play position for the two railer into the new rack.
 
The end state I see: The stripe ball in the rack will end up spotted on the head spot and play position for the two railer into the new rack.

No.

In observing Schmidty for over years I have never seen him use the breakshot you are describing.
 
Assuming the 5 ball is clear of the rack and the 10 goes in the side, shoot the 15 in the corner and stop for the 9 in the side...draw back a bit and cut the 10 in the side to get nice angle on 5.

If 5 isn't good, shoot 15 in corner, 5 in opposite corner and roll under the 10. You can shoot the 10 in either the side or the long corner, then go 1 or 2 rails off the 9 in the side to get to the rack.

Or maybe neither of those...

Those were just the first couple that I saw.
 
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Stripe in the right corner, then the 5 in the left, playing for the last stripe in the upper left corner to leave the cue ball high on the ball (9?) in the side to go two rails into the back of the rack?
 
Assuming the 5 ball is clear of the rack and the 10 goes in the side, shoot the 15 in the corner and stop for the 9 in the side...draw back a bit and cut the 10 in the side to get nice angle on 5.

If 5 isn't good, shoot 15 in corner, 5 in opposite corner and roll under the 10. You can shoot the 10 in either the side or the long corner, then go 1 rail off the 9 in the side to the back of the rack.

Or maybe neither of those...

Those were just the first couple that I saw.

The five isn't clear of the rack.

Neither of those, although I can see your second option having a chance of getting into the rack one or two rails (as mentioned by Dangerous Dave).

The end state I see: The stripe ball in the rack will end up spotted on the head spot and play position for the two railer into the new rack.

Nope.

Here is John shooting his first shot in this sequence.
 

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What to do?

What do you think John Schmidt did from here to get on his next break shot?

Shoot the 12, 5 then the 10 in the side (if it goes), otherwise in the top left corner and play the 9 in the side for the break shot.
 
I assumed the 10 wouldn't go in the side. Can you tell us if the 9 is the break ball? If he could leave the cue ball in the rack off a straight 5 he'd have ball in hand to play the 9 in the corner. 10 in the side, stop on the other stripe and a stop or slight draw on the 5.
 
Here is John shooting his first shot in this sequence.


Um. I would have to re-evaluate this scenario once the cueball stopped rolling after this shot. Patterns change constantly on your way through a rack.

I believe the next shot in the sequence would be the 9 either in the right side pocket or the lower right corner. Either way he is wanting to attack the stripe ball in the rack to create his break shot. If the nine is going into the corner pocket, he would have a behind the rack break. If the 9 is going into the side, he would be breaking from the left side of the table.

In either scenario, the 5 would be the key ball providing access to either location.

(thinking outside the box)
@Marop, because this happend at your place, was this a high run attempt or was this a game between JS and an opponent? We are all thinking offense. If this is not a high run attempt, I see some easy defense.
 
What to do?

What do you think John Schmidt did from here to get on his next break shot?

not sure what john would do but he likes certainties so i don't think he'll do an unnecessary heroics here. i'd take the corner pocket shot, the 9ball? in the side and draw back for that ball right next to the side pocket and come off the rail for the break-ball

well, i guess he did some "heroics". mere mortals would have probably left that 5ball low on the rack.

The five isn't clear of the rack.
dennis: i'm calling, a FOUL on you. i assumed that the 5ball was outside of the rack but low.
 
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Great Post....I Believe only John Schmidt can come up with this stuff !!!!!

anytime i try a stunt like this it ends in epic failure !


-Steve
 
Four balls left on the table, no real break ball and 30 seconds later he's perfect on a textbook break shot. I wish my 14.1 problems disappeared this quickly!

I sit here and watch this stuff happen time after time. It really pisses me off sometimes. lol
 
Four balls left on the table, no real break ball and 30 seconds later he's perfect on a textbook break shot. I wish my 14.1 problems disappeared this quickly!

He looks puzzled for about 5 seconds, figures it out and just executes.

Inhuman.
 
Both balls in the rack?
Stripe in the low right corner.
Stop to the five in the left corner.
Stop. Stripe in right side. Stop or get a fine cut on break ball in the left side.

Speed will break the rack. All shots are simple stop shots. That's as basic a runout as you can get. Schmidt's runout is great if you can pull off the bump. The pros can. I would not try that pattern because I wouldn't be 100% certain I could bump the 5 properly. You see, that's the thing, KNOW YOURSELF.
 
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