Enough is enough -- shut up or put up

[BRKNRUN]

While watching the video

I kept waiting for the voice holding the camera to go

And now, the matador shall dance with the blind shoemaker!

Ah, "Reecky Booby"! Now we shall dance...and yes, it will be a slow jam!

and of course after his buddy finally pulls of the break shot draw....he approaches the camera...I was fully expecting to hear...

Now, I've got a message for all the other drivers out there. If you smell a delicious, crispy smell after the race, it's not your tailpipe. It's just a little of Shake...and Bake!

 

[ShootingArts]

a tough crowd to please here

It's a tough crowd to please here. Had you made the eight and drawn the cue ball back for shape on the nine we would have been impressed. Since you missed the eight we are left to wonder why you didn't shoot the medium speed follow shot with perhaps a bit of english or cheating the pocket a little if needed. It seems this would have been far easier to execute from near the rail and had a much better chance of success than the much harder draw shot needed to pull the cue ball back.

When all is said and done all you posted was a miss, a miss that illustrated the point that extreme power draws are hard to control. You missed the eight and you drew the cue ball back into a high risk area where you could have easily scratched or lost shape on the nine. The shot was to make the eight and put the cue ball on the other side of the nine.

Hu

I agree, everyone needs to calm down, take a deep breath, and punch out a stuffed animal to get the agression out. I just read the last few pages and this reply, seems like people are mis-interperting things and going off the handle a bit. I mean I post my super cool draw shot and no-one even praises me because you are too busy calling each other names. Seesh.. don't make me find another forum to brag about my mad skillzz on, I want praise god-damn it! I think the title of the post can be a bit less confrontational, maybe next time just say "look, a nice draw shot, pat on back please".

 

[hang-the-9]

It's a tough crowd to please here. Had you made the eight and drawn the cue ball back for shape on the nine we would have been impressed. Since you missed the eight we are left to wonder why you didn't shoot the medium speed follow shot with perhaps a bit of english or cheating the pocket a little if needed. It seems this would have been far easier to execute from near the rail and had a much better chance of success than the much harder draw shot needed to pull the cue ball back.

When all is said and done all you posted was a miss, a miss that illustrated the point that extreme power draws are hard to control. You missed the eight and you drew the cue ball back into a high risk area where you could have easily scratched or lost shape on the nine. The shot was to make the eight and put the cue ball on the other side of the nine.

Hu

This was posted as a semi-joke, but also the fact that drawing the ball from that position to a very small area is not that easy. Even though I have a hard time with quite a few shots, I pride myself on controlling my draw shots very well. Your reply seems you took my comment a bit too serious. I have a hard time when I joke around with people as I say things without much meaning behind them (like complaining you did not notice my shot), it's a bit tough to come across like you want to when typing.

If you knew how tight the pockets play there, there is no "cheating the pocket" It was either to the pocket or back, I may have put the angle in a bit off in the diagram, but the shot was straight on. And before you make fun of my shape for the 8, that was my opponents miss I took over.

 

[bumpypickle]

I'd bet all day against you putting up a good rep at 300 lbs, unless there's some camera trick going on and it's just an optical illusion making it look like you've got 13-inch arms and haven't seen a gym in a few years. A guy your height needs a LOT of tricep to put up that weight, and I don't see it on that video.

-Andrew

You hurt bumpypickles feelings. In fact Bumpypickle doesn't have triceps. Bumpypickle is also very afraid of optical illusions.

 

[ShootingArts]

I assumed some humor

I assumed some humor, as you say impossible to be sure. Some folks I have thought were being funny were quite offended when I laughed at their "humor" that wasn't!

Try the same shot with the force needed to follow instead of draw and you will find that you can cheat the pocket a little. You will also find that you can get shape on the big side of the nine ball. Spend ten or fifteen minutes working on the shot as a draw shot to the spot you were trying to get to and the same amount of time shooting it as a follow shot with a little cheat and english as needed to get to the big side of the nine ball. Then shoot each way fifteen times for score and let me know which way you make the eight and nine the most.

Hu

This was posted as a semi-joke, but also the fact that drawing the ball from that position to a very small area is not that easy. Even though I have a hard time with quite a few shots, I pride myself on controlling my draw shots very well. Your reply seems you took my comment a bit too serious. I have a hard time when I joke around with people as I say things without much meaning behind them (like complaining you did not notice my shot), it's a bit tough to come across like you want to when typing.

If you knew how tight the pockets play there, there is no "cheating the pocket" It was either to the pocket or back, I may have put the angle in a bit off in the diagram, but the shot was straight on. And before you make fun of my shape for the 8, that was my opponents miss I took over.

 

[Peer]

Just looked at this thread, seems it's about draw shots. I just did this nice one in my tourney. Bridge off the rail, jacked up a bit, as the cue was too close to the pocket, was pretty much straight in on the 8. Placed the cue perfect for the 9, but rattled the 8 due to the speed I had to hit it.

Nice shot. Do you perhaps have a video of it, or do you voluntarily put yourself in the okinawa77 camp..?

-- peer

 

[Fast Lenny]

Nice shot. Do you perhaps have a video of it, or do you voluntarily put yourself in the okinawa77 camp..?

-- peer

The guy just said he made a nice draw on a tough shot,he wasnt bragging or knocking anyone so why throw him in okinawa77 camp?You seem like a cool guy and other times you seem like a bit of a nit standing on your Porsche and whatnot.

 

[Peer]

The guy just said he made a nice draw on a tough shot,he wasnt bragging or knocking anyone so why throw him in okinawa77 camp? You seem like a cool guy and other times you seem like a bit of a nit standing on your Porsche and whatnot.

Hey, the reason why this silly thread came about was that I always hear people talking about all those amazing shots they make but without any videos. Since it's so easy with todays tech to shoot & put up videos, there shouldn't be too hard for any woofer to do so. That's also why I forced my friend Chris to put up or shut up.

Hence, what I'm trying to convey to Mr. Hang-the-9 is that this thread is aimed at people who talk big but can also put up videos along with their woof. What Hang-the-9 offered was merely as much as okinawa77 provided -- just talk.

-- peer

 

[Rubyron]

Next time I play, I'm wearing one of these. Just in case I make a great shot and need proof.

 

[Peer]

Next time I play, I'm wearing one of these.

With that camera you might even be able to capture something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZqkaJDaz2A

-- peer

 

[hang-the-9]

Nice shot. Do you perhaps have a video of it, or do you voluntarily put yourself in the okinawa77 camp..?

-- peer

No video, but I have witnesses. Just let me go to the bank so I can pay them off . I don't think the guy I played has an acct. here, but another guy that works in the pool hall does, he can certify my draw shot as diagramed is valid and was performed by me. Certificate of authenticity is extra.

 

[Cuebacca]

Well, Cuebacca, since I know that you are a good guy, I'll give you some insight to how this silly video thingee came about.

Thanks, Peer, for the clarification and the kind words.

 

[okinawa77]

I never claimed I could make a draw shot like this. In fact, I'd part with everything I own just to be able to play as well as my friend Chris can, (he is certainly not a one trick pony).

However, what I claim is that I'm fed up with all those who talk big, hidden behind their silly user names Silly user names? I was born in Okinawa, Japan on 1977, what is so silly about that?, but can't put up when push comes to shove. As I said, the initiating post that made Chris and I got "hum" was okinawa77's claims that he could draw 2 table length.

To me the irony isn't me putting up a video of a friend making this shot, but okinawa77's complete absence from this thread. Again I ask, why can't he, or any one of you who think this draw shot is an easy feat, put up a video of it? I just got back from a 6 week trip in Japan. I haven't seen this thread till just now. Everything I have stated in this forum is 100% true, and if you don't believe then F U!
When I get time away from work, and other stuff, then I will make a video and figure out how to post it. If I feel like replying to your idiotic thread.

By the way, the few who say that Chris somehow cheated, I choose to ignore. I don't believe Chris cheated. I know Chris can draw, he is what I consider a strong 7 in 8 ball.

-- peer

I believe my quote, that you took out of another thread, was a question of what what the longest draw shot you have ever done. And Yes, I have drawn the ball 2 table lengths before. I never claimed that I can do that consistently. I can in fact consistently draw 1 full table length. People have seen me practicing my draw with the OB hanging in the Corner Pocket, and the CB starting from about 1 diamond from the opposite rail.

But, as I also stated, it is rarely ever needed to draw 2 table lengths. And there are few situations that 1 table length is needed.

 

[okinawa77]

They were just joking about the SL4

My whole point was to illustrate that it is odd to start a whole thread to call out a user [okinawa77] for not having skills, and then not use your own skills to call him out. You accuse okinawa of hiding behind his name and making claims about his skills. But then you run and get your friend to show him up. IMO, this looks more like a playground scenario where a bully calls someone a name and that person runs to get their brother to stick up for them.

It's true that your friend can draw like a demon, but by your own admission he is only an APA 4. And then you state you wish you played as good as him. It's like saying "okinawa show me your draw, and since I can't do it either, here is a video of my friend." I don't think this is achieving your purpose.

Besides, IMO, those people that have "real" pool skills are on the circuit or on the road and not playing APA.

Mad props to the pickle for his stroke, but not to this thread.

-td

I know Chris and play with him in the league. In the original post, they stated "SL4-just kidding".
He is an SL7 in 8 ball and and SL9 in 9 ball. He is one of the strongest players in our league, and I enjoy playing pool with him.
Another thread mentioned playing better players to improve you own game, and Chris is one of those players that I consider better than me, and that is why I enjoy playing against him. All it takes is one mistake, and he will run it out. I don't know who this Norwegian dude (Peer?) is.
Chris isn't a trick shot pony, he is an all around great player. He has a lot more years of experience than I do, and it shows by his shot selections and the english he uses on his shots.

I have never talked spit to other players, and Chris has never talked spit to me.

It seems to me that Norwegian dude is taking my words out of context.

 

[okinawa77]

Bragging?

Most great players need not brag about there ability as their play shows how great they are.

I don't think I'm bragging at all. I have read claims of draw more than what I posted. And as I stated earlier, I think my words are being taken out of context and being manipulated.

I don't think anything I have said is anything magical or superlative like Norwegian dude seems to think.

 

[Cuebacca]

I don't think I'm bragging at all. I have read claims of draw more than what I posted. And as I stated earlier, I think my words are being taken out of context and being manipulated.

I don't think anything I have said is anything magical or superlative like Norwegian dude seems to think.

I don't think it was entirely fair for you to be singled out as you were. The thread you posted in was titled something like, "How far can you draw?", and you simply answered the question. Personally, I give you the benefit of the doubt. I read your answer and it didn't sound like a boast. If you had said something like 5 table lengths, I could see calling BS, but this thread actually proves that your answer was realistic.

 

[okinawa77]

With that camera you might even be able to capture something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZqkaJDaz2A

-- peer

That is a cool video. I think it captures the beauty and art of pool.

 

[okinawa77]

I don't think it was entirely fair for you to be singled out as you were. The thread you posted in was titled something like, "How far can you draw?", and you simply answered the question. Personally, I give you the benefit of the doubt. I read your answer and it didn't sound like a boast. If you had said something like 5 table lengths, I could see calling BS, but this thread actually proves that your answer was realistic.

Yeah, I feel a little blind sided. My team captain mentioned some people talking spit about me on AZ. What makes me upset is people calling me a liar and poking fun at me.

The reason I even started with practicing my draw was because I read an article a long while back about some new shaft/cue and how some pros were able to draw 3 or 4 table lengths. I found that hard to believe, and so I tried to see how much I can draw back. And that is what got me started on playing around with draw. I rarely practice it, now. But it is usually to see if my mechanics are straight and see how much power I can put into a stroke while maintaining the good mechanics. It is helpful for power break shots, and the rare case of needing a long draw.

 

[td873]

Oh watch out buddy boy -- don't tell the lads that a monster draw-shot can be useful, (betya' you'll soon hear some woofing from LoGiC, td873, Neil, cubswin, JohnPT, etc ;^)

-- peer

Well, since this thread has been revived after a few months. I'm still waiting on your video(s)... Start a new thread when you get them up.

Oh, and I don't need to woof. I posted my vids many moons ago. They include a few of my "big" draw shots. Big for me anyway. Besides, I don't guage my success in life by what pool players think of me. I got over that a long time ago.

And (referring back to a previous post in this thread) why were you standing on your Boxster? Maybe I'm just not artistic enough to get it...

I know Chris and play with him in the league. In the original post, they stated "SL4-just kidding"

Actually, it wasn't until later in the thread. Here is the original post:

So last night, while me and my buddy Chris (aka "bumpypickle" who might be a strong APA 4) were bullshitting, ...

-td

 

[Peer]

Everything I have stated in this forum is 100% true, and if you don't believe then F U!

So the options for me is to go f**k myself or believe everything you say is 100% true..?

I believe my quote, that you took out of another thread, was a question of what what the longest draw shot you have ever done. And Yes, I have drawn the ball 2 table lengths before. I never claimed that I can do that consistently.
[...]
It seems to me that Norwegian dude is taking my words out of context.
[...]
And as I stated earlier, I think my words are being taken out of context and being manipulated.

Again, here's what you said:
> The best I have done it 18 feet (2 table lengths) on a 9 foot table.
> I can consistently draw full table on 9 footers, and about 50%
> consistency on 1.5 table lengths.

When I get time away from work, and other stuff, then I will make a video and figure out how to post it. If I feel like replying to your idiotic thread.

If you need any help with shooting this video, or to put it up, I'd be happy to help you.

Well, since this thread has been revived after a few months. I'm still waiting on your video(s)... Start a new thread when you get them up. Oh, and I don't need to woof. I posted my vids many moons ago. They include a few of my "big" draw shots. Big for me anyway. Besides, I don't guage my success in life by what pool players think of me. I got over that a long time ago. And (referring back to a previous post in this thread) why were you standing on your Boxster? Maybe I'm just not artistic enough to get it...

I guess my english isn't good enough, because to me the above sounds a bit incoherent. Sorry.

Just to repeat myself (from post #128): "The reason why this silly thread came about was that I always hear people talking about all those amazing shots they make but without any videos. Since it's so easy with todays tech to shoot & put up videos, there shouldn't be too hard for any woofer to do so. That's also why I forced my friend Chris to put up or shut up."

Since I can barely hold a cue myself, I'm always shut up about my playing. Hence, there won't be any pool videos of myself attempting those shots. Chris, on the other hand, choose to woof up and put up, and I commend him for that, (and I will also commend okinawa77, or anyone, for that matter, when/if putting up their videos).

-- peer