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9 Ball Girl

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2004 Skins Billiards Championship
Atlantic City, NJ USA
Semifinal #1 4:00 pm - 5:00 pm


2004 Skins Billiards Championship
Atlantic City, NJ USA
Semifinal #2 5:00 pm - 6:00 pm


2004 Skins Billiards Championship
Atlantic City, NJ USA
Championship 6:00 pm - 7:00 pm

I wish ESPN would make Billiards easier to find!
 
9 Ball Girl said:
I wish ESPN would make Billiards easier to find!

I'm pretty impressed that you found one mention of Billiards on the ESPN website. :p

I just went through an excruciating sign-on procedure to join something called ESPNVIEWERZONE, where I can contribute my opinions about the ESPN's coverage of sports events. Not sure it will do any good, but I'm going to put in my 2-cents worth. I do not understand WHY there is not one mention of Team USA winning the Mosconi Cup!

JAM's Skins Billiards Championship Pictures

JAM
 
Pelican said:
Nice pics JAM. Like the "tunes" too. :)

LOL, Pelican! The tune did seem fitting for an Atlantic City venue. Growing up on the East Coast, I've seen Atlantic City's transformation over the years. When I was a kid, my parents took me there on many occasions to enjoy the beach. The Monopoly game is based on the streets in Atlantic City. As a matter of fact, Park Place, one of the best cards to be holding in Monopoly, is the location of the Atlantic City Hilton Casino, formerly the Golden Nugget.

I am looking forward to seeing the ESPN coverage of this event. It was truly thrilling and exciting pool. One minute, I'm pulling for a player to win, and then because of the skins format, I'd switch horses and pull for a different opponent, in hopes that my horse would advance. In the semi-finals, the only way to advance, and win money, is to win three consecutive games in a row, quite a difficult feat in this field of world champion players. Everybody got a shot at the big pot of cheese, and when the dust settled, there were four VERY HAPPY pool players in the winner's circle.

In the finals, consisting of The Dapper Dutchman Niels Feijen, Rodney "The Rocket" Morris, Charlie "The Korean Dragon" Williams, and the German 2003 WPC Champion Thorsten Hohmann, every single one of the original 16 players who competed were in the peanut gallery checking out the action. Every seat in the house was filled to the brim, and it was standing room only.

One of the 16 players was Texan Bill Blanda, depicted below. He recently won a big poker tournament in Atlantic City, too. I am hopeful to see some more Skins tournaments in the future. This truly is what it is all about, the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat! :)

JAM
 

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A little background info...

By way of background, the format used in this tournament was based on one used in golf, but was tailored to suit pool, the concept created by Allen Hopkins and Billiards International. :)

The night before the 2-day event, there was a players meeting, and each one picked a card out of a hat: Ace, 2, 3, and 4 of each suit. Niels Feijen picked the Ace of Spades, spades being the highest-ranked suit, and Keith McCready drew the 2 of Spades; thus, they were the very first match of the event. JAM was already sweating bullets! :eek:

The rules for this unique skins format were reviewed extensively at the players meeting, and the 16 combatants were given an opportunity to ask questions and voice any concerns. I really like the fact that Scott Smith, the TD, was the designated racker at all times and nobody was allowed scrutinize the rack. Olhausen Tables gave each participant a bag of goodies consisting of a polo shirt, baseball cap, a cup holder, a really cool cobalt blue pen, note pad, key chain, and a few other neat things. (JAM liked that a lot! :D)

The first day, the four groups came down to this:

Group No. 1-Feijen, McCready, Morris, Jones;
Group No. 2-Williams, Blanda, Archer, Petroni;
Group No. 3-Massey, Salvas, Nevel, Santos;
Group No. 4 (the toughest one, I think)-Hohmann, Owen, Strickland, Deuel.

Each game in the first round was worth $500, and each group played 16 games in total. The highest money earners would advance to the semi-finals to occur on Day Two, which was filmed by ESPN. At the end of Day One, the highest money winners were: Williams, $5,000; Hohmann, $4,000; Morris, $3,500; Nevel, $3,500; Feijen, $3,000; Strickland, $2,000; Salvas, $2,000; and McCready, $2,000 (Whew! :p).

Day Two, the eight remaining players were, again, randomly selected in two groups consisting of four, this time a 12-game match. The only way to earn money is to win a "skin," i.e., three consecutive games in a row. At the end of the match, if all the monies weren't absorbed by a skin win, there was a sudden-death playoff: one game for the remaining monies, if any, in that bracket. That's where the tension builds! ;)

Here is a picture of the chart. Though difficult to read, the colors may help to understand the Skins Billiard Championship format. I didn't fully grasp the concept until I saw it unfold. :o

JAM
 

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JustPlay said:
Thanks for the times, however, on what day/month are they going to show it...

Duh. Sorry 'bout that. It's on Sunday, January 3. From 1 PM - 4 PM they're going to televise the Women's Tournament of Champions right before the skins game.
 
9 Ball Girl said:
Duh. Sorry 'bout that. It's on Sunday, January 3. From 1 PM - 4 PM they're going to televise the Women's Tournament of Champions right before the skins game.

Actually, it's Sunday, January 2nd! :) ;)

JAM
 
That was some great coverage of the skins game. I was glued to the set the whole time, I can watch football anytime.
 
Wonder what could have been?

JAM said:
By way of background, the format used in this tournament was based on one used in golf, but was tailored to suit pool, the concept created by Allen Hopkins and Billiards International. :)

The night before the 2-day event, there was a players meeting, and each one picked a card out of a hat: Ace, 2, 3, and 4 of each suit. Niels Feijen picked the Ace of Spades, spades being the highest-ranked suit, and Keith McCready drew the 2 of Spades; thus, they were the very first match of the event. JAM was already sweating bullets! :eek:

The rules for this unique skins format were reviewed extensively at the players meeting, and the 16 combatants were given an opportunity to ask questions and voice any concerns. I really like the fact that Scott Smith, the TD, was the designated racker at all times and nobody was allowed scrutinize the rack. Olhausen Tables gave each participant a bag of goodies consisting of a polo shirt, baseball cap, a cup holder, a really cool cobalt blue pen, note pad, key chain, and a few other neat things. (JAM liked that a lot! :D)

The first day, the four groups came down to this:

Group No. 1-Feijen, McCready, Morris, Jones;
Group No. 2-Williams, Blanda, Archer, Petroni;
Group No. 3-Massey, Salvas, Nevel, Santos;
Group No. 4 (the toughest one, I think)-Hohmann, Owen, Strickland, Deuel.

Each game in the first round was worth $500, and each group played 16 games in total. The highest money earners would advance to the semi-finals to occur on Day Two, which was filmed by ESPN. At the end of Day One, the highest money winners were: Williams, $5,000; Hohmann, $4,000; Morris, $3,500; Nevel, $3,500; Feijen, $3,000; Strickland, $2,000; Salvas, $2,000; and McCready, $2,000 (Whew! :p).

Day Two, the eight remaining players were, again, randomly selected in two groups consisting of four, this time a 12-game match. The only way to earn money is to win a "skin," i.e., three consecutive games in a row. At the end of the match, if all the monies weren't absorbed by a skin win, there was a sudden-death playoff: one game for the remaining monies, if any, in that bracket. That's where the tension builds! ;)

Here is a picture of the chart. Though difficult to read, the colors may help to understand the Skins Billiard Championship format. I didn't fully grasp the concept until I saw it unfold. :o

JAM

I know playing Monday moning quarterback is what all us wannabees do but I am curious of your feeling and Keith's reasoning of his decision to play a difficult combination on the 9 ball with ball in hand rather than the easy 6 ball run out for the game. That one decision changed the whole outcome imo.
It looked like he was shooting great.
 
nfty9er said:
I know playing Monday moning quarterback is what all us wannabees do but I am curious of your feeling and Keith's reasoning of his decision to play a difficult combination on the 9 ball with ball in hand rather than the easy 6 ball run out for the game. That one decision changed the whole outcome imo.
It looked like he was shooting great.

Nfty9er, to be honest with you, I could have went rail first with the shot and made it real quick. I looked at my easy out and then saw the opportunity to take Rodney immediately out of the rotation, which I really wanted to do.

As it turned out, I missed the shot. I'd like to shoot it again for my money, but bygones are bygones. If there's anybody paying for that shot, it sure is me. I would have liked to have made it and seen the outcome of the circumstances if I would have made it. I believe I would have brought the house down and had the crowd on my side.

It was a really extraordinary event for me, and I'm glad I was able to be a part of it. I tip my hat to Niels Fiejen, who played real well throughout the weekend. Charlie Williams had a good peformance himself, and when it was time to take command of the lead, he did it. As far as Rodney goes, I'm proud of him. He's like my godson, and I'm sure we will all be seeing a whole lot more of Rodney up ahead. Hopefully, in the future, tournaments like this will catch on and take pool to another level.
 
nfty9er said:
I know playing Monday moning quarterback is what all us wannabees do but I am curious of your feeling and Keith's reasoning of his decision to play a difficult combination on the 9 ball with ball in hand rather than the easy 6 ball run out for the game. That one decision changed the whole outcome imo.
It looked like he was shooting great.

Hey, Nifty, hope you're well. Nifty, it was a ridiculous choice, and Allen Hopkins made it clear he thought so, too. The only ball that wasn't out in the middle of the table was the six, which sat along the long rail a few inches above the side, but far enough from the side that it didn't seem to present a significant problem. The balls were spread out wide, and most accompished playrs would have called it a dead out. I don't agree with you that it looked like Keith was shooting great. Twice, he jumped up to hand Rodney a rack, and he had several uncharacteristic mistakes. I will, however, say this. Keith was the single most entertaining player on the entire telecast of the skins game, the one guy who showed his emotions and interacted considerably with the crowd and with his fellow competitors. If they do another one of these, Keith should be invited back, because he brings fun to the event. Keith is good TV.
 
Howdy,
Keith disappointed me.I did not see him performing his usual best.He played like he was hustling for a big money game in the near future( that combo for 9 ball was a joke as it was not aimed to the pocket.looked like he was intentionally missing.He also did not make any smart allic /funny comments.I know that Keith can do much better to entertain the audience.Cheers
Vagabond
 
Hope they show more of this kind of pool on TV. Thought the more personalities and the loose interaction between the players and the crowd are good television. The ring games showed on Altitude channel (Colorado) were also nicer to watch than the more "serious" one on one games.
 
vagabond said:
Howdy,
Keith disappointed me.I did not see him performing his usual best.He played like he was hustling for a big money game in the near future( that combo for 9 ball was a joke as it was not aimed to the pocket.looked like he was intentionally missing.He also did not make any smart allic /funny comments.I know that Keith can do much better to entertain the audience.Cheers
Vagabond
Hmmm, don't hold back vagabond, call it the way ya see it. :rolleyes:
 
vagabond said:
Howdy,
Keith disappointed me.I did not see him performing his usual best.He played like he was hustling for a big money game in the near future( that combo for 9 ball was a joke as it was not aimed to the pocket.looked like he was intentionally missing.He also did not make any smart allic /funny comments.I know that Keith can do much better to entertain the audience.Cheers
Vagabond

Well, hello, Vagabond! Keith disappointed you, and you've disappointed me. :(

I thought the Skins tourney was exciting. Instead of detailing the happy highlights of the show, seeing Rodney Morris shine, watching Charlie Williams maintain his composure and make it to the Final Four, some folks seem to focus on negatives and speculation.

As far as Keith doing "much better to entertain the audience," what you saw on TV is classic Keith. Whether he's playing for money, competing in a high-profile event, or in the pit in front of the camera, his style of play is unique. He is most definitely an offensive shooter and tries to make things happen on a field of green.

Too bad they didn't show the first day of the tournament, the commencement of the event, when Keith won the lag, broke and ran out three games in a row. He didn't earn a skin at that time because the format didn't utilize the three-game skin win until the semi-finals. I agree that he didn't play his best on Day Two, but to incinuate that he INTENTIONALLY missed projects a tone which is derogatory (IMO).

For the record, Keith gave it his all, Vagabond. He responded to a post last evening at my suggestion about the 2-9 combo. He paid a very large entry fee to get in this event, and he wanted to win. He NEVER intentionally missed any shot, and the incinuation you make is hurtful to me personally. Nobody was more disappointed than Keith, except maybe me. But that's pool for you. It is a game of skill. When a pool player displays he is a mere mortal, a human being capable of making mistakes, the vultures begin to circle, and the naysayers are result pickers.

My bubble is burst, but not my spirit.

JAM
 
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JAM said:
Well, hello, Vagabond! Keith disappointed you, and you've disappointed me. :(

I thought the Skins tourney was exciting. Instead of detailing the happy highlights of the show, seeing Rodney Morris shine, watching Charlie Williams maintain his composure and make it to the Final Four, some folks seem to focus on negatives and speculation.

As far as Keith doing "much better to entertain the audience," what you saw on TV is classic Keith. Whether he's playing for money, competing in a high-profile event, or in the pit in front of the camera, his style of play is unique. He is most definitely an offensive shooter and tries to make things happen on a field of green.

Too bad they didn't show the first day of the tournament, the commencement of the event, when Keith won the lag, broke and ran out three games in a row. He didn't earn a skin at that time because the format didn't utilize the three-game skin win until the semi-finals. I agree that he didn't play his best on Day Two, but to incinuate that he INTENTIONALLY missed projects a tone which is derogatory (IMO).

For the record, Keith gave it his all, Vagabond. He responded to a post last evening at my suggestion about the 2-9 combo. He paid a very large entry fee to get in this event, and he wanted to win. He NEVER intentionally missed any shot, and the incinuation you make is hurtful to me personally. Nobody was more disappointed than Keith, except maybe me.

My bubble is burst, but not my spirit.

JAM


i agree. looks to me like keith was trying the give the fans what they want. everyone wants spectacular shots and offense offense offense. and thats what he gave them. he played just like i've seen him play in person as far as his style, and i was thrilled to see him on national t.v.

the entire time people have been posting about this 2-9 combo, yet i haven't seen anyone make a big deal about earl blatently touching the 5 and saying "he didn't see it". LOL

not knocking earl, i just figured this would be a much bigger deal than an erred 2-9 combo.
 
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