EU Sanctions and the Mosconi Cup

penguin said:
Hoping that the USA will fail just because "your guy" is not in office is about as un-American as it gets.

Since you are so unhappy with how things are, when are you moving back home to Russia?
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Talk about backwards. You pulled that "hope the USA fails" out of your a$$ because I sure never said anything remotely similar.

Under what logic would being upset that our incompetent leadership didn't handle a sh!thole country the way they should have then lead to wanting to move to said country? Your a$$ must be really sore with as much stuff as you are pulling out of it.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Under what logic would being upset that our incompetent leadership didn't handle a sh!thole country the way they should have then lead to wanting to move to said country?
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Since you are so eager to regurgitate anti-American talking points, could you provide some evidence of your points #1, #2, and #3 from a source that isn't eastern-European (Russian) funded?

Don't forget to include the previous administration as well, because this whole episode has been going on since before January 20, 2021.

And, if you are going to continue to write fiction, at least have the decency to label it as fiction.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
everybody knows there is zero chance Trump would have allowed this to happen because he actually had backbone and competence.
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Here is an audio clip of your führer praising Putin.

Sounds pretty anti-American to me.

Would that constitute giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy?

 
penguin said:
Since you are so eager to regurgitate anti-American talking points
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The stupidity around here has been off the charts lately, and then here comes penguin trying to take it to new levels off the charts. With "logic" such as...criticizing the president for being weak, incompetent, and having incredibly poor performance in how it has dealt with Russia and in every way (all supported by the facts, not that it matters for this particular point) is "hoping the USA will fail" and "un-American" and "anti-American talking points". And being angry with our incompetent president for not doing a better job in stopping the enemy from evil actions that could easily soon lead to the entire world being put in peril must mean that you must want to move to that country. Must be opposite day in penguin's world. Congratulations for having an age number that exceeds your IQ number.
penguin said:
could you provide some evidence of your points #1, #2, and #3 from a source that isn't eastern-European (Russian) funded?
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Here we go again. Being angry at our weak and incompetent president for not being able to keep Putin from doing evil things is "Russian funded" talk, because we all know that trying to get Biden to do a better job of stopping Putin and being angry with him for failing at it is exactly what Putin wants, right? Where do you come up with this stuff? Next you are going to try telling us that it makes the Ukrainians happy when the Russians bomb them, because everything else has been the complete dead opposite to all facts, logic, and reality so far.
penguin said:
Don't forget to include the previous administration as well, because this whole episode has been going on since before January 20, 2021.
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Yeah, because Putin invaded Ukraine while Trump was in office penguin says, and we must have all just forgotten about that. It didn't start on Feb 22, 2022 (or on Feb 20, 2014 the time before that, also on Biden's watch), nope, it actually happened prior to Jan 20, 2021 while Trump was in office and we just all have our dates wrong and have a bad memory about when Putin was invading countries and going to war.

It wasn't actually under Biden's watch, twice now, that Russia went to war with Ukraine to take over parts and now all of their country, right? It also wasn't Biden, twice, that refused to help Ukraine with arms so they could actually defend themselves against Russia, right? It also wasn't Biden and fam that got millions of dollars in payoffs from high ranking Russian officials, right? It also wasn't Biden that refused to allow a needed oil pipeline in America, that was already most of the way complete and would have been a massive benefit to the USA, and instead shut it down on the grounds that "oil isn't good for the world", only to then immediately turn around and give full authorization and support for Russia to build a massive oil pipeline that would be of massive benefit to Russia, right (apparently oil is only bad when it helps America, but amazingly it somehow magically turns into a great thing when it is going to help Russia instead--anybody seeing the pattern here)? And it isn't Biden that to this very moment still is buying oil from Russia to help them finance their war with Ukraine, and wants to continue doing that even in the face of bi-partisan opposition to it, right? You could go on and on and on. Everything Biden does is with the intention of helping Russia or China, and/or to harm the USA, including how he failed to handle this situation. Yet in your feeble mind you will dismiss it all as coincidences and whatever else you can come up with, because for you holding on to an agenda is more important than dealing with the truth. Biden has been nothing Putin's paid off bedfellow for years, Putin's little b!tch.

Say what you will about Trump, but he was the polar opposite of Biden. Everything he touched turned to gold, everything he did made things massively better for everyone, usually approaching the best in half a century and often in history, and everything was done always and only for the benefit of the American public, and benefit they did. The only reason our country hasn't already collapsed in total ruin from Biden's actions is that Trump built it up so strong that it has even been able to halfway fade Joe Biden for a year. Everything Biden touches goes to absolute sh!t.

And before you try to say the one and only thing that can be spun to try to make Biden look good, the job growth, let's consider reality first. A) you don't get to be the cause of absolute decimation of American jobs and then try to get credit when they finally start coming back in spite of you. B) Of course job growth looks good when you are coming from nothing, there is nowhere to go but up, and it almost has to go quickly, at least for a while. C) A main reason unemployment looks good is because so many people are not looking for work with Biden's policies encouraging pure laziness, and living off government handouts, etc, but look at the percentage that are not working (as opposed to out of work but actively looking which is very misleading right now) for a truer picture of what is really going on and the lack of health that is actually there. D) It is a testament to how strong Trump built things up that we have been able to recover as much as we have in spite of everything Biden does that has been a detriment and impediment to it.
 
penguin said:
Here is an audio clip of your führer praising Putin.

Sounds pretty anti-American to me.

Would that constitute giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy?

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I don't even like Trump as a person. Doesn't change how good his policies were though, and how good he was for the country, and how good he did as president.

So here you present a video of very short audio sound bites, taken completely out of context, and then edited together in such a way as to try to make it look like Trump is saying something different than what he was actually saying. Your kind does that a lot, but its all you have when the facts aren't on your side.

That said, I didn't hear anything that sounded anti-American to me, in the least. I didn't hear anything that sounded like aid and comfort either. It was a real quick listen but I also didn't hear anything that struck me as really untrue either. You can be both evil and still brilliant at things at the same time, with a billion examples from history, and Putin has certainly been playing chess while Biden has been playing tic-tac-toe, there is no denying that. They aren't even in the same universe of level intelligence wise, but unfortunately they are much closer to the same level morality wise.

I mostly just wanted to point out that this kind of thing is going to continue coming from Russia, and from China, and probably from others too because of the incompetent weak leadership we currently have, and that we need to be preparing for things to get much worse and we need to start trying to figure out what we can do to fix it because this is some serious stuff, but at this point I think we've taken it plenty far enough down the rabbit hole here. How about we go over to NPR to continue if you insist.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
I don't even like Trump as a person. Doesn't change how good his policies were though, and how good he was for the country, and how good he did as president.

So here you present a video of very short audio sound bites, taken completely out of context, and then edited together in such a way as to try to make it look like Trump is saying something different than what he was actually saying. Your kind does that a lot, but its all you have when the facts aren't on your side.

That said, I didn't hear anything that sounded anti-American to me, in the least. I didn't hear anything that sounded like aid and comfort either. It was a real quick listen but I also didn't hear anything that struck me as really untrue either. You can be both evil and still brilliant at things at the same time, with a billion examples from history, and Putin has certainly been playing chess while Biden has been playing tic-tac-toe, there is no denying that. They aren't even in the same universe of level intelligence wise, but unfortunately they are much closer to the same level morality wise.

I mostly just wanted to point out that this kind of thing is going to continue coming from Russia, and from China, and probably from others too because of the incompetent weak leadership we currently have, and that we need to be preparing for things to get much worse and we need to start trying to figure out what we can do to fix it because this is some serious stuff, but at this point I think we've taken it plenty far enough down the rabbit hole here. How about we go over to NPR to continue if you insist.
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Trump was and still is a REAL POS! His policies? Now, that's a joke! He had no policies other than to bullshit his way through four years of total incompetence and outright nepotism and greed. He put us in this spot by cozying up to Putin and creating the divisiveness in our country that made us look weak in the eyes of the world, especially in Russia and China. They are both looking to expand their territory now, Russia with it's neighboring countries and China throughout the South China Sea. If Putin succeeds, look for China to go after Taiwan next.
 
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jay helfert said:
Trump was and still is a REAL POS! His policies? Now, that's a joke! He had no policies other than to bullshit his way through four years of total incompetence and outright nepotism and greed. He put us in this spot by cozying up to Putin and creating the divisiveness in our country that made us look weak in the eyes of the world, and especially in Russia and China. They are both looking to expand their territory now, Russia with it's neighboring countries and China throughout the South China Sea. If Putin succeeds, look for China to go after Taiwan next.
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Truth! I agree 100 percent.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
... standard issue wall-of-text conservative talking points ...
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Very poor attempt at DARVO.... Did I hit a nerve?

If you are just going to copy and paste the typical conservative talking points, could you at least provide the actual sources where you got those talking points from? Perhaps you should stop living in a Facebook information bubble... or is it Parler, or Gab, or Rumble?

You make lots of accusations, and provide no sources to back it up.

And since you're so sure of yourself, show us the evidence for this one (real sources, not your opinion, or a post your buddy made on Facebook)

Poolplaya9 said:
It also wasn't Biden and fam that got millions of dollars in payoffs from high ranking Russian officials, right?
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For example, here's a good source (looks like someone got caught stealing from charities) -

ag.ny.gov

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds

Trump Ordered to Pay Eight Separate Charities $250,000 Each Remaining $1.8 Million in Trump Foundation Bank Account Disbursed Among Charities NEW YORK – New
ag.ny.gov ag.ny.gov
 
Poolplaya9 said:
You really have it all backwards. Biden's actions and inactions are the whole reason this mess is going on the begin with, period. Like him or not everybody knows there is zero chance Trump would have allowed this to happen because he actually had backbone and competence.

You get a president who is weak, incompetent, half senile, and in bed with you, which is exactly what the Russians and China have gotten in Biden, and guess what, they are going to take advantage of that and that is exactly what they are doing. Biden can't handle them and there isn't a soul who didn't know that before the election, it's just that the naive and poor judgement half of the country crossed their fingers that Russia and China wouldn't actually take advantage of it and voted for him anyway, and of course they lost that dumb gamble and now here we are dealing with the fallout.

And even when it became clear Russia's intentions were to invade Ukraine, Biden still didn't do what he should have and was incredibly weak and incompetent with his handling, and here we are.

And then even after the invasion actually got underway, and on up to the present moment, it has been the same thing, Biden being incompetent and weak in his handling. So he put some sanctions on Russia finally, big deal Everything Biden has done at every point along the way has been way too little, way too late.

The world is not looking to the U.S. for leadership right now. They are scared crapless and are looking for protection, simple as that. They see the total incompetence in the U.S. leadership, but when they are one of the big dogs on the playground and you are starting to feel your very existence could now be under threat, you start doing what you have to do and whatever the U.S. can provide is always going to be better than nothing as far as they are concerned.
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My man, Biden has isolated Russia from the west and Biden's state department has persuaded the free world
to go along with his sanctions.
His country is about as free to move about and do business in the world as North Korea.
What do you not understand?
In just 10 days the Russian Ruble's value has fallen to the value of an American penny.
Russians will need a wheelbarrow full of rubles to go grocery shopping.
The Russian central bank has raised interest rates from 9.5% to 20% in just ten days.
The Russian stock market has been completely closed for 5 days and will not open any time soon.
If you had equities you wanted to sell you could not so your equities have become worthless.
Russia largest state owned bank, Sberbank, has failed, in just 10 days of sanctions.

Biden has unified NATO again.
Finland and Sweden now want to join NATO.
The famously neutral Swiss have frozen Russian bank accounts.

Who put all of these sanctions into play and gotten the entire free western world to go along with them?
Yup, your president, good old sleepy Joe Biden.
That's a hell of a lot of high level diplomacy from a guy that is senile?
You are gravely mistaken.
 
sjm said:
Yup, one of many promising threads in the main forum hijacked by politics. Most of us are focusing on how these circumstances will immediately affect pro pool and the Russian players. How we got to this moment in time, politically speaking, is NPR stuff.
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I hate this political noise.

I’m not here for that.

Hope you well Stu,

Best
Eric
 
sjm said:
Yup, one of many promising threads in the main forum hijacked by politics. Most of us are focusing on how these circumstances will immediately affect pro pool and the Russian players. How we got to this moment in time, politically speaking, is NPR stuff.
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Yes its a shame.
Sign of the times now, never seen USA so divided in living memory so it is everywhere these days.
 
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jay helfert said:
Trump was and still is a REAL POS! His policies? Now, that's a joke! He had no policies other than to bullshit his way through four years of total incompetence and outright nepotism and greed. He put us in this spot by cozying up to Putin and creating the divisiveness in our country that made us look weak in the eyes of the world, especially in Russia and China. They are both looking to expand their territory now, Russia with it's neighboring countries and China throughout the South China Sea. If Putin succeeds, look for China to go after Taiwan next.
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If you think he is the one that "creating the divisiveness in our country" then I got a bridge to sell you.

How is this thread not been locked and flushed down the toilet yet!?!


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Let's see, how to put this so it is easily understood? Is there any price that cannot be justified in order to avoid nuclear war?
 
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