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When I started with pool it was USA all the way, then the Asian invation came who kicked ass with very effective pool, now it seems like the Europeans took that effective pool and added some mojo to it.
Checking out the youth the Asians are the dominators but new rising talents from Europe are on their way (check out resent results on the Europeans).

Question is:
Where is the USA?
Is there a plan to do something about this?
 
Ah, yes, where is the USA on the pool map in 2009?

The year is young, but there have been six events with an internationally diverse field.

Derby City Nine Ball
Shane Van Boening (USA) beat Lee Van Corteza (Asia) in the final

Derby City One Pocket
John Schmidt (USA) beat Scott Frost (USA) in the final

Derby City Bank Pool
John Brumback (USA) beat Rodolfo Luat (Asia) in the final

Derby City Straight Pool
Danny Harriman (USA) beat Darren Appleton (Europe) in the final

Derby City 10-Ball
Lee Van Corteza (Asia) beat Ralf Souquet (Europe) in the final

Valley Forge 10-Ball
John Schmidt (USA) beat Corey Deuel (USA) in the final

So, in the first six significant events having a diverse, international field, the USA has won five of them. Asia the other. USA, Asia and Europe have two second place finishes each.

That's where the USA is in 2009, fella.
 
So you did well on the Derby 2009, then there is no problem @ all :scratchhead:

Ignoring might not be the answer to this....
 
berry said:
When I started with pool it was USA all the way, then the Asian invation came who kicked ass with very effective pool, now it seems like the Europeans took that effective pool and added some mojo to it.
Checking out the youth the Asians are the dominators but new rising talents from Europe are on their way (check out resent results on the Europeans).

Question is:
Where is the USA?
Is there a plan to do something about this?
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I only have one thing to say to you, Berry. Yeah, you know what it is.

All together now:

USA, ALL THE WAY.
USA, ALL THE WAY.
USA, ALL THE WAY, I say!
 
fun: With the World Pool Masters comming up I love to see all those world class American players in action... but wait a minute..

First round

Match 1. - Alex Pagulayan (Philippines) v Nick van den Berg (Holland)
Match 2. - Johnny Archer (USA) v Imran Majid (England)
Match 3. - Shane Van Boening (USA) v Yu Ram Cha (Korea)

Saturday, May 9, 2.00pm

Match 4. - Niels Feijen (Holland) v Tony Drago (Malta)
Match 5. - Ralf Souquet (Germany) v Ruslan Chinakhov (Russia)
Match 6. - Darren Appleton (England) v Raj Hundal (India)

Saturday, May 9, 7.00pm

Match 7. - Dennis Orcollo (Philippines) v Alain Martel (Canada)
Match 8. - Mika Immonen (Finland) v Fu Jianbo (China)

They only choose old (with great respect) Archer and the Shane in this Championships...

You can see this as a sign, or root USA ALL THE WAY only during the first round...
 
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facts: WC 10-ball:

2008 Darren Appleton GBR

WC 9-ball:

2008 no Men
2007 Daryl Peach (ENG)
2006 Ronnie Alcano (PHI)
2005 Chia-Ching Wu (TPE)
2004 Alex Pagulayan (CAN)
2003 Thorsten Hohmann (GER)

WC 8-ball:

2008 Ralf Souquet (GER)
2007 Ronnie Alcano (PHI)
2005 Chia-Ching Wu (TPE)
2004 Efren Reyes (PHI)

WC Straightpool:

2008 Niels Feijen (NED)
2007 Oliver Ortmann (GER)
2006 Thorsten Hohmann (GER)
 
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I'm curious as to how many players the United States is allowed to have compete in so-called "world-class" tournaments, as compared to the European Union.

I mean, since it is the European Union, I would think they should be represented as one entity, much like the United States. If not, then we should at least be able to send players from each of our collective 50 States, two representatives from each State as an example.

I would be interested to see the breakdown of how many players from each country of the EU are permitted.

It is extremely confusing when our BCA, the organization that is supposed to represent the North America, to include Canada, is sometimes only granted "permission" to send American players to events, even though they do represent Canada. I don't get it. It is a lot of bureaucracy for a sport that doesn't generate much sponsorship from non-pool-related industries, IMO.
 
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JAM said:
I mean, since it is the European Union, I would think they should be represented as one entity, much like the United States. If not, then we should at least be able to send players from each of our collective 50 States, two representatives from each State as an example.
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As you clearly specified, the United States are a confederation of states that make a country... ONE country. In opposition of the European Union wich is an union between MANY differents countries with proper cultures, languages... and pool federations :wink:

Sorry for my english, I'm an european and this is not my main language...
 
billbOK said:
As you clearly specified, the United States are a confederation of states that make a country... ONE country. In opposition of the European Union wich is an union between MANY differents countries with proper cultures, languages... and pool federations :wink:

Sorry for my english, I'm an european and this is not my main language...
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Your English is fine! :)

The European countries decided to form the European Union, one entity, that being Europe.

The United States has 50 States. I would venture to guess that there are more pool players in Florida than there are in Hungary, or more players in Texas than in Norway, or more players in Ohio than in The Netherlands. Do you see my point at all?

The United States, geographically speaking, is very large, compared to Germany.

I am just wondering what the breakdown is. If the BCA is supposed to be representing all of North America, then I think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Otherwise, there's something rotten in Denmark! ;)
 
"I'm curious as to how many players the United States is allowed to have compete in so-called "world-class" tournaments, as compared to the European Union.

I mean, since it is the European Union, I would think they should be represented as one entity, much like the United States. If not, then we should at least be able to send players from each of our collective 50 States, two representatives from each State as an example."

There is not enough quality in the US to send 2 players from every state! Of course there are some very good players in the US but the top is very, very small and I have the feeling that there is not much below it that can make it towards the top. (please tell me this is not true).
How different it is in Europe, many country's (states) have top players. Some country's have a special training program, special coaches, special youth programs, sport psychologist ect.
 
JAM said:
Your English is fine! :)

The European countries decided to form the European Union, one entity, that being Europe.

;)
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Ahhhh... not so much.....

moving along...

But here is what this conversation comes down to..... There is not a proper federation or the like that has enough pull to produce a WC and have it mean anything....
 
berry said:
There is not enough quality in the US to send 2 players from every state! Of course there are some very good players in the US but the top is very, very small and I have the feeling that there is not much below it that can make it towards the top. (please tell me this is not true).
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:yikes::shocked2::yikes::shocked2::yikes:

This is not true.

berry said:
How different it is in Europe, many country's (states) have top players. Some country's have a special training program, special coaches, special youth programs, sport psychologist ect.
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It's different in Europe all right, but I ain't talking about pool.

I get the feeling that you think those blue-bloods in Europe are better than us American rednecks. Am I right?
 
The Eagle is always ready to take on the European Union players! Bring it on. Where's their representative mascot? Oh, don't have one yet?
 

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JAM said:
:yikes::shocked2::yikes::shocked2::yikes:

This is not true.



It's different in Europe all right, but I ain't talking about pool.

I get the feeling that you think those blue-bloods in Europe are better than us American rednecks. Am I right?
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No...
But their structure and support of the sport is indeed better.
 
although I love to see the flag again or some bird that represents patriotism, it is still a fact that the USA hasn't had a World Champion is years and years...Yes, there are some great players but the top seems very small (and old).

Mosconi 2009??
Strickland 47
Archer 41
Deuel 32
JJ 38
Morris 39
 
berry said:
although I love to see the flag again or some bird that represents patriotism, it is still a fact that the USA hasn't had a World Champion is years and years...Yes, there are some great players but the top seems very small (and old).

Mosconi 2009??
Strickland 47
Archer 41
Deuel 32
JJ 38
Morris 39
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Since the WPA is in the driver's seat, it doesn't surprise me either.

As far as birds go, I have two words for the last so-called world championship:

BIRD BREAK

Russia has the bear, the United States has the eagle, and, well, maybe Europe could be the fish! :grin-square:

People would be much healthier if they consumed more fish, I think.

Mosconi cup? Well, let's have a Minnesota Fats Cup. Bring on them European fish, and let's dine well! We'll show you what a pool cup should really look like.
 

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Since the WPA is in the driver's seat, it doesn't surprise me either.

As far as birds go, I have two words for the last so-called world championship:

BIRD BREAK

Russia has the bear, the United States has the eagle, and, well, maybe Europe could be the fish! :grin-square:

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yeeeahhh... about that Russia thing....it is in Europe ya know.
 
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