"Cocksocker"......that's a new one for me!!!!!!!
Everything hits a ton,but a ton of what?
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The cue hits a ton of BS. It is just a lot of hype from someone hoping to sell a POS cue to another person who knows nothing or little about cues.
Why would someone what a cue that hits a ton when the way to shoot is soft and softer?
When I see that in a discription it tells me to stay away.
Why would someone what a cue that hits a ton when the way to shoot is soft and softer?
When I see that in a discription it tells me to stay away.
You shut up McDonald or Im gonna come and punch you right in the cock!!!!!!!!!!!!
You heard me! COCK!
C O C K!
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Right in the jimma jamma!
That is straight up hilarious.
On a more serious note, he does bring up a good point. You see a lot of sellers say things hit a tonne. I would imagine they do it to try and increase sales but what I think he's getting at more than the dealer seller is the player seller.
If the guy plays the cue and it hits a tonne, personally I would keep it. Taxi man has sold enough cues for me to value his opinion.
Yes, all the phrases used to sell cues here are getting tiring. Just be honest about what you are selling, try to supply specs whenever possible, and provide decent pics...and hopefully the cue will sell.
As to these 'monster' cues that change hands frequently...personally, I want to stay away from anything that has changed too many hands too quickly...that should be sending up red flags immediately. Let's face it, not every cue made can be a terrific player...the odds are simply against it...on so many different levels. Even the best, every now and again, get a dud that might look like a million bucks, but plays like a log. Whenever a particular cue has seen too many owners, I tend to think that it must not be that great a player, or else it wouldn't be changing hands as often as it does.
But that is just me.
Lisa
As to these 'monster' cues that change hands frequently...personally, I want to stay away from anything that has changed too many hands too quickly...that should be sending up red flags immediately. Let's face it, not every cue made can be a terrific player...the odds are simply against it...on so many different levels. Even the best, every now and again, get a dud that might look like a million bucks, but plays like a log. Whenever a particular cue has seen too many owners, I tend to think that it must not be that great a player, or else it wouldn't be changing hands as often as it does.
But that is just me.
Lisa
How about " hits like SW but better"? Even though it has a much different taper and construction.
" This is the best hitting I've owned." Three months later it's for sale.
" This is the best hitting I've owned." Three months later it's for sale.
The hit is in the eye of the beholder
Hi,
Just thought I would weigh in on the subject of the monster hit.
Each cue no matter who creates it has a harmonic profile that is unique unto itself. While each wood species is different and unique there are certain facts that can not be ignored when analyzing the hit.
First and foremost is the density of the shaft. If you have a 4 oz shaft that spins like a laser between centers @ +2500 rpm, that is a very good place to start when looking for a cue that hits real good. The shaft taper, ferrule, tip, and joint will all make a huge difference when comparing hit attributes. Without the heavy hard maple shaft to start with your just dressing up something that is mediocre. Thats not to say 3.7 - 3.9 oz will not make a very good cue, but if we are talking monster hit you need 4.0 or better.
In the butt section of the cue I believe that the weight and balance is the prime directive. In my humble opinion, I believe the overall cue should have a slightly forward weighted feel. The selection of the wood species has a big factor in the feedback that the player feels and can not be ignored. Maple or ebony fronts seem to be the most revered but that does not mean that other types of wood combonations won't be a home run.
After pondering all of the above and more, biggest factor to consider is the stroke of the player who is the ultimate end user. There are a lot of ways to stroke a cue ball and just as many ways to describe it.
Years ago my friend Stew Mortinson was working as a millwright and he was on a job that had testing equipment where the could monitor the resonance profile of cold roll mill spec. A7 steel rod. They hooked up rods to a frequency device and used an oscilloscope to view the graphic output. Each steel rod produced profiles that were very close to each other with a high degree of consistency.
Stew was also working in Bert Schrager's shop in Hollywood and took some 1" maple dowels to work to test on the set up. He told me that every dowel had it's own graphic pattern and were like night a day when compared to each other without any rhyme or reason.
I truly believe that each cue that is created by the cue maker has it's own bottom line when it come down to the hit and a lot of it is out of his control because we are dealing with wood. Our coarse we can supply the dense shaft, preferred ferrule, joint, tip, shaft tapper, diameters, wood species combination and balance point. If you make 2 cues out of the same everythings, it don't mean they will play the same.
To get the monster hit the player must find the cue that feels best to him and gives him the best feedback within his stroke. One man's shit is another mans bread and butter.
The cue that is right for you is the one that you make the most balls with and gives you the best leaves! Is there anything more to say? If you are an anal retentive pool junkie you may require to change cues from time to time as your skills and stroke develops.
It is the job of the cue maker to make the best cue he can while offering the player a selection of cues. Hopefully one of those cues will be the monster hit for that guy.
Rick Geschrey
Hi,
Just thought I would weigh in on the subject of the monster hit.
Each cue no matter who creates it has a harmonic profile that is unique unto itself. While each wood species is different and unique there are certain facts that can not be ignored when analyzing the hit.
First and foremost is the density of the shaft. If you have a 4 oz shaft that spins like a laser between centers @ +2500 rpm, that is a very good place to start when looking for a cue that hits real good. The shaft taper, ferrule, tip, and joint will all make a huge difference when comparing hit attributes. Without the heavy hard maple shaft to start with your just dressing up something that is mediocre. Thats not to say 3.7 - 3.9 oz will not make a very good cue, but if we are talking monster hit you need 4.0 or better.
In the butt section of the cue I believe that the weight and balance is the prime directive. In my humble opinion, I believe the overall cue should have a slightly forward weighted feel. The selection of the wood species has a big factor in the feedback that the player feels and can not be ignored. Maple or ebony fronts seem to be the most revered but that does not mean that other types of wood combonations won't be a home run.
After pondering all of the above and more, biggest factor to consider is the stroke of the player who is the ultimate end user. There are a lot of ways to stroke a cue ball and just as many ways to describe it.
Years ago my friend Stew Mortinson was working as a millwright and he was on a job that had testing equipment where the could monitor the resonance profile of cold roll mill spec. A7 steel rod. They hooked up rods to a frequency device and used an oscilloscope to view the graphic output. Each steel rod produced profiles that were very close to each other with a high degree of consistency.
Stew was also working in Bert Schrager's shop in Hollywood and took some 1" maple dowels to work to test on the set up. He told me that every dowel had it's own graphic pattern and were like night a day when compared to each other without any rhyme or reason.
I truly believe that each cue that is created by the cue maker has it's own bottom line when it come down to the hit and a lot of it is out of his control because we are dealing with wood. Our coarse we can supply the dense shaft, preferred ferrule, joint, tip, shaft tapper, diameters, wood species combination and balance point. If you make 2 cues out of the same everythings, it don't mean they will play the same.
To get the monster hit the player must find the cue that feels best to him and gives him the best feedback within his stroke. One man's shit is another mans bread and butter.
The cue that is right for you is the one that you make the most balls with and gives you the best leaves! Is there anything more to say? If you are an anal retentive pool junkie you may require to change cues from time to time as your skills and stroke develops.
It is the job of the cue maker to make the best cue he can while offering the player a selection of cues. Hopefully one of those cues will be the monster hit for that guy.
Rick Geschrey
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Don't forget "Hits like the rock of Gibraltar" Can anyone tell me who used to say that!!!
If you find a cue that actually does "Hits a TON" you will know it!!!
Outstanding post, excellent presentation.
They should post this where ever pool players gather.
Well put.....
PERFECT! Well said, and I don't have to read anymore. Thanks You SIR.
PERFECT! Well said, and I don't have to read anymore. Thanks You SIR.
No. But the guy used to sell Joss West and other high end cues.
I think most people who would post a sales thread with all of these catchy over-used phrases knows that they only have a marginal help in selling the cue. However, a marginal help is still offering a little more chance to sell a cue in these crappy economic times.
Anyone who 'really' knows cues (as in most people posting in this section of the forums) understand that 'This cue hits a ton' is either a load of bull, or at best one players personal opinion of how the cue plays for their style and taste.
Those who may be more novice on cues, but are tempted by the pictures and the aesthetics of the cue, may be swayed by some popular catch phrases. Especially if they come from one of the more respected sellers on the forums. Personally I’m a member of the this group, but I’m not swayed by catchy phrases thankfully. However if I spend enough time in this section of the forums, I hope to eventually be closer to the first group of people on these forums.
At least so far I havent seen anyone try to brag about the wrap saying "It is not only leather, it's Corinthian leather!"
Anyone who 'really' knows cues (as in most people posting in this section of the forums) understand that 'This cue hits a ton' is either a load of bull, or at best one players personal opinion of how the cue plays for their style and taste.
Those who may be more novice on cues, but are tempted by the pictures and the aesthetics of the cue, may be swayed by some popular catch phrases. Especially if they come from one of the more respected sellers on the forums. Personally I’m a member of the this group, but I’m not swayed by catchy phrases thankfully. However if I spend enough time in this section of the forums, I hope to eventually be closer to the first group of people on these forums.
At least so far I havent seen anyone try to brag about the wrap saying "It is not only leather, it's Corinthian leather!"