Is the range of movement somehow shorter when going from CB to OB,...?
EYE PATTERN “Best Practices” … Cue Ball or Object Ball Focus Last?
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I posted this without viewing thorough Lee.
First thing I notice is the commentary by Stephen Hendry is a pleasant bonus. No talk on topic but bits of wisdom like gold nuggets that are for the taking.
Now at 13:37 I find a good look at Ronnie's eyes on the break off.
It just dawned on me that Stephen working with the production would allow him access to camera footage that's not used in the broadcast. Perhaps that could lead to his statement that Ronnie does the same as he does.
Just speculation 
at 13:37 I will wager gets diametrically opposed judgement calls. We shall see. here is a pic from that linkI posted this without viewing thorough Lee.
First thing I notice is the commentary by Stephen Hendry is a pleasant bonus. No talk on topic but bits of wisdom like gold nuggets that are for the taking.
Now at 13:37 I find a good look at Ronnie's eyes on the break off.
It just dawned on me that Stephen working with the production would allow him access to camera footage that's not used in the broadcast. Perhaps that could lead to his statement that Ronnie does the same as he does.
i played it at slow motion and this pic is as the cue starts to move forward
looks to me he is looking at the red not the white(cue ball )
Why would you think that?
No one has perfect mechanics
I just remembered a story A true story at that.In high-school physics class (late 60s) our text book had an illustration that showed why a spinning ball in flight curved. It had it bass akwards though. No telling how long that had been taught at least in our physics class. Being the catcher and a pitcher on the baseball team gave me the experience and knowledge (not opinion) that the text book had it wrong. Our physics teacher then gave me the task of explaining WHY. Not sure if I got it right as to why but I certainly knew which way a curveball went. The fact that a 4 seam fastball had more hop than a 2 seam fastball was helpful in my hypothesis that the teacher accepted. He didn't play baseball but he did encourage critical thinking and questioning authority.
How did I do Dr?
Increase in air pressure might be involved is my second guess.
She hasn’t missed a ball in 12 years.
She hasn’t missed a ball in 12 years.
She hasn’t missed a ball in 12 years.
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Me too. After 50+ years of object ball last, as a senior player trying to hang on to my game, I’m experiencing success with cue ball last the last few years.
I can confirm the precise location I’m striking the cue ball and just as important for me I can confirm the shaft following through straight down the target line. When I know I’ve done it correctly, there is no need to look up as I know the ball is going in the pocket.
Moe Szyslak
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Have you accepted CBL as your Lord and Saviour?
Moe Szyslak
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Was this arrow showing where the ladies (and some gentlemen) in the audience's eyes are focused??
Our non denomination services commenced at 11 AM every Sunday. We called it The Church of the Rolling 9 Ball. Uninitiated called it a tavern.
So try CB last, maybe it works, maybe not, easy to find out. Works for me. I hope nobody else tries it
CBL people should obviously also give OBL a good college try since it offers slight advantages, as listed and discussed in the video.
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What is good for you may not be good for me.
Try this little experiment, I have.
Set up 5 everyday routine shots at 3ft to object ball and 3ft to the pocket with a dead straight shot as 1 of them.
A total of 6 ft .
Hit each shot with left, right , follow, draw and punch.
Hit each shot using both methods NEVER watching the object ball enter the pocket.
The best way to do this is close your eyes as soon as the tip strikes the cue ball. Immediately, no hesitation, not looking at the follow through, nothing.
Don’t fool yourself for a millisecond close them immediately or you’re wasting your time.
DO NOT WATCH THE OBJECT BALL ENTER THE POCKET YOU WILL HEAR IT OR NOT.
Post your results for further study of mankind.
Try this little experiment, I have.
Set up 5 everyday routine shots at 3ft to object ball and 3ft to the pocket with a dead straight shot as 1 of them.
A total of 6 ft .
Hit each shot with left, right , follow, draw and punch.
Hit each shot using both methods NEVER watching the object ball enter the pocket.
The best way to do this is close your eyes as soon as the tip strikes the cue ball. Immediately, no hesitation, not looking at the follow through, nothing.
Don’t fool yourself for a millisecond close them immediately or you’re wasting your time.
DO NOT WATCH THE OBJECT BALL ENTER THE POCKET YOU WILL HEAR IT OR NOT.
Post your results for further study of mankind.
I gave CBL a college try and it’s just strange. OBL for-life here. And whenever my mechanics seem to go awry, nothing makes them sharpen up than a conscious effort on eye pattern and focusing on the OBL.
The only times CBL makes sense to me is massé/jumping but those will not be in my repetoire any time soon.
Or maybe shots where the OB is less than 3” away or kicking, but pretty sure I’m looking through the CB anyway.
The only times CBL makes sense to me is massé/jumping but those will not be in my repetoire any time soon.
Or maybe shots where the OB is less than 3” away or kicking, but pretty sure I’m looking through the CB anyway.
Well it's been years since I did that. It took me a long time to make the switch so I have avoided looking back. There was a no man's land period. Even after making the Leap of Faith there was a temptation to go back to the proven method of object ball last. Nothing worse than indecision for me.
Ronnie's answer of, "it could be either" when asked which ball last was over a decade ago. I can't switch back and forth without getting confused. Ronnie's super human abilities on the table just might include the either way ability.
Okay I tried it for the first time in years and .....it still works just fine. Whew and my brain didn't turn to mush.
The shot making is the same and cueball Fine control is the advantage for me. A very slight but significant advantage.
So "If it ain't broke don't fix it comes to mind."Judd Trump started cueball last and an early coach convinced him to switch. It worked pretty good for him. I have been searching recent videos of Judd with bait on my breath. His expression when Stephen Hendry told him of his method was uh well wistful. So ever since that discussion I have watched Judd closely at every opportunity. At first I noticed slight evidence of the no man's land I had experienced in making the transition. Now I am seeing (what I think is) more precisely placed cueball in his play. Gotta wonder if he's gone back. I have observed slight indicators but nothing definite yet. For sure if I find it I will be providing a look, whatever way it is.
I like CB-last if CB is really close/froze to rail. I'm more concerned about quality contact on those shots. Other than that i'm OB all the way.