EYE PATTERN “Best Practices” … Cue Ball or Object Ball Focus Last?
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I never thought of that.
What's your definition for easy? 9 out of 10?Duck at a distance. It required little more than speed. Isn't that how Trump shoots anyway? 12' and little balls - you don't need Bob Jewett to do the math.Got a good look at Judds eyes at the 10:40 mark. Looks like my hypothesis was wrong.
Time to get out the video cam and see which one I actually do look at last.It never ceases to amaze me, the passion that the discussion can evoke. I have only seen that with the object ball last faction though. Obviously both methods can produce good results. The cueball last players seem to be a little more coy regarding their method. Sort of like why interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake. Oops that's tongue in cheek.
In my input I strive to relate My experience. I realize and embrace the fact that cueball last is a minority. My study however shows the ranks of Greatest are populated by The Minority.
My study of the results achieved indicates that the final resting place for the cueball can be more precisely controlled with the final focus on the tip/ball at impact.
Soooo my position is, Experiment, try it and see what works best for you. Of course a valid Experiment needs to eliminate or allow for bias. I am aware that looking for confirmation isn't the same as looking for the truth.
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That's a faulty representation. Well it doesn't make sense to me as a player that brings final focus to the white at impact. The focus on the strike to the white stays with the cueball as it starts to move. The representation of "looking up" is not accurate. The focus stays on the white in it's journey. A simple task at the speed the cueball moves. My experience and accomplishments playing baseball and table tennis, proof my ability to follow a moving target with my eyes. In pool following The , well My target after impact is pretty easy. It's collision with the object ball is secondary. My fine focus on the white as it travels leads me to Seeing the impact between cueball and object to the degree that I can see the rotation of the object ball as it starts to move. Another feedback.
Where I want the cueball to go and how I want it to get there is all sorted while standing.
The rotation or lack thereof as the cueball departs my tip is observed and important feedback. In the event of a mishap (such as a misscue) the focus on the colision provides critical evidence. Knowledge is more easily attained.
The path desired and the path attained are easily compared and more data regarding variation from plan and end results is valuable.Tolerances are critical and variable. The tighter the tolerance the more precise the strike to the white needs to be. Jump shots and masse shots are at one end of the spectrum. Hanging money ball at the other end. Snooker provides a larger field with smaller targets, making precision a huge factor. The camera work makes observing John Higgins a profitable endeavor. Well if you are interested in the eye patterns of the top players.
In close I consider my scorecard for top in 3 cue sports, pool snooker and billiards.
Pool; Jayson Shaw Just set a new straight pool record. Cueball last.
Snooker; Stephen Hendry held more records than any, well until Ronnie came along. Cueball last. Ronnie O'Sullivan well, "it could be either" is the statement from Ronnie but it's over a decade old along with instruction to beginner of object ball last, from 12 years ago.
Billiards; Willie Hoppe, player of the century, Cueball last.
I find those GOAT methods more significant than the Most players methods.
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My latest improvement runs parallel ....no make that primer to the basketball coaching. The saying out loud is probably more powerful than just thinking it, but thinking my mantra yields good improvement. Her sight focus is an interesting and promising addition to my Through the Window mantra that comes from the M C Esher image.
My youtube sent me to this video next.
The weight is best left to my subconscious. As long as I follow My prescribed dance. Do the calculations standing etc. The cueball just gets there.
Oh gosh it feels good.My earlier post said:
Sight focus as I begin the dance and move to set the shooting platform. Through the window as soon as I am sighting down the cue to the white.
Oh that feels good.
Sight Focus
Through the Window
Yeah!!! is my favorite follow up. oooops still happens as a follow up, just not as often.
Through the Window
Yeah!!! is my favorite follow up. oooops still happens as a follow up, just not as often.
I don't think there is any question concerning the benefits of the quiet eye in almost any endeavor. Somebody was espousing the benefit of looking at the object ball on the forward stroke and the cue ball on the back stroke when doing your practice strokes. I tried it a few times, in granted pretty brief efforts I decided it didn't work for me. My focus never really settled on either ball.
I think stopping your gaze, even looking at nothing at all, is superior to sending a stream of changing signals to the brain. The pause at the height of your backstroke would no doubt be beneficial to people using this eye pattern because it gives your brain something to lock on even if only for a moment or three. Just a side note, I don't advocate a pause at the end of a backstroke. Seems to me that it divides your practice strokes and final stroke eliminating much of the benefits of practice strokes. A smooth transition seems to me to be the better option.
Feels silly at first but saying something is many times more powerful than just thinking it. Writing it with pen or pencil is more powerful than thinking it and I believe more powerful than saying it. Remember the teachers making people write lines in school? If they wrote them one line at a time instead of columns and hiring other students and such it was a bit of brain washing to go along with punishment.
I felt silly doing it but one of the things I did when pounding in beliefs was talk to myself in mirrors. I made it a rule every time I was alone and passed a mirror.
Some ways of communicating with yourself are more powerful than others and communicating multiple ways, as many as possible, is more powerful than communicating a single way. While thinking is the weakest way I know of, it is better than nothing especially when looking yourself in the eye in a mirror. Folks thought I had gotten vain all of a sudden when I always stopped and looked in the mirror. After repeating what I was working on three or five times with conviction at conversational speed I would whip out a comb to conceal what I was really doing.
Some people have a list of affirmations they go through each time they work on mental improvement. I found it better to work on things one at a time even if I had a list. Better to repeat one thing five times than five things once or a few times.
There are some things that you can lift yourself up by your bootstraps to improve or as I said, fake it until you make it!
A side note, times were rough, things were hard. My sales at my business were way down. So was everyone else's. For a few months I bitched and moaned just like everyone else including most of my customers that owned businesses also. Then one day I said enough already. When people asked me how business was going I always said it was doing good or great! I was met with almost universal disbelief but I stuck to my guns. Three or four weeks of this and my business was picking up noticeably. Six weeks and I was back to normal while my competitors were still hurting for months. A few years later we went into another of those local economic slumps. I didn't waste any time proclaiming all good at my business. Soon it was while my competition was still in a slump for months and months again. Once again a matter of faking it until you make it!
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Oh wow, that strikes a chord.
Thats bass akwards. Well in my school. Looking at the object ball on the forward stroke can result in a bump to whitey and ball in hand to opponent. I sure hope that is just a typo.
The whole presentation is still Platinum.
Study Plan
Sight Aim
Through the Window
Would be My Whole E Trinity.
Gotta wonder why I attended Trinity High School. Class of 69. Whoop Pee.
Sight Aim
Through the Window
Would be My Whole E Trinity.
Gotta wonder why I attended Trinity High School. Class of 69. Whoop Pee.
Excuse me I am just writing all this stuff here in case I forget tomorrow. Old Timers and meds is my excuse.
Not sure which this but perhaps my pause at the backstroke the computer is just giving the eyes a place to rest. At the pause (well for me) is the final ass says mint and the fire at will given to the ring finger.
Put one right through that window....well that was with thrown rocks as a kid. Still my final thought as it has so many successful strikes. Oooops I never got busted. hope my Karma account is on the plus side, by now.
Still my final thought as it has so many successful strikes. Oooops I never got busted. hope my Karma account is on the plus side, by now.
Even Ronnie gets up off the pause, on occasion. Not much of a pause usually.