Eye Pattern Before Shooting

If you throw a dart, do you look at the bullseye or the hand holding the dart?

That is a bad analogy because darts is a one motion game while pool is a 2+ motion game. A better analogy would be putting, in golf, because you have something hitting a ball that hits a target. Rarely would a golfer look at the target (the hole) rather than the ball. In pool it is even more complicated than that, because you have something (cue) hitting something else (cue ball), which hits something else (object ball) and goes into the target. And in 3C forget it, there are targets all over the place in the course of a single shot.

The other problem with your dart analogy is that almost every precision sport tells you to keep your head still. You would have a hard time even hitting the dartboard if your head was moving enough to focus on the dart. The implication of the still head is that you cannot have your focus be something that causes you to move your head - which explains why you do not look at the dart.
 
Actually no... our experience comes directly from contact, and discussion with opthamologists (eye doctors), neurologists (brain doctors) and kinesiologists (muscle doctors). along with information from the Quiet Eye Study. That, coupled with thousands of students' positive experiences supported what we teach. I agree with some of what you said. Certainly looking at the OB last is prudent on most shots. Exceptions are the break, kick, jump and masse' shots. Look at the CB last on these shots. Until I see a sideview of what you're doing when you pot balls, I can't make any determination on your skill level, other than what you alluded to. While I don't try to think so highly of myself, I am a professional instructor, with 30+ years of experience, and thousands of students who have been helped by working with me. Your qualifications?

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Huh? I got all these from books. So do you right? It can't be that you do all those eye studies yourself, I am pretty sure. So, we pick from books and discuss here. If it is based on experience, all of us have experience one way or another. I probably can pot balls with english more accurately than many members here. So, please do not put others down and think so highly of yourself.

At least I am being honest. How many of those that gave their advice admitted to being professionals? Are they? Why don't you qualify them first.

Looking at object ball last is from Jimmy White. I bought his book and I am just passing his knowledge here.

And if you pay attention, you will see Chezka looking at only the object ball intently when she stoop down for the shot.

Ok, thanks pro.
 
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I think I've always looked at the object ball last when I break throughout the years. I may have to try looking at the cue ball last to see if I notice a difference.
 
Certainly looking at the OB last is prudent on most shots. Exceptions are the break, kick, jump and masse' shots. Look at the CB last on these shots.
Scott,

Personally, I have better accuracy and consistency with the break when I look at the 1-ball last and really push my follow through straight to this target. I suspect this might be the case for others also.

Regards,
Dave
 
Scott,

Personally, I have better accuracy and consistency with the break when I look at the 1-ball last and really push my follow through straight to this target. I suspect this might be the case for others also.

Regards,
Dave
Same for me. For a long time I was looking at the cue ball last when breaking, but was having a hard time making solid consistent contact with the 1. I started looking at my target last and started pocketing more balls on the break. That may not be the case for everyone, but it's worth trying.

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Scott,



Personally, I have better accuracy and consistency with the break when I look at the 1-ball last and really push my follow through straight to this target. I suspect this might be the case for others also.



Regards,

Dave



In your recent stuff with SVB's break, did you check his eye pattern?
 
Dave...and I maintain that looking at the CB last on shots like the break, a kick, a jump or a masse' are better for the majority of players. I will say that doing things the same way is most important, whether it's a PEP or anything else in your PSRs.

Not sure why you would say "push my followthrough straight to the target". Extended followthrough adds no benefit to the end result. As you know, contact is a quarter of an eye blink (1/1000th of a second).

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott,

Personally, I have better accuracy and consistency with the break when I look at the 1-ball last and really push my follow through straight to this target. I suspect this might be the case for others also.

Regards,
Dave
 
Dave...and I maintain that looking at the CB last on shots like the break, a kick, a jump or a masse' are better for the majority of players.
I would agree with this for the jump and masse', but not the break. I have seen many top breakers focus on the 1-ball during their final stroke. Also, switching the focus from the CB to the 1-ball has certainly helped me and other people I have helped with the break.

I will say that doing things the same way is most important, whether it's a PEP or anything else in your PSRs.
I certainly agree with this 100%.

Not sure why you would say "push my follow-through straight to the target". Extended follow-through adds no benefit to the end result. As you know, contact is a quarter of an eye blink (1/1000th of a second).
I agree that follow through has no "direct" effect on a shot, but the follow-through is a strong indicator of what happens during the stroke into the ball. For more info, see the follow-through resource page.

Striving for a complete and straight follow-through can help some players generate more speed into the CB during the break and do so more accurately and consistently. I generally don't recommend elbow drop with most shots (unless a player has always done it and can do so with accuracy, control, and consistency). However, with the break shot, elbow drop and shoulder motion is key for most top breakers for the reasons I describe and demonstrate in detail in the following videos:

NV D.14 - Pool Break Technique Advice - from Vol-III of the Billiard University instructional DVD series

NV H.5 - Shane Van Boening Break Technique Analysis by Dr. Dave

For those interested, more info can be found on the break technique resource page.

Regards,
Dave
 
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