Fans and Vendors on the ABP boycott of Behrman events

ABPpros said:
I dont think Accu stats is considering Barry owes him money.
In fact, I think Mark Grifin negotiated a deal for TAR and for Diamond in the US Open 9. That is probably why JUstin and Mark have been so critical of the pros and ABP.
They have an agenda and this obviosuly affects them. We dont blame them for trying.
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Are they trying, or doing?

From what I've seen lately I would go with doing.
Can the ABP say the same? Maybe you should sit back and take notes. You all are coming across like a clique, rather than a association.
 
Inside Information ABP Boycott affects Mark Griffin and TAR

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justnum said:
How does the ABP boycott effect other pool promoters like Mark Griffin and TAR?

The ABP boycott of the US Open event....... BLAH BLAH BLAH
[The Source of this information was the ABPpro.]
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Does the ABPpro know he is using the modern day pocketpoint as his go between on the forum????
 
Like I have been saying...If there is any cable deal it wouldn't matter which pro's show up to play none of them are a household name in any state in the USA. It would be the first time most the people watching ever saw pool on TV before.

So you could show anyone, and claim anything, and the spin would win the minds of the viewers. (Here he is now Mr. Pool himself the one the only true master of the pool table Jerry Forsyth) In about 100 bars in the USA some SELF retired "pro's" would be say something like, "BS this is BS, that guy isn't so great." Meanwhile millions of people would be captivated by the truth on the TV box.
 
justnum said:
When you have questions you should get a source. That requires meeting people and talking to them, not boring them with unrelated questions.

I won't be your source. I write.

Try writing, or getting a source, there are so many opportunities in today's economy.

Check your department of labor, they can give you referrals.
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When making a tin foil hat you must have foil. I'm sure you know other methods for accomplishing the task. But in the end it always comes back to the foil.
 
Neil said:
You are exactly right! But, the current pros THINK they are celebrities and can demand things.:rolleyes: Why are most of the pros broke? Because they are so little known that they can't even get a sponsor! That's where the only real money is at. They need look no farther than Jeanette Lee.
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I am gonna go buy a Cuetec tomorrow so I can start shooting with it now. I am gonna use it at the US Open and hopefully land SVB's sponsorship because I cant forsee any sponsor keeping someone whom refuses to play in a Major event.
 
It's amazing to me what the ABP is saying about the promotors. They have basically taken a shit on pool in America. If Barry, Zuglan, and Mark/Greg decide that it isn't worth the trouble to deal with the players, there is no more American tournaments.

I hope these players have a great plan to play overseas, because it looks like they have no problem with pool dying here. They stated in another thread that they would have no problem with the US Open going away and that there are much better promotors in other countries. Mark Griffin has already stated that he is considering not running professional tournaments which, by the way, eliminates at least 5-6 (bar table championships - 3 tourneys, Swanee, US Open 10 ball, US Open One Pocket, etc).

As it is, there are only 3-4 guys who can afford to travel to these tournaments abroad. Good luck getting the funding fellas because pretty soon your minimum nut is going to be $5,000+.
 
ABPpros said:
I dont think Accu stats is considering Barry owes him money.
In fact, I think Mark Grifin negotiated a deal for TAR and for Diamond in the US Open 9. That is probably why JUstin and Mark have been so critical of the pros and ABP.
They have an agenda and this obviosuly affects them. We dont blame them for trying.
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You obviously know as much about this topic as you do negotiations and public relations.

Last I looked Diamond has been at the Open for a minute and has a previous contract that covers this years event. As for Mark negotiating for TAR to be there you once again show your ignorance. If whoever wrote this would like to be man enough to actually sign it I will be more than happy to prove that ignorance to you by telling you the entire story. By the way we will not be streaming the US Open 9 Ball. Another one you got wrong.

If you think I have been critical of the ABP you really have some very thin skin. Just to show you how impartial I am I will give the ABP the best advice they will ever get. Stop posting. You are only hurting your cause.

You went out of your way to get personal with that post. The least you could do is sign it.

Justin Collett
 
ABP and bad info

ABPpros said:
I dont think Accu stats is considering Barry owes him money.
In fact, I think Mark Grifin negotiated a deal for TAR and for Diamond in the US Open 9. That is probably why JUstin and Mark have been so critical of the pros and ABP.
They have an agenda and this obviosuly affects them. We dont blame them for trying.
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Whichever ABP pro wrote this -- you are so far wrong it is ridiculous.
Mark griffin did NOT negotiate any deal for TAR to do the US Open.
Diamond has had a contract in place for several years to do the US Open.

You have some nerve to put this bullish*t out there when it is pure fiction.
Until you put a name OB this post you do not even warrant any response.

I have not been critical of the ABP and the pros. I have been critical of Charlie Williams on a few issues. (more world titles and hall of fame)

You need to understand something. You said this was about getting paid by Barry Behrman - but really this is about seeding and new rules.

You do not seem to understand that it cannot be BCA points and have your new rules.

Someone needs to do their homework. I have offered on several occasions to assist in resolving this stalemate between Behrman and the players and instead you put out total fabrications.

Nice move - you keep digging. As far as I am concerned until you put a name on your post you do not exist.

Mark griffin
 
Not sure how much that stock will be worth once the TV network learns none of the top players are coming. I dont think Accu-Stats would want to spend time and money to film unknown players
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They won't be unknown players for long. If you guys are a no show, someone is going to win the title.
Other than Earl Strickland (and ES isn't a member) and Efren, the rest of the players on the PBA
are basically unknowns. Ask anyone who Shwan Putnam or Rodney Morris is.
They are going to shrug their shoulders.
And if the PBA is also going to boycott the Mosconi if Earl wins a place, I'd
venture a guess and say that their will be a few more unknowns on the team.

Sorry, the PBA posts just reek of self entitlement and ego stroking.

When you hit Brad Pitt status, let us know, OK.
 
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justnum said:
There have been adamant denials about any business negotiations stated between Justin from actionroom, Mark Griffin and Barry. It seems the business climate has changed to unfavorable due to the failure of Barry to maintain his client relations with the ABP players. Hopefully this hiccup does send out ripples to amateur players that might think they should protect themselves against another USPPA failure or a tournament that under reports their profits.

What is still to be seen is if the ABP method of hardball tactics wins Barry over. If it works then amateur players might follow suit because to this day the USPPA is blaming their financial problems on the economy (USPPA is a amateur tour event, that took in prize money, ran the event, but didn't pay out at all).

We are in the formative stages of a new generation of billiard players, savvy to hardball tactics and organized to implement those tactics. So far they have given Barry a probationary period of the past year which Barry failed. They issued a press release and gave an interview to runout radio. Barry is behind the times, he hasn't organized his management team to deliver an alternative to the players negotiations, in his interview he cites his policy as a work in progress. It is clear Barry has not working while his events are not in production mode because he failed to see this coming he stated in the interview. The players were reinforcing the idea that Barry had this year to make good on old promises. But if Barry couldn't see a boycott coming what else can't he see during these uncertain and unfavorable economic times. The only people with a vision to this date are the ABP players. Barry has mentioned talks about other deals, but other business parties are stating that no deals will be negotiated or are being negotiated.

This new leadership of billiard players might motivate amateurs to protect themselves against unreliable tournament producers. But what has been stated is all deals are off the table regarding Barry and Mark and Justin.
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If there was a god in heaven the earth would open up and swallow your non-sensical ass. Where exactly did I say there were no negotiations? Face it. You are talking out of your ass and have no idea as to what has really taken place or is going on behind the scenes.
 
JCIN said:
If there was a god in heaven the earth would open up and swallow your non-sensical ass. Where exactly did I say there were no negotiations? Face it. You are talking out of your ass and have no idea as to what has really taken place or is going on behind the scenes.
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I believe most of what is said is people talking out of their ass. I know I don't have an inside connection to the pool world. I have opinions, but those opinions are limited to the facts that I have been presented with. My opinion may change as new things come out, probably making me look stupid occasionally.

How can anyone presume to know what happened, if anything, between Justin and anyone else unless they were there when/if it happened. If you were not there, everything else is hearsay. Hell, even if you were there, your opinion is still clouded by your perceptions and judgement.
 
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