Fargo Caps = The dumbing down of pool
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Sorry boys, I lost track of my own thread and didn't read past the first few days. If I have time later, I'll catch back up.
The odds of my being that far east are slim. I am an hour from Vegas and not big money. Just recreation. Whatever is comfortable or what I have in my pocket. Tonight it's....uh?I have no idea what your number is, but I'll play you if you are ever in Atlanta or Philadelphia area. You can even use center ball every shot, and I can spin the rock every shotMy number is pretty low at 570, I'm closer to a banger than a champion.
Well in the flash and fumble pocket there's 2 10s a 5 and 6 ones. I am flashing memory of Vince Frain walking behind Harry and collecting the ones that were falling from the leg of his sweat pants. Hundreds that is. Chummings.
Oh yea and in the vault I have...uh er, uh. 200.
more than I thought. Hardly worth the trip. There was a time that I made sure I had at least a thousand on me. Never had to use it but it was available just in case somebody got out of line.
Oops well I sure don't remember calling you out but perhaps? Perhaps a name other than Maha would shiver me timbers. Better go see what's up, wait Better still Oregon is still do able for me....
Your name isn't Kenny Dodd is it?
Oh, I was at the International Open all week. They had mini tournaments that were capped at a few different ranges. (From memory) Open (no cap), 650 and under, 575 and under, 500 and under. I'm a 570, so of course I entered the 575 and under. It was tailor made for me
They were 8 man fields, single elimination, race to 3. As soon as 8 people signed up, they would start a tournament. I entered 4 times, got second place (cashed) twice. The other two times the same guy beat me in the second round. I actually played like garbage all 4 tournaments.
Not bad, out of 4 events, second twice, and made a small profit overall.
This is a great example of me having a big benefit because I was immediately under the cap. Now imagine if the vast majority of events nationwide were 575 and under. I could probably quit my dayjob, drive from spot to spot all over the country, cash in every event, pick up all the hot chicks, and be a hero, simply because my "suckiness" of 570 is immediately under a nice and pretty arbitrary number.
They were 8 man fields, single elimination, race to 3. As soon as 8 people signed up, they would start a tournament. I entered 4 times, got second place (cashed) twice. The other two times the same guy beat me in the second round. I actually played like garbage all 4 tournaments.
Not bad, out of 4 events, second twice, and made a small profit overall.
This is a great example of me having a big benefit because I was immediately under the cap. Now imagine if the vast majority of events nationwide were 575 and under. I could probably quit my dayjob, drive from spot to spot all over the country, cash in every event, pick up all the hot chicks, and be a hero, simply because my "suckiness" of 570 is immediately under a nice and pretty arbitrary number.
Oh, I was at the International Open all week. They had mini tournaments that were capped at a few different ranges. (From memory) Open (no cap), 650 and under, 575 and under, 500 and under. I'm a 570, so of course I entered the 575 and under. It was tailor made for me
They were 8 man fields, single elimination, race to 3. As soon as 8 people signed up, they would start a tournament. I entered 4 times, got second place (cashed) twice. The other two times the same guy beat me in the second round. I actually played like garbage all 4 tournaments.
Not bad, out of 4 events, second twice, and made a small profit overall.
This is a great example of me having a big benefit because I was immediately under the cap. Now imagine if the vast majority of events nationwide were 575 and under. I could probably quit my dayjob, drive from spot to spot all over the country, cash in every event, pick up all the hot chicks, and be a hero, simply because my "suckiness" of 570 is immediately under a nice and pretty arbitrary number.
There were hot chicks there?
Lou Figueroa
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Nothing like playing a race to 5 and being ahead 4-3 and then... The lady I was playing won that game to make it 4-4 and I, not knowing of the handicap, said something like "hill hill" and she reaches over to shake and says good game.
I get that a lot of times there are ladies who want to play who aren't as strong of players but it's silly to be based on gender only. We have several ladies that have won state events and such that play to 1 less than the men, even if the guy they are playing is a literal beginner. It isn't a huge deal to me but it seems a terribly arbitrary way to handicap a tournament.
I don't have problems with handicapping in general but it needs to be based somewhat on skill, not what's between your legs.
I know this thread isn't about me but I will complain one more time about pool purgatory. Historically, if you were to look up the definition of an amateur -- I would fit the definition to a T. I haven't rubbed elbows with the big boys hardly at all in my playing days. Heck, I've never even put my time in within any of the amateur leagues. I've played a few sessions of BCAPL and Valley. I guess I'm not the textbook definition, since I'm probably closer to a hobbyist. Pool pretty much has never been number one on my priority list except for maybe a year or so.Oh, I was at the International Open all week. They had mini tournaments that were capped at a few different ranges. (From memory) Open (no cap), 650 and under, 575 and under, 500 and under. I'm a 570, so of course I entered the 575 and under. It was tailor made for me
They were 8 man fields, single elimination, race to 3. As soon as 8 people signed up, they would start a tournament. I entered 4 times, got second place (cashed) twice. The other two times the same guy beat me in the second round. I actually played like garbage all 4 tournaments.
Not bad, out of 4 events, second twice, and made a small profit overall.
This is a great example of me having a big benefit because I was immediately under the cap. Now imagine if the vast majority of events nationwide were 575 and under. I could probably quit my dayjob, drive from spot to spot all over the country, cash in every event, pick up all the hot chicks, and be a hero, simply because my "suckiness" of 570 is immediately under a nice and pretty arbitrary number.
So had I gone to the International I would have been Fargo blocked out of everything (670 FR) except the professional events where I would be complete dead money. So we are approaching a time where a lot of hobbyists and amateurs are being squeezed out of amateur pool. That's pretty bizarre.
Curios where your fr games come from? You must be playing trnmnts or sallotto ?
Just local tourneys. I still have low robustness. Barely over 200 games.
Open trnmnts? Fr capped,handicapped?
Oh, I was at the International Open all week. They had mini tournaments that were capped at a few different ranges. (From memory) Open (no cap), 650 and under, 575 and under, 500 and under. I'm a 570, so of course I entered the 575 and under. It was tailor made for me
Exactly where I sit as well and my gripe with how caps are usually generated. So at the international they have 4 ranges. <500, span of 75 to 575, another span of 75 to 650, and then those who have a inkling of success are forced to play against literal world beaters...lol. However I think it safe to say that the vast majority of those at the open that were also likely to play in minis while there would land within the 500 to 650 range.
I'm sure Mr Page will pop in to say that a span of 75 is the same difference in ability regardless of where they land on the scale. However, the odds of a 500 beating a 575 are in orders of magnitude higher than a 650 beating a 725. We can forget about a 650 matching up with a ~800...lol
Still not a fargo problem though.
Mainly open I think. May be some league data from years ago when I played a session. I've played in a couple Fargo capped events over the years, that were capped to keep out the one local pro. I really don't play much, which is why I don't have much data.
You seem quite curious. Is there a point you're hoping to make here?
You said there were no trnmnts , and you don't play league so I was curious how you got a fr.
I have seen the "wasteland" that players of your speed experience.
I figured you were inching towards making such a point
I didn't use the word "wasteland". Not sure who you're quoting there in your response to me.
I believe good to really great amateurs are slowly being squeezed out. It's not really a new problem due to Fargo Ratings. It's just more clearly defined now.
And yes -- I can still find places to play if I ever get out of my basement. It's a squeeze not a ban.
League pool may have changed everything, but I wouldn't say it ruined anything. Is there something wrong with enjoying a game (any game) but not having the desire or drive to be the best? If so, then every game, not just pool, is ruined. All league pool does is give those people, who vastly outnumber those with the ability, desire, and drive (ADD - ha!) to be the best, more structure under which to play. Flag football didn't ruin everything, softball leagues didn't ruin everything, golf leagues didn't ruin golf. The list goes on and on. Perhaps if APA and similar leagues were more willing to turn people away on ability alone (APA is VERY reluctant to tell someone "You're just too good." It wouldn't bother me a bit if the upper exclusion point was the point at which one reaches the highest skill level. I'd miss most of them because most are good people, but I could get behind graduating them out of the APA system) and other organizations (including those who just do tournaments) were willing to set a minimum level of ability required to participate, a whole structure of organizations with progressively larger entries and pots could be built and provide those with ADD the incentive and the avenues to develop their skills.
no one gets squeezed out if they are handicapped right and get or give the appropriate spot to the other player to give that player an or close to an equal chance of winning the match up.
and or
make it so there is a much higher element of luck in the matches, so the outcomes are less determined.
and or
make it so there is a much higher element of luck in the matches, so the outcomes are less determined.
I wasn't quoting anyone. I was referring to the few trnmnts available to players of your fr up to about 740. They are amateurs amongst the pros and barred from other trnmnts.I figured you were inching towards making such a point
I didn't use the word "wasteland". Not sure who you're quoting there in your response to me.
I believe good to really great amateurs are slowly being squeezed out. It's not really a new problem due to Fargo Ratings. It's just more clearly defined now.
And yes -- I can still find places to play if I ever get out of my basement. It's a squeeze not a ban.
League is like comparing pickleball to tennis....there is no comparison. I don't/won't compromise.
Does that make me a dinosaur?
Not able to sit with the cool kids at lunch?
Maybe
I may be cazy, but I'm not gonna get excited about paying money every week to play a race to 5 for a 5 inch trophy.