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Well the fact is the Fargo can't predict the dog one player might be a much different player in matches with zero meaning while others are able to play better when the stakes are higher seen it a hundred times , I know of more than one can't play a lick in a tourny but is a monster player for money ,

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Or vise-versa even more so!!!
 
Life happens. If two players are going to match up then I suppose they will want to use all available information INCLUDING Fargo Ratings. Fargo doesn't replace subjective assessment, it merely adds a layer of objectivity. A method that has been tested extensively for years before every being released to the world at large.

I promise you in a battle of wits I would bet millions on Mike Page against 99.99% of people on Earth. There is no way that Fargo Rate is here without thousands of hours already being invested in making it work right.

How people end up using it is on them. Certainly better than this IMO.

Now that's funny stuff right there can't wait to see how long it takes to get one in my neighborhood

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Life happens. If two players are going to match up then I suppose they will want to use all available information INCLUDING Fargo Ratings. Fargo doesn't replace subjective assessment, it merely adds a layer of objectivity. A method that has been tested extensively for years before every being released to the world at large.



I promise you in a battle of wits I would bet millions on Mike Page against 99.99% of people on Earth. There is no way that Fargo Rate is here without thousands of hours already being invested in making it work right.



How people end up using it is on them. Certainly better than this IMO.



Unfortunately they don't know Mike's or Steve's backgrounds. They test continually


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John, often you and I don't agree but in this case; as I said earlier, IMHO you Def showed a lot of heart when it came to the Lou match. I'm really not sure at all how anyone that knows ANYTHING about pool and gambling could see it any other way.

I know. Thanks. Lou wants to have it both ways. He wants to act like he hustled me and I had no chance and so it was just stupidity that caused me to play him. Or he wants us all to believe that I was delusional and should have known I had no chance.

Either way it was still heart and a lot of it to bet my own against someone that was either even or possibly better than me. Lou wouldn't understand as he has no heart - AT ALL -

In a 400 mile radius around him NO ONE wants to gamble with him because they all consider him to be a major major major nit. That was my experience in the months leading up to the match any time I came across anyone who had the sour experience of gambling with him.

In contrast - just after SBE we stopped in Pittsburgh and I played a local player $50 a game on two tables at the same time - lost $400 and bet it all on one final game...dogged it but had a shot. That kind of heart is something Lou will never experience in his life.
 
Well the fact is the Fargo can't predict the dog one player might be a much different player in matches with zero meaning while others are able to play better when the stakes are higher seen it a hundred times , I know of more than one can't play a lick in a tourny but is a monster player for money ,

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How many times must it be said?

Fargo is a R-A-T-I-N-G tool, not a prediction tool.
 
How many times must it be said?

Fargo is a R-A-T-I-N-G tool, not a prediction tool.

Well it's sort of a prediction tool in the sense that the accuracy of the ratings lies in how close a player performs to the expected performance that his rating suggests he is at.

We just had a cool round robin which Mike Page introduced. 8 players and each set was five games. Not a race to five, five games. So each player played 35 games and the fargo rating had an expected win amount for each player.

Payouts were based on who outperformed their expectation the most.

I was expected to win 21 games and I won 25 so I ended up winning because I had the best performance over my expectation.

A local shortstop was expected to win 25 and he won 26.

So that type of tournament clearly uses Fargo as a prediction tool.

But you're right, Fargo can't ever be considered to be a perfect crystal ball. All it can be is an analysis of past data that can say what is more likely to happen based on thousands of similar past matchups. To me, and as I understand it, the entire foundation of Fargo depends entirely on the predictive accuracy OVER many many games. So any given set can go entirely against prediction but if players perform over many sets close to the predictive mean then it can be said to be accurate.

It's not much different than when people predict that player A will lose to Player B because of their subjectively assigned ratings and player A steps up and plays over his head and defies the predictions.

The above mentioned shortstop was predicted to lose a $5000 seven ahead one pocket set two weeks ago against another shortstop. Instead he closed out the set in about six hours.
 
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I know. Thanks. Lou wants to have it both ways. He wants to act like he hustled me and I had no chance and so it was just stupidity that caused me to play him. Or he wants us all to believe that I was delusional and should have known I had no chance.

Either way it was still heart and a lot of it to bet my own against someone that was either even or possibly better than me. Lou wouldn't understand as he has no heart - AT ALL -

In a 400 mile radius around him NO ONE wants to gamble with him because they all consider him to be a major major major nit. That was my experience in the months leading up to the match any time I came across anyone who had the sour experience of gambling with him.

In contrast - just after SBE we stopped in Pittsburgh and I played a local player $50 a game on two tables at the same time - lost $400 and bet it all on one final game...dogged it but had a shot. That kind of heart is something Lou will never experience in his life.

Nice! Where did you play in Pitt? I love Pitt but the place I used to play at on Carson St, is gone - so I hear? Think I heard Airport Billiards are gone too 😕
 
It was not in South Side though right?

To be honest, we drove in via GPS to the pool room we were told to go to, to the hotel by the highway after that and left the next morning. All I remember is that the hills were crazy and winter there must be a dangerous nightmare. I will ask Matthew what the name of the room was.
 
You're right. It wasn't heart to go up against someone of your caliber. I dogged it and wasn't outclassed in the least.

All I know is that here I sit with a standing offer to play you for 20k and you're afraid to show up. So define it however you want but most of us would call your behavior nitty and without any heart at all.

You won't even play one pocket against the teenagers in your area for $50 a game. A guy who is afraid of children shouldn't even be in a conversation about heart.


Anyone can get up and accept a bet. But you "dogged it," showing you had never had any heart to begin with.

I don't need to go chasing you. If you want your soul back -- after all your barking, lying, and cheating -- it is here in St. Louis. Come to papa.

Lou Figueroa
 
Anyone can get up and accept a bet. But you "dogged it," showing you had never had any heart to begin with.

I don't need to go chasing you. If you want your soul back -- after all your barking, lying, and cheating -- it is here in St. Louis. Come to papa.

Lou Figueroa

Yeah I dogged it.....and despite me playing like a donkey you barely won. You were shaking from the first ball.

And no, not anyone can get up and accept a bet....you can't. You didn't. You had to be propped up and goaded into it by those who aren't worth the sweat that drips from my testicles.

You don't have my soul pal. My soul wasn't part of the bet and you don't have enough in you to ever play anyone for their soul.

Lots of barking, no lying or cheating. That was you, the lying and cheating.

OKC. 20k. 10 ahead. Keep ducking. Maybe take a trip to the St. Louis heart hospital and ask them if they can implant a heart in a person who has none because you certainly have none.
 
... I know of more than one can't play a lick in a tourny but is a monster player for money ...
And a reasonable gambling tactic would be to play like Shirley Temple in all your rated games in tournaments and then when you get a customer matched up in private you turn on your Godzilla game. It would look like that thing you describe. Me, I just like to play.
 
Another thread hijacked!

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But you're right, Fargo can't ever be considered to be a perfect crystal ball. All it can be is an analysis of past data that can say what is more likely to happen based on thousands of similar past matchups. To me, and as I understand it, the entire foundation of Fargo depends entirely on the predictive accuracy OVER many many games. So any given set can go entirely against prediction but if players perform over many sets close to the predictive mean then it can be said to be accurate.

It's not much different than when people predict that player A will lose to Player B because of their subjectively assigned ratings and player A steps up and plays over his head and defies the predictions.

A good example of this is the recent Ginky tournament. How many of us would have bet on Zion Zvi to beat Mika not once, but twice, to win the event? I, for one, would not have put my money on Zion.

Fargo ratings (I think Mika was favoured to win about 80% of the time), world championships, and everyone's gut be damned, Zion played very well and Mika did not play up to his world class ability.

And that will happen. But let them play 10 sets, or 20 sets, and I have a pretty good idea which one is going to come out ahead.
 
OKC. 20k. 10 ahead. Keep ducking. Maybe take a trip to the St. Louis heart hospital and ask them if they can implant a heart in a person who has none because you certainly have none.

Why not lock up 1 set for $10k in both? Just suggesting so this could go off. I would like to sweat it. I like both of you so would be nice to watch the pure hate without a bias, ... except for my bet.
 
Why not lock up 1 set for $10k in both? Just suggesting so this could go off. I would like to sweat it. I like both of you so would be nice to watch the pure hate without a bias, ... except for my bet.


I've already told John numerous times he can come to STL and bet $10K. I don't need to chase him.

Besides, I'm getting old. 63 in a couple of months, a bad left knee that may need replacement, a bad right heel I developed tromping all over Spain and Amsterdam for three weeks, eyes don't work, legs don't work.

Lou Figueroa
tick tock
 
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