Ok dad....it has everything to do with the comparison between men and women of similar Fargo ratings and my personal experience.
Fargo ratings men vs women
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CanadianGuy
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I have discussed this with 750 level pro players
fwiw, they all mentioned they would smoke any top female
fwiw, they all mentioned they would smoke any top female
Shocking news: Pool players think they're better than other players they haven't played and are not about to play! Film at 11.
Seriously, though, that they say this is not particularly interesting. That people buy it kind of is.
This isn't about whether FargoRate has flaws or whether you do or don't get games into the system.
It's about whether women who get their rating largely playing other women have a rating that is somehow soft compared to another player who gets a rating largely from play against generally stronger men.
And the answer to that is no.
Not kinda no
Not no in theory
Not geeky computer no.
Just no.
It is also possible if the results show them playing at a higher level. Say a female is beating the top existing women players by a decent margin, 750 opponents, and they are winning 11-5, 9-3, 9-5, 11-6, etc... Fargo will give that woman an 800 or so rating even though she has not played any 800 level players. You don't need equal opponents to get a correct handicap level, you just need to know what results others have to compare to. In anything really, it will work the same way. If you have a race car and it beats cars to the line that are known to do 10 second 1/4-mile runs, you know that car will be able to hang with the 9 second cars, even without ever timing that car directly.
The issue with your thinking that the women players you know who are 600 that can't beat a 600 male is because you said they only play other women. If they did, you would see that they in fact, can play at the same level. It's an issue of personal bias and "feelings" affecting pure numbers and results. You have experience with the game and players and based on that you have your opinion of the results that may happen, not from any hard data. The 600 male player may have a stronger stroke, they may draw the ball better so they "seem" like better players, but if they go against a 600 rated female, that will show up as only one factor to beating them, they may miss more, they may take lower chance shots and loose on flyers more, etc.. As another car analogy, let's say you are in a small economy car and then in a luxury car, you go 100 in each, the economy car will feel like it's going a lot faster if you were just going to go by the feel of how the car handles.
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That is semantics and a comparative skill level. If you are a 10 year old basketball player, you may be a top 10 year old "pro" basketball player because you are better than the other 10 years olds, but in the open world of everyone, that won't fly. In this case, the women "pro" players are worse than the male "pro" players, but that is not hard tournament results against equals, just a comparative label based on the competition level.
I would like to see the Fargo rating on some of the other top women players, especially those from China and Taiwan. There are several who play in the same range as Siming, often beating her. As good as she is, she is not the dominant player over there. She is just one of many very good players, probably all playing above 750.
Was Donny Mills one of them because Siming Chen smoked him for the cash!
You can see a list of the top 100 female players in the world (that Fargo is aware of, and that have had enough activity in the last couple of years to warrant inclusion), along with their Fargo ratings, at the link below. It defaults to the Top 100 World, so just click on "Top 100 World - Female".
Top hundred females on the planet
630 gets you on the list
Siming Chen CHN795
Han Yu CHN775
Chezka Centeno PHL775
Rubelin Amit PHL773
Chieh-Yu Chou TWN773
Xiaotong Wang CHN770
Sha Sha Liu CHN768
Kelly Fisher GBR760
Zhang Muyan CHN758
Jasmin Ouschan AUT758
Seo Seoa KOR758
Tzu-Chien Wei TWN756
Xiao-Fang Fu CHN753
Chihiro Kawahara JPN752
Kristina Tkach USA746
Allison Fisher USA744
Chia Hua Chen TWN743
Bai Ge CHN739
Margaret Fefilova-Styer USA736
Xia Zhi Liu CHN734
Meng-Hsia Hung AUS733
Wendy Jans BEL732
Wan-Ling Wang TWN729
Hyeju Jin KOR719
Pia Filler DEU719
Ruolin Chen CHN716
Yuki Hiraguchi JPN716
Silviana Lu IDN713
Shui Ching Chiang TWN710
Ina Kaplan DEU710
Harin Lee KOR708
Kristina Zlateva BGR702
Miyuki Kuribayashi JPN699
Bo Mi Kwon KOR698
Shin-Mei Liu TWN698
Yun Mi Lim KOR698
Xin-Yu HONG TWN695
Pei-Chun TSAI TWN695
Eylul Kibaroglu TUR693
Bojana Sarac SRB692
Oliwia Zalewska POL692
Chie AOKI JPN690
Veronica Ivanovskaia DEU689
Yu-Wen Hsieh TWN688
Amalia Matas ESP687
Sakura Muramatsu JPN685
Samia KONISHI JPN684
Kamila Khodjaeva BEL683
Diana Khodjeava BEL683
Tani Miina JPN681
Brittany Bryant CAN680
Vivien Schade DEU679
Kyoko Sone JPN678
Briana Miller USA677
Ana Gradisnik SVN677
Sandra Baumgartner AUT676
Tamami OKUDA JPN674
Kristina Grim DEU672
Ayala Soledad ARG669
April Larson USA668
Tamara Rademakers NLD667
Sara Rocha PRT666
Akimi Kajitani JPN666
Asako SATOU JPN665
Kaylee McIntosh Driskell USA665
Tomoko KUBOTA JPN662
Ayako MARUOKA JPN661
Melissa Helland USA660
Monica Webb USA659
Joann Mason Parker USA659
Melanie Suessenguth DEU658
Kim Witzel DEU656
Maria Teresa (Mayte) Ropero Garcia ESP655
Jana Montour CAN654
Sollip Choi KOR653
Katarzyna Wesolowska POL652
Sofia Mast USA652
Darya Siranchuk UKR650
Tina Vogelmann DEU649
Savannah Easton USA649
Claudia von Rohr CHE649
Nguyen Bich Tram VNM644
Keiko YUKAWA JPN644
Chantal Stadler DEU643
Veronique Menard CAN643
Loree Jon Brown USA642
Caroline Pao USA642
Molina Ortiz USA641
Lena Primus AUT641
Eleanor Callado USA639
Linnea Hjalmarström SWE638
Louise Furberg SWE636
Simone Kuenzl DEU636
Naomi Williams CAN635
Vania Franco PRT634
Nina Torvund NOR634
Liz Lovely USA634
Myriam Lafranchise CAN632
Jeannie Seaver USA631
Ashley Benoit USA630
In order to be included on the "top" lists, a player has to have a minimum number of games recorded over the last year or so. Jennifer is not included on either the world or the US top 100 women's list. She is included on a "Top 10" US list, presumably because it has not been updated recently.
Han Yu has a more impressive resume of major titles than Siming Chen.
Should change your name to betadog and keep your sass to yourself.