I'll let the readers judge that mate
Fear of Feel
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CJ has just 2 references for his ultimate aiming system on the OB, its the center and outside edge, and he has 4 more at the CB that he connects to those two to get 8 different alignments, I won't go into more details since its on his DVD.
It isn't Phil Mickelson's system. He simply uses it. The system was developed by Dave Pelz and is included in his Short Game Bible.
Stan didn't compromise his character, he was a victim of ongoing character assassination. If somebody is beating you over the head and pummeling you in a real fight, what would YOU do? Fight back or stay put to let them continue?
You were in Viet Nam when bullets were coming from all over. Did you fight back?
I have no quarrel with you when you say CTE just wasn't for you. It is what it is but it's not because it doesn't work as Stan teaches. You have your personal reasons and that's good enough.
If you have difficulty making what I posted work for you, PM. Getting on the table is where it's at and you'll have intelligent questions once you do.
I was polite when I posted the 3 line aiming system. Where did it get me? The gang of hyenas went on the attack and were impolite toward the system and me and they used BS diagrams in their attempt to discredit it. I'm not getting into 2D layouts or cuetable. Everybody needs to get on a real cue table.
I think your post here was polite.
The pre-pivot instructions from Spidey that I am talking about are to offset the stick 1/2 tip from CB center with the stick pointing at OB center, then pivot back to CB center. That is different from a parallel shift of 1/2 tip after first aiming center to center. With the former, the pre-pivot alignment is on a line angled slightly to the center-to-center line rather than parallel to it. And the greater the separation between CB and OB, the smaller the angle would be between the pre-pivot alignment line and the line of centers between the balls.
I have not discussed at all Spidey's alternative of aligning center to center and then pivoting slightly to the outside.
Correct; it is not Spidey's example. But it was posted to show the effects of distance on the cut angle, and I was just pointing out other differences.
Again, that diagram is not depicting Spidey's example.
True, Pelz worked with Phil on the short game but Pelz didn't invent it either. Phil does teach the system on his own short game dvd so it is HIS system now. We're splitting hairs that don't need to be split.
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You're very attentive AtLarge, and right about that!
" Address the CB with 1/2 tip of INSIDE English from center and the tip of your cue aimed at the CENTER of the OB."
The Ultimate Aiming System from CJ's earlier videos is a fractional-ball aiming method that amounts to an "eighths" method -- more reference points than the "quarters" method.
For more on CJ's aiming method see posts #29 through #53 of this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=289527
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Read my post #342.
OK, my trials of the experiment, and my subsequent discussion, were based on a pivot from the bridge.
If you are back to deforming the bridge, or doing something else, to create a longer effective pivot point, then whatever I have said about this exercise can be ignored.
Off of memory, I believe the only time when they're congruent is when the bridge length and shot length are the same.
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I don't read all of the posts because most of them are worthless drivel, but you're the first on who got it.
But lets not forget that it doesn't end there. There's also 1/2 tip of inside from CB center pointing hallway between the center and edge or the OB before pivoting back to CCB.
And there's also 1/2 tip of inside from CB center pointing to the edge of the OB before pivoting back to CCB. After the pivot back to center of the cue ball, the tip of your cue will be pointing outside the OB for more extreme cut angles.
Just to clarify this or even bring more arguments into the process, consider setting up with your 1/2 inside tip and doing nothing with the backhand and pivot from the hip to CCB. Just rotate slightly. The tip stays closer to the CB with a flatter arc. The key to pivoting is to keep the tip close to the equator of the CB.
Not to worry, the whiz kid science guys will find some fault here also and reason to not get on the table.
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Pelz published the Short Game Bible in 1999. Phil's DVD came out a DECADE later. Pelz invented what you described in detail and used pictures from his work with Payne Stewart. You can get reliable yardages based on how far you take the club back and letting gravity do the rest of the work. The clock refers to where your left arm is at completion of the backswing. So say 9 o clock equals 30 yards and 10 o clock equals 40 yards. Sound familiar?
Your argument is like saying CTE is Stevie Moore's system because he gives lessons on it.
I just think people should know what the facts are instead of blindly believing what you type.
Here's a fact for you, this is a pool forum and I never heard of any body using hinge and hold to better themselves at the game. Buddy Hall was using the CLOCK SYSTEM for pool way before Pelz came out with his book and neither are close to each other. At least Buddy's system is for pool.
Do you think Sam Snead, Byron Nelson, Arnold Palmer, or Jack Nicklaus were too stupid to think of using hinging and holding before 1999 or how far back to take the club to affect distance? Give me a break!
All you're doing is bringing in a straw dog argument that has no application for pool.
I think people should be telling you to go visit a golf forum. I think I'll take my own advice...go visit a golf forum.
There is also 1/2 tip of outside in the mix as well.
You made an incorrect reference and I corrected you. Quit getting your panties in a bunch.
Why delete the part about CTE being Stevie Moore's system because he teaches it?
You make an analogy to golf and then say I should go visit a golf forum because I know what the real facts are. That is pretty funny.