Fear of Feel

Everyone can have their own opinion I doubt if anyone is willing to change their mind

Thanks for the chuckle, CJ.

Best to You & All,
Rick

At the end of the day, we're all having fun, isn't that the "name of the game"?

If they want, I'll post the feature article in Pool and Billiard and Billiard Digest about winning the "Player of the Year" honors, of course that might mean they considered the ESPN WORLD OPEN a legitimate championship.

After all it was played over 600 International Hours on ESPN and the 'Battle of the Sexes' had a record setting 2,700,000 viewers. If nothing else it was a huge commercial boost for the pool industry and the sales boost proved it was worth several million dollars to the industry.

Everyone can have their own opinion, I doubt if anyone is willing to change their mind.

What's important is the time is coming soon that ESPN or another major network will be taking a keen interest in pool again.......this week will either make history, or at least I can lay on my death bed knowing I tried to make a difference.

Thanks for everyone's support, despite anyone's opinion, I am attempting to put pool back into the world's spotlight again.....and only time will tell if it's meant to be or not.

The Game is my Teacher
 
At the end of the day, we're all having fun, isn't that the "name of the game"?

If they want, I'll post the feature article in Pool and Billiard and Billiard Digest about winning the "Player of the Year" honors, of course that might mean they considered the ESPN WORLD OPEN a legitimate championship.

After all it was played over 600 International Hours on ESPN and the 'Battle of the Sexes' had a record setting 2,700,000 viewers. If nothing else it was a huge commercial boost for the pool industry and the sales boost proved it was worth several million dollars to the industry.

Everyone can have their own opinion, I doubt if anyone is willing to change their mind.

What's important is the time is coming soon that ESPN or another major network will be taking a keen interest in pool again.......this week will either make history, or at least I can lay on my death bed knowing I tried to make a difference.

Thanks for everyone's support, despite anyone's opinion, I am attempting to put pool back into the world's spotlight again.....and only time will tell if it's meant to be or not.

The Game is my Teacher

Will this be made public by the end of the week?
 
Thank you!

At the end of the day, we're all having fun, isn't that the "name of the game"?

If they want, I'll post the feature article in Pool and Billiard and Billiard Digest about winning the "Player of the Year" honors, of course that might mean they considered the ESPN WORLD OPEN a legitimate championship.

After all it was played over 600 International Hours on ESPN and the 'Battle of the Sexes' had a record setting 2,700,000 viewers. If nothing else it was a huge commercial boost for the pool industry and the sales boost proved it was worth several million dollars to the industry.

Everyone can have their own opinion, I doubt if anyone is willing to change their mind.

What's important is the time is coming soon that ESPN or another major network will be taking a keen interest in pool again.......this week will either make history, or at least I can lay on my death bed knowing I tried to make a difference.

Thanks for everyone's support, despite anyone's opinion, I am attempting to put pool back into the world's spotlight again.....and only time will tell if it's meant to be or not.

The Game is my Teacher

I thank you for all you do! Just because you are also a business man and entrepreneur does not and should not distract from all you do for the billiards industry. IMO it perpetuates interest in the sport! It used to be there was a comradery amongst great pool players. If this thread is any indication, not anymore. Sharing knowledge should not be greeted with insults, but here it is. That's too bad. As a avid golfer, I would kill to pick the brains of Rory McIlroy or better yet, Moe Norman. Finding a professional willing to share his knowledge is rare. You DON'T have to agree with anything he has to say...but you have to respect him for sharing his thoughts when no one else will!
 
ok Im not in the mood to answer anymore.

Too late.


lol, what guy would write this? "Im not in the mood to answer anymore."

A little bit ago, in a PM, another member floated the idea past me that Satori was a CJ alias -- always jumping in to defend him, online around the same time. I said no, didn't "sound" like CJ. But Satori as CJ's girlfriend... sounds pretty good.

Lou Figueroa
 
lol, what guy would write this? "Im not in the mood to answer anymore."

A little bit ago, in a PM, another member floated the idea past me that Satori was a CJ alias -- always jumping in to defend him, online around the same time. I said no, didn't "sound" like CJ. But Satori as CJ's girlfriend... sounds pretty good.

Lou Figueroa

Lol, nope!

I could see where a guy like you would see "I'm not in the mood" and think of a woman.
 
The Disconnection is Astonishing

I read a few of the previous posts.

What I find about Pool is this huge disconnection in everything all the way from the Top down. How are we going to every change the state of pool, without a body willing to work with it?

Its as if the whole of pool considers the amateurs not worth their time and it would seem that the absence of people playing pool is what is wrong.

I dont get it that there isnt local initiative to create new business, it makes no sense to me.
 
I thank you for all you do! Just because you are also a business man and entrepreneur does not and should not distract from all you do for the billiards industry. IMO it perpetuates interest in the sport! It used to be there was a comradery amongst great pool players. If this thread is any indication, not anymore. Sharing knowledge should not be greeted with insults, but here it is. That's too bad. As a avid golfer, I would kill to pick the brains of Rory McIlroy or better yet, Moe Norman. Finding a professional willing to share his knowledge is rare. You DON'T have to agree with anything he has to say...but you have to respect him for sharing his thoughts when no one else will!

:thumbup2: Randy,

But, you made one mistake with the phrase that I highlighted. ''They' don't have to & obviously do not, but... they should.

I also think that everyone that loves or even likes the game should be wishing CJ luck &/or even 'good fortune' in whatever he's trying to do to get the game back in the public eye.

Maybe then one's pool hall down the street won't be closing down next week, or next month, or forever how much longer they can stay afloat.

Many of us have had or still have a table at home but it's not the same as having a hall to which one can go.

It should not be that golfers get rich finishing in the top 50 while the best pool player (note: player not players) have to struggle to make a decent living.

The game deserves a better place. The best players deserve the applause that made Earl want to play tournaments instead of just gambling on his game.

Nearly everyone wants to be appreciated for the hard work they put in to get where they've gotten. The best pool players certainly deserve it.

I doubt if there will ever be a Saint CJ, but at least he's trying to do something to get back the recognition that both the Game & the Players deserve.

I, for one, Wish CJ to be Successful in His Attempt.

Best 2 You, Randy, & All,
Rick

PS I also wish Stan Shuffett success as well.
 
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DTL's landscaping...nice

DTL,
Hey man, yeah if you did that by yourself kudos dude. I dont know what you had in it but you can pretty well double that for a commercial man to do it for you turn key.

Thats how much you saved. Probably enough to take a nice vacation or two.
 
YW.

He does seem to bring out the worst in me.:sorry: I was thinking man crush and it kinda made me nauseous........but I know that's not true. He just clearly holds CJ in the highest regard..........I'll take it down.

First YOU said that CJ is my 'hero' (I then explained that I have only One Hero & He died an innocent death more than 2000 years ago.) & now YOU were thinking 'man crush' but say you 'know' it isn't true, but you made the comment anyway. Objection. Overruled. But it was heard anyway.

Like you, my playing the game took a big back seat when I met the beautiful, on the inside & outside, young women that would honor me by becoming my wife of the last completely faithful & happy 34 years along with 7 years of knowing each other before that. We have 3 successful grown 'children' ranging in age from 32 to 27, one(1) 22 year old son still working on that & one(1) 17 month old grandson.

My wife & I just made love in the wee hours of yesterday morning.

I have no 'man crush' on any man.

Maybe if you would look, you'll notice that in the PS of my last post regarding CJ, I also wished Stan Shuffett success.

Just because I do not agree with Stan's 'analysis' of the nature of his CTE & I do see the benefits of the TOI method that CJ introduced here does not make me a homosexual as your 'man crush' comment & getting 'nauseous' implies. I hardly knew anything about CJ Wiley before a few years ago when I saw him posting here other than his name & that he was once a successful professional player.

Maybe you should take a close look at yourself. Hypocrisy can be very camouflaged to an individual at times. Perhaps others will take a close look at you & how you admire & compliment Stan & others will assign a derogatory term to YOU.

I sincerely hope not, & I think most people are above such crap, but obviously some are not & seem to think it's acceptable behavior.

I too thank you for your military career.

May Blessings Befall You & Your Family,
Rick

PS Perhaps instead of your ongoing 'insults' to me, CTE & Stan might be better served if YOU would attempt to explain how YOU think Stan is correct in his belief that CTE is 'a totally objective aiming system'. So far, 'attacking' & 'insulting' anyone not enamored with Stan's CTE seems to be the Standard Operating Procedure. So far, you seem to have fallen right in line with the SOP.
 
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Nice post! Hangers should always be given the proper attention to detail. Off every hanger, you should be striving for exact position play.

As for the forums making things complicated...yes and no. It seems that way at times. But, when describing what is happening, it takes a lot of words usually. Like you stated, the actual time spent thinking at the table is only seconds. How long does it take to look at a shot, see where the stun line goes, and now that you need to go one diamond farther, so you add one tip english? A second or two at most. It not even really so much a truly conscious thought, although one is aware of the thought.

Some on here think that knowing what to do equates to standing forever over a shot going over different options. That is true on the training table, not on the game table. On the game table, things just flow.

Thanks Neil,you share much valued info here, this isn't directed towards you
it's just an add on, I had some time and figured I would bore AZB. I cut is short, I can write for hours, AZB might ban me.

The original post is about the thought process from the moment you get off the chair and approach the table. I study the table from my chair planning my run out if my opponet misses, so I am thinking from the chair, it also helps me to stay focused and my mind doesn’t wander. Yes he may play me safe or leave me tough; I have to deal with it. If it's a player I can't watch play, I don't watch, I watch another table.

Someone posted Hunter Lombardo missing ball in hand,what was he aming at? he was brain dead, no one can teach you to think, and I think he played it wrong, go figure. Once you have the strokes and know how to play it’s the brain. What separates the good from the great, "the brain." On a rare occasion a lesser brain grows a stronger brain for a few days and has a significant win, a championship, not often.

Many players will just be lower tier due to the brain, every major event is filled with them and you see the comments, he did well he placed 5th, 16th, 3rd, 9th. They have the skills but not the brain to maintain. Maybe over time they grow stronger, it's not the aim it's the brain.

My view of AZB is there are beginners, players, intermediates, shortstops, men of genius, professionals, a wide variety of people with a common interest. Some want to argue the best way, others want to share and help others, some are open minded others are not, even I who knows everything learns here.

It doesn’t matter how you aim it matters how you think. There is not a holy grail of aiming systems, if it works for you it's your own personal Holy Grail. It doesn’t matter the aiming system. When brain memory and muscle memory work in conjunction you are on a good track. Table times teaches you your mistakes and adjustments needed.

The though process, the approach, fundamentals, rhythm,position,speed, feeling the weight of the cue, eyes, head, tip accuracy, cue elevation, delivering where you aim etc. There is a lot that goes into one shot, especially on a hanger where many players let up, once again the brain. Separating when you drop down is key. Call it conscious, subconscious, astrophysical, I don't care; you better pay attention to fine detail from beginning to end and process it quickly, compute and shoot.

I think my method of aiming is the best, I know it’s best for me, maybe not for you. I know the other methods of aiming inside out, parallel, fractional, overlap cte, 9090, ghost etc. I have studied them to a fault because of my OCD or I can't sleep. My method is the best for me. What's best for you? Whatever works for you is fine and well in my book. Everybody has one even though they may not know it.

It's great to share and receive knowledge; it's fascinating all the theories, techniques and methods. It's so diverse its mind boggling. If kept simple new players may understand more easily and not become frustrated, experienced players may open up to others theories. Pool is a complicated game as it is, yet so easy to understand,keep it simple in theory and explanation for new comers.

Compare the great to the good. The good possess the same skills as the great, some excel in areas over the greats, they all pocket like monsters, aiming isn't the difference. Look how hard players work on their game, they are always trying to get better from learning a new aiming system,banks,theory, feet,head,eyes, hand position, etc etc etc,anything to get them a title and place them with the Elite.
Most times it does not matter, their skills were already high caliber; they have not won anything substantial, maybe a local tour or similiar. It's not the aim it’s the brain.Its all about the cue ball.

It's not rocket science although I think NASA posts here. Houston we have a problem, we have a 30 degree angle, I am jacked over a ball and have to hit with draw right, I am so confused, but I did read it somewhere on AZB how to do it.
There are books titled Pool for Dummies, Billiards 101, just my luck. Knowledege is power as long as you practice it 8 hours a day. Whatever your aiming system is bring a straight stroke and a brain.

Sincerely:SS
 
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I take it you loved that little piece because it had a picture of ghost balls in it. What you don't realize, is that if you actually aim that way, you are likely to miss because of collision induced throw. Looks nice on paper, but not in reality. In reality, you have to adjust where the ghost ball actually hits the ob.

Nope you don't. That is purely a subjective speculation, ie myth that contact induced throw happens on every shot.

I have never adjusted for contact induced throw. I do for side spin.

There has been no proof that CIT happens on every shot in pool. There have been demonstrations that show CIT can happen under limited set of parameters.

I believe those demonstrations are at a CB ball speed that I seldom if ever use. Seldom is there a quantifiable number given to the CB ball speed. It seems to be that CB speed is always defined as fast, medium or slow.

Seldom is it stated the the CB is traveling x ....per ......

When there is a speed indicated, it has been a speed that I never use. When you do read of a speed, it is in MPH which really isn't a good scale of measurement to use since the playing surface is measured in feet or inches, so a good scale would be x inches per second or x ft per second. This fits into the reality of the world of pool and not mile per hour.

Lets just take a CB speed of 1 MPH. Do you really know how fast that it is on a pool table? What a CB traveling a 1 mph looks like and what type of hit it takes to do it?

Converting a CB speed of 1 MPH to IPS...inches per second results in 17.6 inches CB speed. Half a pool table is 24 inches. How far apart are the diamonds on the rail?

Just something to think about.

In motorcycle riding there are two ways to turn a bike and at all depends on what speed the bike is going on which style is used. Below x speed, to go right, you turn the bars right and go right. Above x speed, to go right, you first turn the bars left, then the bike leans right for a right turn....its called countersteering. I believe the same thing occurs with CIT, it can occur at a certain point. I just operate at a area of speed below that point CIT occurs.

I really posted the link to show someone with far superior credentials than CJ has in a game, 14.1, that is tougher to master than 9 ball has to share about aiming.

That was the request.

PS, this a good example of providing support for ones premise, which is lacking in your reply.

I suggest you and others get this book to really see how weak most arguments on here are.

http://books.google.com/books/about/Logic_and_Contemporary_Rhetoric_The_Use.html?id=_IIVhDlcCy4C
 
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Calm down. Us men can have man crushes.......it doesn't mean we're gay. I've always had a man crush on Elvis.:embarrassed2:

You do seem to bring out my bad side........perhaps others too? Maybe I should just put you on Ignore.

Did I say anything about CTE in this thread? You're obsessed with CTE, aren't you.

DTL
TMI about you and your wife.

Yeah,

That's pretty much a typical response. Make light of what you said, yet with no real apology. Some might see that as rather telling.

You made the 'man crush' comment followed with the getting nauseous comment. That's rather suggestive.

Please speak only for yourself about having a 'crush' on another man or other men. I think most men would have issues with your comment there.

There is a huge difference between having admiration for another member of the same gender & having a 'crush' on them.

I never have, do not, & never will have a 'crush' on any man.

That is an individual preference relative to each individual. That is their business as long as it does not involve me. I have several gay acquaintances & they are some of the best people that I know. I am not a prejudiced person.

I am in no way obsessed with CTE.

I think most readers can see the big picture & understand why I included CTE in that post.

Yes, I'm rather sure it would be better if we both put each other on ignore. Please do so?

Again, May Blessings Befall You & Your Family,
Rick
 
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I read a few of the previous posts.

What I find about Pool is this huge disconnection in everything all the way from the Top down. How are we going to every change the state of pool, without a body willing to work with it?

Its as if the whole of pool considers the amateurs not worth their time and it would seem that the absence of people playing pool is what is wrong.

I dont get it that there isnt local initiative to create new business, it makes no sense to me.

Robin,

When you speak of amateurs & a lack of people playing, are you speaking nationwide or in your local area? If you're speaking nationwide, from what are you basing that?

I thought that amater league play was doing fine & growing every year.

The problem, as I see it, is that they are mostly playing on coin tables in bars & not in pool halls.

I certainly see Professional Pool as having a much larger problem in that there is no money.

I think CJ is looking to & hopefully might change that.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
...myth that contact induced throw happens on every shot.
Contact throw happens on every cut shot unless something specific prevents it (e.g., "gearing" side spin or lubrication at the contact point). It's simple physics: where there's friction, there's throw.

I have never adjusted for contact induced throw. I do for side spin.
They're the same thing: one surface rubbing across another. If you're making the shots, you're adjusting for it whether you realize it or not.

Have you tried the frozen combo test for contact throw?

pj
chgo
 
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