Fear of Feel

LAMas said:
There is also 1/2 tip of outside in the mix as well.
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First things first with inside. I should never have added outside at this stage to overcomplicate things. Forget about it for the time being and then we can move forward.

The same goes for using outside when on the table. Get the hang of inside and proficient with it first while shooting balls.
 
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what's vital to great shot-making - A FEEL FOR THE POCKET

Mirza said:
CJ has just 2 references for his ultimate aiming system on the OB, its the center and outside edge, and he has 4 more at the CB that he connects to those two to get 8 different alignments, I won't go into more details since its on his DVD.
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Feel free (unless you fear feel lol) to share anything from the DVD, it's still essential to see it done with the visual guides.

One thing I will add is my Ultimate Aiming "Center/Edge" system is used ABOVE the shot, and once you see the angle you simply use the center (or slightly TOI) to the center or edge of the object ball......once you get down the shot is somewhat of an illusion anyway, so the real objective is to make the shot "FIT" your eye. When I'm down on the shot I don't try to focus on the object ball....I'm only aware of it's presence.

When the shot "fits your eye," you will know more about how to develop what's vital to great shot-making - A FEEL FOR THE POCKET.....and that's when TOI, TOO, and 'The 3 Part Pocket System' are a huge advantage to utilize.

The pocket zone can be increased simply by how you approach creating the angle. Favoring one side of the pocket and accelerating it to the center (using TOI or TOO) is easy to do, and highly effective to use. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I though you would be very proud to fill us in on your pool resume for education, experience teaching, and other history.
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Is that your way of deciding whether something I say makes sense? If so, then you don't really have a grasp of the subject yourself, do you?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Is that your way of deciding whether something I say makes sense? If so, then you don't really have a grasp of the subject yourself, do you?

pj
chgo
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LMAO! Still going around in circles trying to make me look stupid and yourself like a genius. There's a very severe mental imbalance there, pal.

http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/

"The problem with smart people is that they like to be right and sometimes will defend ideas to the death rather than admit they’re wrong. This is bad. Worse, if they got away with it when they were young (say, because they were smarter than their parents, their friends, and their parent’s friends) they’ve probably built an ego around being right, and will therefore defend their perfect record of invented righteousness to the death. Smart people often fall into the trap of preferring to be right even if it’s based in delusion, or results in them, or their loved ones, becoming miserable. (Somewhere in your town there is a row of graves at the cemetery, called smartypants lane, filled with people who were buried at poorly attended funerals, whose headstones say “Well, at least I was right.”)
 
Mirza said:
Read my post #342.
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Yes. 17 shot angles in CJ's method (if followed robotically):

Cuts to the right -- aim one of four points on the right side of the center of the CB at either the center of the OB or the left edge of the OB. 4 x 2 = 8.

Cuts to the left -- aim one of four points on the left side of the center of the CB at either the center of the OB or the right edge of the OB. 4 x 2 = 8.

Straight shot -- aim the center of the CB at the center of the OB = 1.

This was discussed in some detail 2½ years ago in posts 29 through 53 of this thread (sorry my link did not work in my #350 above; I have fixed it): http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=289527

Edit: and post #45 in that thread explains what I mean about it being an "eighths" method.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
LMAO! Still going around in circles trying to make me look stupid and yourself like a genius. There's a very severe mental imbalance there, pal.

http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/

"The problem with smart people is that they like to be right and sometimes will defend ideas to the death rather than admit they’re wrong. This is bad. Worse, if they got away with it when they were young (say, because they were smarter than their parents, their friends, and their parent’s friends) they’ve probably built an ego around being right, and will therefore defend their perfect record of invented righteousness to the death. Smart people often fall into the trap of preferring to be right even if it’s based in delusion, or results in them, or their loved ones, becoming miserable. (Somewhere in your town there is a row of graves at the cemetery, called smartypants lane, filled with people who were buried at poorly attended funerals, whose headstones say “Well, at least I was right.”)
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The thing I love about that linked reference is that it can be used, without alteration, by both sides in this debate.
 
swest said:
The thing I love about that linked reference is that it can be used, without alteration, by both sides in this debate.
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You think they are pretty evenly matched, eh? And, strangely enough, mikepage, who has played pool with both, reported that they are about the same speed in pool, too.

[Mike's report was 5 or 6 years ago; one or both may have improved or worsened since then.:)]
 
AtLarge said:
Yes. 17 shot angles in CJ's method (if followed robotically):

Cuts to the right -- aim one of four points on the right side of the center of the CB at either the center of the OB or the left edge of the OB. 4 x 2 = 8.

Cuts to the left -- aim one of four points on the left side of the center of the CB at either the center of the OB or the right edge of the OB. 4 x 2 = 8.

Straight shot -- aim the center of the CB at the center of the OB = 1.

This was discussed in some detail 2½ years ago in posts 29 through 53 of this thread (sorry my link did not work in my #350 above; I have fixed it): http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=289527

Edit: and post #45 in that thread explains what I mean about it being an "eighths" method.
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Thanks for that link.

It was good to read that again. Perhaps I will one day get around to trying CJ's cue ball method.

It's just so different from all of my past thinking, even though I've aligned portions of the CB to portions of the OB virtually my whole playing life.

So...I guess that it's not really SO different.

Thanks Again.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
TheThaiger said:
Is true you've played Barton? Who won?
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I've played him more than once over many years and I think we've both won (I won most recently, I think) - but we mostly talked about and demonstrated stuff while playing, so I don't think who won is really that meaningful. He's a much better shooter than the joke pics of him would lead you to believe - I don't remember much about his overall game, except he plays fast.

I've played Lou too (he beat me at 1P, I beat him at 9/10 Ball, if I recall correctly) In fact, all three of us played in a little tourney against each other once a long time ago (more than 15 years, I think). I'd say Lou was the best between us three, especially at 1P, even though John eeked out a 1P win from him that time.

This was all some time ago, and things surely have changed - I imagine we're all a little better now.

pj
chgo
 
AtLarge said:
Maybe I misread you. I thought you were indicating that the quote could apply to both Spidey and pj. Perhaps you meant "both sides" more generally.
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ahh.... gotcha. Yes, I was referring to the more general meaning of "sides" in this case, and the numerous people involved.

It's funny how a frame of reference can make all the difference to one's understanding of something. Before, when I read the sentence, "You think they are pretty evenly matched, eh? And, strangely enough, mikepage, who has played pool with both, reported that they are about the same speed in pool, too", I was unable to attach any meaning to it, at all, that I could make sense of. It appeared to me so completely unrelated that I thought that you might even have hit reply in the wrong thread...

Now, after your clarification (above), when I read your response, it makes complete sense.

But, I digress...

Yes, now that I am back on track, that is an interesting tidbit about those two.
 
swest said:
ahh.... gotcha. Yes, I was referring to the more general meaning of "sides" in this case, and the numerous people involved.

It's funny how a frame of reference can make all the difference to one's understanding of something. Before, when I read the sentence, "You think they are pretty evenly matched, eh? And, strangely enough, mikepage, who has played pool with both, reported that they are about the same speed in pool, too", I was unable to attach any meaning to it, at all, that I could make sense of. It appeared to me so completely unrelated that I thought that you might even have hit reply in the wrong thread...

Now, after your clarification (above), when I read your response, it makes complete sense.

But, I digress...

Yes, now that I am back on track, that is an interesting tidbit about those two.
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Yeah, sorry, Sam. Normally I try to write in a way that cannot be misunderstood. That's a tougher standard than just writing to be understood. But I guess I flunked in that post of mine that followed-up on yours.

As to the "tidbit" about Spidey's and pj's level of play, I wonder whether either of them feels insulted or complimented.
 
AtLarge said:
As to the "tidbit" about Spidey's and pj's level of play, I wonder whether either of them feels insulted or complimented.
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I have a feeling that Patrick doesn't care either way but spidey is extremely insulted and will say how much better he is now because of various aiming systems.
 
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