Female with 790 FargoRate

one stroke said:
Her performance to me indicates she's closer to Donny's 753 than 790
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Well if you run Donnys 753 against Simings 790 in Fargorate odds maker you get the difference of 2 games for the race of that lenght approximately. And that was the score difference between them. Remember that any race between 750 and 790 is supposed to be quite close if not for those mammoth races to 50. FR proved itself quite precise this time if you ask me ;)
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Just to be a consistent shit-disturber, I have to say this...

I watched him play for a few hours at Derby City this year, and the dude is most definitely a badass. I do think he is a better player than some players who've had better results.

That being said, he definitely would not be able to give someone that highly rated a 50 game spot. And I doubt that alternate or winner break would make much of a difference.

Oh... And I thought you might like to know that my team here in Germany is on track to win our Bezirksliga session, keeping alive the tradition of winning the league session you, Greg and I were a part of in Colorado. I think this is something crazy like 4 league sessions in a row where my team has won the league, between Colorado and Germany.. Bezirksliga isn't that strong, but I have been doing the heavy lifting on the team for straight pool. I asked one of the club administrators to move me up two league levels to his team, a. because he speaks the best English in the club, and b. it's a much stiffer level of competition. I was really kinda phoning it in. Here's our currently league standing.. I'm in B.V. Schiestein 5.. http://hbu.billardarea.de/cms_leagues/plan/5191/7128

Short Bus Russ
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Just saw this Russ, sounds like you're hitting them well. I'm reworking my game from the ground up with this switch to the revo shaft. It's coming along but I'm not quite there yet. I'm cramming this week so I don't embarrass myself at the VNEA next week.

When are you coming back stateside?

Just to stay on topic somewhat, I think this weekend's performance should show how strong the fargorate system is. It was very accurate from what I understand (I didn't get to watch).

I'm not sure why but I really enjoy seeing all the "clocking bias" here regarding women. It's funny to me. People just can't seem to get their heads around the idea that a woman can play at a world class level.

I really hope one of these 50 to 100 or 30 to 100 spot matches goes off, I will definitely bet on Siming, vs. anyone.
 
Alex Kanapilly said:
Just to stay on topic somewhat, I think this weekend's performance should show how strong the fargorate system is. It was very accurate from what I understand (I didn't get to watch).

I'm not sure why but I really enjoy seeing all the "clocking bias" here regarding women. It's funny to me. People just can't seem to get their heads around the idea that a woman can play at a world class level.

I really hope one of these 50 to 100 or 30 to 100 spot matches goes off, I will definitely bet on Siming, vs. anyone.
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To the people who thinks Chen needs a lot of weight....Shane was mentioned as one who
could give it up.
Well, he aint going to....Shane said she’s capable of winning an open major.

If Chen had lost the match by 15-13, she would still have proved that she can compete on
the world stage.

Mike Page was right
Jay Helfert was right
Roy of the Basement was right

And don’t bother Chen for a while...she’s going shopping...:dance:
 
one stroke said:
Her performance to me indicates she's closer to Donny's 753 than 790


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IDK, after watching that match, I didn't see a single thing that Donny did BETTER than her. Their ball pocketing and their break seemed about the same to me. Her safety play was better IMO. She also seemed more in control of the table, if that makes sense, or more composed and in a better rhythm. My conclusion from watching the match was that she is technically the better player -- but how much better I guess is the question.
 
marek said:
Well if you run Donnys 753 against Simings 790 in Fargorate odds maker you get the difference of 2 games for the race of that lenght approximately. And that was the score difference between them. Remember that any race between 750 and 790 is supposed to be quite close if not for those mammoth races to 50. FR proved itself quite precise this time if you ask me ;)
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I'm going to agree with everything here. This is definitely a feather in the cap of FR.
So when do we just eliminate all men's and women's tournaments, combine all the added money into massive purses and let the best players make it all?
 
Get_A_Grip said:
IDK, after watching that match, I didn't see a single thing that Donny did BETTER than her. Their ball pocketing and their break seemed about the same to me. Her safety play was better IMO. She also seemed more in control of the table, if that makes sense, or more composed and in a better rhythm. My conclusion from watching the match was that she is technically the better player -- but how much better I guess is the question.
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This is why female players like Chen just need to go full time Men's open tournaments. Believe it or not, this would bring many more eyes to professional pool.
 
There were 3 camps in this conversation about Chen:

- There were those who thought her rating was an accurate display of her performance AND her overall skill level.
- There were those who thought her rating accurately depicted her performance (obviously) but that her overall game was overrated to some degree.
- There were those who thought she was so overrated that she had no business playing a professional caliber male player.

I was in the 2nd camp. I was thinking she was somewhere around 30 points overrated. I still think her rating will come down a bit but probably not 30. I'd say more like 15-20 now. Time will tell.

Bottom line though -- she plays great and is a pleasure to watch.
 
I watch every match of her that I can find. She is my new hero!!! I don't see why she could not beat a Shane, Alex or any other man for that matter, after all the pool table does not care if its a Man Woman or Dogs playing on it.

She is Fantastic!!!!!
 
pt109 said:
To the people who thinks Chen needs a lot of weight....Shane was mentioned as one who
could give it up.
Well, he aint going to....Shane said she’s capable of winning an open major.

If Chen had lost the match by 15-13, she would still have proved that she can compete on
the world stage.

Mike Page was right
Jay Helfert was right
Roy of the Basement was right

And don’t bother Chen for a while...she’s going shopping...:dance:
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And remember, she lost to Allison and Kelly Fisher last week in Las Vegas. There are at least 10-15 women players who play close to Siming's speed, and that may be a low number. Who knows for sure how many young female champions there are in China? The Chinese have a way of starting them young and developing talent in any sport they like.
 
I don't know anything about the Fargo rating system. That being said my understanding is that Mills has a day job. Chen as far as I know is subsidized by the Chinese government.

In the US very few players male or female can make it financially on pool. I know there is Shane who makes a living off endorsements and tournament play.

Who else?

Shaw although living in the US is from Scotland.

How good would Mills be if he was totally supported by the state and allowed to do nothing but play pool?

I don't know if we have a real free range comparison.
 
overlord said:
How good would Mills be if he was totally supported by the state and allowed to do nothing but play pool?
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How good would <insert random top 100 pool player name here> be if he was totally supported by the state and allowed to do nothing but play pool?

If the big G started paying them an honest wage to be a pool player and represent their nation, any pro player could quit their job and focus on nothing but pool and become a massive threat to the rest of the pool world.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
IDK, after watching that match, I didn't see a single thing that Donny did BETTER than her. Their ball pocketing and their break seemed about the same to me. Her safety play was better IMO. She also seemed more in control of the table, if that makes sense, or more composed and in a better rhythm. My conclusion from watching the match was that she is technically the better player -- but how much better I guess is the question.
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You should go back and watch... her break was substantially better than Donny's.....
 
Icon of Sin said:
How good would <insert random top 100 pool player name here> be if he was totally supported by the state and allowed to do nothing but play pool?

If the big G started paying them an honest wage to be a pool player and represent their nation, any pro player could quit their job and focus on nothing but pool and become a massive threat to the rest of the pool world.
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The women's tour in the US is on life support. How many American woman can support themselves playing pool?
 
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overlord said:
How good would Mills be if he was totally supported by the state and allowed to do nothing but play pool?

I don't know if we have a real free range comparison.
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There is no question that if Mills played full time he would play stronger, and if Chen didn't she wouldn't play as strong. True. Absolutely true. And then Mills's rating would possibly be higher and Chen's would possibly be lower and we might not have had this conversation. It's also true that if Chen was hit by a bus she wouldn't win the match either.

But this match wasn't between these two potential imaginary people that could exist if the world were different. This was a match between two people that were here and now. With all baggage and earthly limitations attached. Gambling isn't a measure of potential, it's a measure of actualization. Donny called out Chen. She accepted. Many said her fargo rate was so high she wouldn't have a chance in reality. It didn't appear this was the case.

I wish I'd had enough notice to sweat this match, and I wish the format was longer as a race to 15 doesn't leave me feeling very satisfied. I would love to see her play longer sets against the likes of Cory or Billy. I know Donny is a rock solid player so if he wanted to rematch her that could be very cool as well. I believe in Donny but I think Chen is a beast. This is definitely an interesting road to go down!
 
Chen does play very well was just watching some of the match. She plays with what appears to be a ebony and tulipwood Southwest cue.

No LD or Carbon Fiber for this gal.
 
Jay said:

"And remember, she lost to Allison and Kelly Fisher last week in Las Vegas. There are at least 10-15 women players who play close to Siming's speed, and that may be a low number. Who knows for sure how many young female champions there are in China? The Chinese have a way of starting them young and developing talent in any sport they like."

If you believe this you are now arguing the other side.

Let's see....she lost to Allison and Kelly and beat Donny in one set where he didn't play particularly well. She actually out broke him, which I don't believe would happen often if they played multiple sets.

So if you think there are other females that play her speed then all those females are underrated or Chen is overrated.
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I'm well aware that she out broke him in that particular set. But overall, I think that they have comparable breaks.
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Pool is a funny game. The 10 ball break can be a fickle beast, Played last night and with the exception of once when I broke perfect with center table squat I made no balls and left cosmo spread. Then when I miss hit a bit I'm dropping two balls with a chance on the one. I played around with position, speed and which side of the rack and got the same results (3 races to 9). Even though played well the break was a mystery.

This was comparable to what I saw with Danny. His spreads looked awkward and challenging. She had better results and nicer layouts and it fed into her play. One thing that did impress me was her safety play. It's obvious from Wu and other top Chinese. They work on safety and kicking game. Strong hits and replies to hooks. Given a ball to hide behind they tend to nuzzle the ball up well. Especially out of a corner or beside a ball along the rail.

All in all I figure Chen's Fargo to be closer to 735-740. Lets see what happens over time with more data.
 
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