Ferrule replacement question

macguy said:
You say that is a new ferrule, why does it have chalk on it?
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This blue chalk makes no sense to me either. This looks more like the start of someone about to re-taper a shaft down to a smaller diameter and they are just cutting the ferrule and a little too much of the shaft down to the future diameter before sanding the rest.
 
as terrible as it is, at least it is not in the stroking area. I had a Darrin Hill where the ferrule was 12.3 and 13mm about 3" down. It always felt like a 13mm shaft in my hand.

I'd ask for financial compensation and never talk to that person again.
 
I call shenanigans.

In the first place, no one with half a brain would do that to a cue and in the second place, no one with half a brain would post this picture and act like he doesn't know that his shaft is now a total abortion. We are being trolled.
 
The more I look at the picture, I get the same feeling as Chris, it looks to be the start of a retaper.
 
Kim Bye said:
The more I look at the picture, I get the same feeling as Chris, it looks to be the start of a retaper.
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Retaper using wood lathe and chisel.
Caesar should out the repair person . He's in the Philippines, I think.
And that shaft is a Judd.
If that was a retaper using a router bit and taper bar, it'd straight and have curvature where he stopped.
The bluing is still on the ferrule b/c he chucked up on the ferrule and cut up from there, I THINK.
 
cesarmorales said:
I am having a ferrule replaced and had the guy stop at this point. I don't think the shaft should be reduced to replace a ferrule. What do experts think about this.
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I'm betting he gouged the shaft while it was spinning and tried to hide it by turning it all down.

Who did this?
 
cesarmorales said:
I figured this was not right but I wanted other opinions before confronting the person. I have never seen a ferrule job done like this one.

Usually the person will warm up the ferrule to break down the glue and then twist it off. He used a lath and cut the ferrule down to the wood tenant, or whatever you call that part of wood that is under the ferrule. Then he cut a ferrule from a rod and put it on the shaft. It was looking good at that point, the ferrule was a larger diameter than the shaft.

When I went back to check on it minutes later, this is what I saw.

It is not like a bad haircut, your hair will grow out and you go to somebody else.

The shaft is for a custom made cue from a famous cue maker who is dead. A shaft from the same cue maker if you can find one will not have the same custom ring work.
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Uhhh....You wouldn't heat up ferrule. You would use the bit to shave it off.
 
Danktrees said:
Uhhh....You wouldn't heat up ferrule. You would use the bit to shave it off.
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Heating up a ferrule is pretty common. I do it a lot. Whether I try heat or turn down first depends on the ferrule material and ferrule design.
 
Before the threaded ferrules became real popular, you could just spin the shaft on the lathe, lightly 'grip' the ferrule between a piece of folded leather, and once the friction built up enough heat to break the glue bond, the ferrule came right off. Dont know if anybody still does it that way, but theres more than once way to gut a kitten. ;)
 
Chuck Fields said:
Before the threaded ferrules became real popular, you could just spin the shaft on the lathe, lightly 'grip' the ferrule between a piece of folded leather, and once the friction built up enough heat to break the glue bond, the ferrule came right off. Dont know if anybody still does it that way, but theres more than once way to gut a kitten. ;)
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I use leather.
 
If that were my shaft,I would just go apeshit and go ahead and call the law for him :p.

I've heard stories about guys that do shit like this,and somehow the story doesn't end with them getting their ass kicked.

This one was over 20 years ago now,but heard one about a guy in an old-school room in Missouri.

The story there was just a simple tip replacement,accomplished with the use of a bastard cut mill file to taper the customer's 13.25mm ivory ferrule down to fit the 11mm tip that was used,and using an belt sander for cleanup.

I'm sure some of the people here can keep things even tighter,but I'm pretty confident in keeping a ferrule change to under .005 in diameter loss after blending,with the goal of leaving a flat ferrule seam.

No one has complained yet :cool:. Tommy D.
 
MVPCues said:
I still hope you are trolling us, because I can't fathom how anyone who is supposed to be a cue repair person could do something so idiotic. That is now the worse I have seen on here.

If true about the now dead famous cue maker, I feel for sorry for you.
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jb1911 said:
I call shenanigans.

In the first place, no one with half a brain would do that to a cue and in the second place, no one with half a brain would post this picture and act like he doesn't know that his shaft is now a total abortion. We are being trolled.
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How could you say such a thing about someone who likes the hit of a 3/8 11 pin better than a 3/8 10?

JC
 
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im in San antonio Tx , and i know a few repair guys, besides me, sooooo who is doing this work?????
 
Cesar
You mentioned in a previous post you did cue repair some time ago. I have to ask, Are you the repair person here posing as if your 'friend' did this?
It doesn't make sense when you picked up the shaft why didn't you handle this then. How did you leave the shop with it like this.
I believe as previously mentioned it may be a re taper cause the blue ferrule doesn't make sense. Originally i was thinking the shaft was out of the chuck that far and there was deflection when cutting because of the hour glass shape where the ferrule meets the shaft.
 
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To Killer::

I don't remember ever mentioning doing cue repair work in prior posts. (I have noticed a couple of names being used close to mine, like cezarmorales). All I have ever done is change tips and refinished a cheap cue butt with a rifle stock refinish kit. That was because it was hard to find places to get your cue worked on in locations I was living at the time. We are talking 30 to 40 years ago. Now, my time is worth more than the effort so I have my work done by others and there are a number of good places in San Antonio. All I do now is clean my shafts and shape the tip if it gets out of line. And I have the shafts cleaned and resealed every couple of months at one of the cue shops in town. Everything has always been fine.

I will admit, this shaft was pretty dirty looking at the time I took it in because I figured they would clean the shaft and reseal it like they did in the past during a ferrule replacement.

Let me give you more information about this. I took the cue to the place that has done two or three other ferrules for me in the last five or six years. The guy that did this job is not a kid, he has been a friend of mine for about forty years and a friend of my fathers for longer than that. But this is the first time he has worked on any of my cues. The guy is not new to the pool world by any means but this is the first time I have had him work on any of my stuff. I asked him when So and so (the guy that did the jobs in the past) would be around and he said, I can do ferrules.

I am not standing there watching every move he makes and just checking on things from time to time. As I checked, 1. he had the old ferrule off by shaving it down on a lathe 2. he cut a new ferrule from a rod. 3. he put it on the shaft tenon and it was larger than the shaft at that point. OK, EVERYTHING IS LOOKING NORMAL AT THIS TIME. At that point I told him I have to leave to pick up my kid from school. I took the shaft with me. This shop is not in my neighborhood, I have to drive out of my usual driving distance to get there.

A few days later I go back and the same guy starts working on the ferrule again. I tell him I only have thirty minutes before I have to leave to pick up my child again. Maybe he felt that I was rushing him but I don't see that as an excuse. Maybe twenty minutes later I go back and see this. I asked him what this was and he said something about tapering that down, etc, etc. I did not care to see what he was going to do next. I did not feel it was right to accuse him of anything or argue about it at that time.

So I figure it is time to talk to the guy that did work for me before at this same shop before going any further. So, I took the shaft with me again.

I don't like what I see but before talking to the other guy I wanted feedback from azbilliards. So instead of trying to argue I will just ask him to read this thread and see what we can do about it.

This is not a retaper. I saw him put on a new ferrule, the old one was cracked.

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There is not a bullshit story so it would help if some of you would cut out the assumptions. I am looking for a fair way to fix this.

I don't want a shorter or thinner shaft. My first suggestion is to do something like this. Notice how the cue on the far right has a different wood on the shaft at the joint. Cue number 20. Then retaper the shaft to make up for the one inch loss in length. If this adds two or three inches, I would be happy with that. I have a number of cues and 59 to 61 inches all work for me.

http://www.palmercollector.com/3rdCatalogScanAd.html

My cue has an ebony forearm so a couple of inches of ebony on the shaft with another ring would look nice. The cue is not a samsara but it looks alot like this.

http://www.recollectioncues.com/samsaratuxedocue.html
 
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June 1 2011 you posted a thread about black marker on the sides off the tip and mentioned exactly what you admitted here that you did tips and cleaning before and it was 30 years ago. I was just wondering if you've decided to expand your repair horizons. Maybe repair was a strong word for just tips and shaft cleaning.
Your story just doesn't make sense. Blue chalk on the end of a NEW ferrule, no tool marks on the end of the NEW ferrule showing it was cut on a lathe just like 80 grit sandpaper, who takes an unfinished shaft you can't play with and take it with you more than once, and so on. And now you'll settle for an extension on the end of your old custom rare shaft because its your friend who butchered your shaft. It just doesn't add up.
Good luck with the outcome. I hope you post the final repair or decision you make.
 
I still ain't buyin it. If I walked in and saw my rare custom shaft in that condition I would go ape shit on the guy, friend or not.
 
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