Ferrules
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Because customers order them.HomerB said:
Just for grins I weighed some ferrules...
Ivor-X is 5 grams
LBM is 4 grams
yellow micarta is 5 grams
ivory is 6 grams
Ivor-X is 5 grams
LBM is 4 grams
yellow micarta is 5 grams
ivory is 6 grams
Me
I order them not some much for how the play or add or minimize or whatever they do to the cueball, but for the reason that they stay sooooo clean. Nothing I hate worse than a dirty ferrule.
JoeyInCali said:
I order them not some much for how the play or add or minimize or whatever they do to the cueball, but for the reason that they stay sooooo clean. Nothing I hate worse than a dirty ferrule.
dave sutton
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well ivory is a soft material. when you hit the ball ivory compacts. that why they click. the smaller the ivory the less it compacts on impact. longer the ivory the softer it feels
some makers feel ivory plays inconsistant. man made materials deflect the same all the was around where ivory has most grain on one side than the other
some makers feel ivory plays inconsistant. man made materials deflect the same all the was around where ivory has most grain on one side than the other
Found by who? What is their basis of knowledge? How do they know what they know? What are their research methods? What is their education and background? What is the education and background of their instructors? In my opinion Ivory ferrules hit a ton!!!
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if it was soft as you said and compacts or gives with the ball like you said,wouldn't that mean less deflection?however,i think you are wrong,ivory is not soft at all and it is not inconsistent.i think this info was found by dave and i am not sure about his basis for knowledge,research method,education or background,but i can make a good guess.
HomerB said:
I am not so sure that a heavier ferrule has much to do with deflection. Lets face it; there is only about one gram difference in weight between all ferrules. Capped ferrules weigh more than thru ferrules and most cues have capped ferrules. I think that should end the argument, at least it does here.
Ivory is beautiful, it is not soft; it is as hard or harder than all the synthetics on the market. It plays great in my opinion and it stays clean unlike most synthetics. It is time consuming to machine from scratch and that adds to the cost so it can be more expensive.
I like Ivory because everything considrered it is best material for a player. For Jump Break Cues I use synthetics and even they split sometimes if the tip is allowed to get too low.
Good Cuemaking,
Would you please speak English.pdcue said:
Good Cuemaking,
Arnot Wadsworth said:
A heavier ferrule has a great deal to do with deflection. The heavier the front-end of the shaft, the slower it is to get off the QB. The longer the tip stays on the QB, the greater the deflection. Physics, proven fact. Either that or Predator and OB-1 have wasted a whole lot of time & money. Ivory happens to be the heaviest of the examples given. Performance or pretty, your choice. I prefer performance, it's too late to think about pretty.
If you believe all that Predator stuff I have some news for you. Iron willie did not work when a major magazine went to the predator shop some years ago, and to top it all off the first predator shafts had a graphite insert in them to stiffin up the shaft and reduce deflection. The inserts were comming loose, so Predator all of the sudden decided that a hollow shaft with less weight in the front reduces deflection. Which is it? I do not see Mike Bender hollowing out his shafts and his cues hit a ton with the ivory ferrule. What about Southwest, DPK, Scruggs, Kikel, Stroud? Are all of these Elite cue makers wrong? They have made it to the top off their profession!!! If it is a proven fact then bring the proof!!!
KJ Cues said:
So you bought all the hype. I just wish I had all the money these companies have spent making people believe that less than one gram makes such a difference.
I have some swamp land in Florida you might be interested in.
Good Cuemaking,
pdcue said:
I think you were speaking "acronym".
cuemaker03 said:
It's probably about as easy to pull fence posts by hand as it is to explain something to someone with a closed mind. Since I'm not anxious to do either, I'll let the research speak for me.
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php
Bare in mind that this is an independent study. Neither Predator or OB had anything to do with it.
A discussion of ferrules :
http://www.easypooltutor.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10794
To bring the great names into this discussion as you have proves nothing. I can't speak for them and neither can you. The one thing that they all have in common is that they started building cues before this technology became widespread. It brings up the adage that 'once you have something that works for you, you stick with it'.
Since you did mention the name of Mr. Bill Stroud, are you aware that he is the creator of the 'Smart Shaft'? It places near the top along with the other performance shafts. Hmmmmm.
It's my opinion that Predator technology is the greatest advancement in pool cue performance since the leather tip. It makes no difference to me whatsoever what you choose to believe or disbelieve. I hope that something beneficial can come from this discussion but disrupting your belief system is not one of my goals.
Great points.KJ Cues said:
Shortening the bridge and backhand english help too.
KJ is completely right, there are scientific studies with full mathematical proofs as to what causes deflection and it is certainly the mass of the end of the shaft. and a little amount of weight has a large effect. it is fact, proven rigorously and scientifically. if you want to read it and like physics and math, here is the link http://www.sfbilliards.com/Shepard_squirt.pdf