Fight

[CreeDo]

I am going to make some controversial(?) statements and you guys can fight me to the death on them.

It's been a little dull on the forums. Not trying to stir up too much crap, this is mostly just to see how people feel on these subjects. I'd kind of like to do it as a poll, but I can't really. So you can just write agree/disagree or explain yourself fully.

1. The stick hardly matters at all. If it's straight and has a decent tip, and the shaft isn't all sticky... a house cue is pretty much just as good as a thousand dollar cue.

2. You don't need to gamble to get good (yes, even pro) at pool.

3. There's no such thing as a "nit" or a "locksmith". People who only book winners and only play safe games are smart. People who play games where they're 50/50 to win or worse are insane and hate money.

4. If you ever said "I hit it too hard/soft" after missing a ball, you're a dink. Speed hardly affects the cut angle.

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.

6. Tight pockets are overrated. This game is better and more fun on pockets where 2 balls can fit easily.

7. Silver Cup chalk is ass.

8. Cloth colors other than green or tournament blue are either ugly to look at or hell to play on.

9. Simonis is still the best, even though other guys have come a long way and might beat their pricing.

10. The guys who insist it's more "skillful" to play on slow grungy nappy cloth like in olden times are nuts.

11. 760 is better than 860 or anything else for playing straight pool.

12. Hand powder is lame. Get a glove.

13. Jump cues are fine, they don't need to be banned and extra-hard tips don't need to be banned unless it's literally going to chip the cue ball.

14. In 8 ball, racking order doesn't matter. The end result is gonna be random anyway.

15. Nobody really plays better drunk or high, they just say they do because they think it sounds cool or funny. Even if ralph greenleaf really was drunk when he shot well, he'd shoot EVEN BETTER dead sober.

16. There's no such thing as a "rack mechanic", that's just a derogatory term people made up for the smart guys who learn how to read a rack vs. the dummies who just hit'n'hope.

17. Cuetecs wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the shiny crap on the shaft that chafes on your bridge when you're stroking with 'em.

18. Paying a ton of money for a custom cue just to have it and rarely (if ever) play with it is a little nuts. Not a lot, just a little.

19. People who hustle are pretty much just thieves and con artists, but for some weird reason we look up to them anyway. I guess because sometimes the shark turns out to be the fish and we all dream of being the guy who sends the road warrior home broke.

20. The money in pool is so crappy it would never make sense to have it as a career. Better to treat it like a hobby that you make a living from only if you're incredibly lucky, and even then not for the rest of your life, and even then you better have a Plan B.

21. Even though bar boxes have their own set of skills and can be interesting for gambling or whatever.. for the most part playing on little tables is not "real" pool.

22. We're well rid of 10 footers. 9 is just right. 8 and 7 are too small.

23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.

24. People who soak their tips are nuts and may also be a special form of googan.

25. Ultimate googaning includes specifying a custom cue weight to the half ounce, worrying about how the inlays might affect the hit, and obsessing over the joint.

26. You can stick a LD shaft on pretty much any butt and your cue will play great. The butt doesn't matter much.

27. The top women can't beat the top men. I have no idea why, it should be possible, but the best men give the best women 2 or 3 balls. I don't want it to be that way, but I think it's true.

28. Straight pool is the most pure pool game, even though it's mostly dead.

29. 9 ball is a lucky game even at the highest level.

30. There are no 'styles' in pool. Those guys who say playing a shot one way vs. the other is a matter of preference... they're dead wrong. There is a single right shot for any situation, which has the highest chance of success and has the best risk/reward ratio.


I could do this all day but I'm due at a buddy's house. Let's see how these go down.

 

[Impact Blue]

I would have a very hard time contributing without showing my bare ass, so, I'll just subscribe for the comedy and invention of this thread.

Yea!

 

[sixpack]

I am going to make some controversial(?) statements and you guys can fight me to the death on them.

It's been a little dull on the forums. Not trying to stir up too much crap, this is mostly just to see how people feel on these subjects. I'd kind of like to do it as a poll, but I can't really. So you can just write agree/disagree or explain yourself fully.

1. The stick hardly matters at all. If it's straight and has a decent tip, and the shaft isn't all sticky... a house cue is pretty much just as good as a thousand dollar cue.

A house cue hits better than most $1000 cues.
2. You don't need to gamble to get good (yes, even pro) at pool.
I don't think this is true.


3. There's no such thing as a "nit" or a "locksmith". People who only book winners and only play safe games are smart. People who play games where they're 50/50 to win or worse are insane and hate money.

It depends on the big 'Why' of their hearts. Some like the cash, others like the flash.

4. If you ever said "I hit it too hard/soft" after missing a ball, you're a dink. Speed hardly affects the cut angle.

True.

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.

not true.

6. Tight pockets are overrated. This game is better and more fun on pockets where 2 balls can fit easily.

Depends on your 'why' again.

7. Silver Cup chalk is ass.
Amen.

8. Cloth colors other than green or tournament blue are either ugly to look at or hell to play on.

Amen.

9. Simonis is still the best, even though other guys have come a long way and might beat their pricing.

Amen.

10. The guys who insist it's more "skillful" to play on slow grungy nappy cloth like in olden times are nuts.
I know what they mean, but faster cloth requires more touch while slower cloth requires a better stroke.


11. 760 is better than 860 or anything else for playing straight pool.

Straight pool is for people who can't find practice partners.

12. Hand powder is lame. Get a glove.
Or wash your hands.

13. Jump cues are fine, they don't need to be banned and extra-hard tips don't need to be banned unless it's literally going to chip the cue ball.

Exciting dimension to the game. Don't ban them.

14. In 8 ball, racking order doesn't matter. The end result is gonna be random anyway.
Huh? Not true.


15. Nobody really plays better drunk or high, they just say they do because they think it sounds cool or funny. Even if ralph greenleaf really was drunk when he shot well, he'd shoot EVEN BETTER dead sober.
I think people who need an excuse to lose use this one.

16. There's no such thing as a "rack mechanic", that's just a derogatory term people made up for the smart guys who learn how to read a rack vs. the dummies who just hit'n'hope.
Amen.


17. Cuetecs wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the shiny crap on the shaft that chafes on your bridge when you're stroking with 'em.
I've never even seen a cuetech in person. And I'd like to keep it that way.

18. Paying a ton of money for a custom cue just to have it and rarely (if ever) play with it is a little nuts. Not a lot, just a little.

Again. Depends on the 'why'.

19. People who hustle are pretty much just thieves and con artists, but for some weird reason we look up to them anyway. I guess because sometimes the shark turns out to be the fish and we all dream of being the guy who sends the road warrior home broke.

No. Thieves and con artists are thieves and con artists. Pool hustlers are pool hustlers.

20. The money in pool is so crappy it would never make sense to have it as a career. Better to treat it like a hobby that you make a living from only if you're incredibly lucky, and even then not for the rest of your life, and even then you better have a Plan B.

Sad. But true.

21. Even though bar boxes have their own set of skills and can be interesting for gambling or whatever.. for the most part playing on little tables is not "real" pool.

What you talking about Willis?

22. We're well rid of 10 footers. 9 is just right. 8 and 7 are too small.

Oh no he didn't!

23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.

I only run multiple racks on nights I play pool. So I don't know what that makes me.


24. People who soak their tips are nuts and may also be a special form of googan.

I thought this thread was about pool.

25. Ultimate googaning includes specifying a custom cue weight to the half ounce, worrying about how the inlays might affect the hit, and obsessing over the joint.

See point #1

26. You can stick a LD shaft on pretty much any butt and your cue will play great. The butt doesn't matter much.

LD Shafts are a gimmick.

27. The top women can't beat the top men. I have no idea why, it should be possible, but the best men give the best women 2 or 3 balls. I don't want it to be that way, but I think it's true.
It's true.


28. Straight pool is the most pure pool game, even though it's mostly dead.

Except for people who can't find practice partners.

29. 9 ball is a lucky game even at the highest level.
Not as lucky as 8-ball at any level. People who think it's luckier than 8-ball because you can 'slop a ball' are googans. (Was that correct usage? )

30. There are no 'styles' in pool. Those guys who say playing a shot one way vs. the other is a matter of preference... they're dead wrong. There is a single right shot for any situation, which has the highest chance of success and has the best risk/reward ratio.

True, but you have to allow for the shooters strengths and weaknesses in picking the right shot.

I could do this all day but I'm due at a buddy's house. Let's see how these go down.

Thanks. Should be good for a few pages of entertainment.

~rc

 

[Formula7]

I would have a very hard time contributing without showing my bare ass, so, I'll just subscribe for the comedy and invention of this thread.

Yea!

AAAAAAAAMEN. Though, if I red this post enough, someone's opinions are eventually going to provoke something in me to respond to every single opinion you just dropped.

This thread is going to be lengthy and highly entertaining... at least I damn sure hope so. :grin:

 

[poolplayer2093]

I am going to make some controversial(?) statements and you guys can fight me to the death on them.

It's been a little dull on the forums. Not trying to stir up too much crap, this is mostly just to see how people feel on these subjects. I'd kind of like to do it as a poll, but I can't really. So you can just write agree/disagree or explain yourself fully.

1. The stick hardly matters at all. If it's straight and has a decent tip, and the shaft isn't all sticky... a house cue is pretty much just as good as a thousand dollar cue.

2. You don't need to gamble to get good (yes, even pro) at pool.

3. There's no such thing as a "nit" or a "locksmith". People who only book winners and only play safe games are smart. People who play games where they're 50/50 to win or worse are insane and hate money.

4. If you ever said "I hit it too hard/soft" after missing a ball, you're a dink. Speed hardly affects the cut angle.

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.

6. Tight pockets are overrated. This game is better and more fun on pockets where 2 balls can fit easily.

7. Silver Cup chalk is ass.

8. Cloth colors other than green or tournament blue are either ugly to look at or hell to play on.

9. Simonis is still the best, even though other guys have come a long way and might beat their pricing.

10. The guys who insist it's more "skillful" to play on slow grungy nappy cloth like in olden times are nuts.

11. 760 is better than 860 or anything else for playing straight pool.

12. Hand powder is lame. Get a glove.

13. Jump cues are fine, they don't need to be banned and extra-hard tips don't need to be banned unless it's literally going to chip the cue ball.

14. In 8 ball, racking order doesn't matter. The end result is gonna be random anyway.

15. Nobody really plays better drunk or high, they just say they do because they think it sounds cool or funny. Even if ralph greenleaf really was drunk when he shot well, he'd shoot EVEN BETTER dead sober.

16. There's no such thing as a "rack mechanic", that's just a derogatory term people made up for the smart guys who learn how to read a rack vs. the dummies who just hit'n'hope.

17. Cuetecs wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the shiny crap on the shaft that chafes on your bridge when you're stroking with 'em.

18. Paying a ton of money for a custom cue just to have it and rarely (if ever) play with it is a little nuts. Not a lot, just a little.

19. People who hustle are pretty much just thieves and con artists, but for some weird reason we look up to them anyway. I guess because sometimes the shark turns out to be the fish and we all dream of being the guy who sends the road warrior home broke.

20. The money in pool is so crappy it would never make sense to have it as a career. Better to treat it like a hobby that you make a living from only if you're incredibly lucky, and even then not for the rest of your life, and even then you better have a Plan B.

21. Even though bar boxes have their own set of skills and can be interesting for gambling or whatever.. for the most part playing on little tables is not "real" pool.

22. We're well rid of 10 footers. 9 is just right. 8 and 7 are too small.

23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.

24. People who soak their tips are nuts and may also be a special form of googan.

25. Ultimate googaning includes specifying a custom cue weight to the half ounce, worrying about how the inlays might affect the hit, and obsessing over the joint.

26. You can stick a LD shaft on pretty much any butt and your cue will play great. The butt doesn't matter much.

27. The top women can't beat the top men. I have no idea why, it should be possible, but the best men give the best women 2 or 3 balls. I don't want it to be that way, but I think it's true.

28. Straight pool is the most pure pool game, even though it's mostly dead.

29. 9 ball is a lucky game even at the highest level.

30. There are no 'styles' in pool. Those guys who say playing a shot one way vs. the other is a matter of preference... they're dead wrong. There is a single right shot for any situation, which has the highest chance of success and has the best risk/reward ratio.


I could do this all day but I'm due at a buddy's house. Let's see how these go down.

i stopped reading after #4. speed has a lot to do with pocketing balls

 

[Cameron Smith]

I actually agree with a lot of this. The ones that jump out at me is #1, #10, #13 and #23.

#1, I would say is almost true. A lot of house cues in my area are very poorly balanced, it's tough (but not impossible) to maintain a straight stroke. They're fine for 8 ball where I can rely on patterns to avoid stroke shots, but I wouldn't want to play 9 ball or snooker with them.

#10, slower cloth does require a more powerful stroke to execute. I seem to remember a lot of players having a rough time at the IPT qualifiers and that was 8 ball.

#13 I would prefer them banned. They make jump shots too easy in the same way that banned clubs in comptetitive golf make some shots too easy.

#23, I don't think you need to be a capable player to own nice equipment or to be dedicated fan. Some of the worst players I've seen own nicest cues and cases, I don't feel that I deserve them any more than they do. FYI I play like crap the more alcohol I get in my system.

EDIT:

#15, Almost true. Players who always play with a certain amount of alcohol in their system will feel more comfortable in that situation than totally sober. Granted these players are generally bangers, and their play will begin to deteriorate as their inebriation increases.

 

[dabarbr]

Nice thread but I don't know where to start. It's like having too much on a resturant menu.
Have you been taking notes for a year to write this thread? A lot of good stuff to talk about here.

 

[Klink]

You were doing ok untill you got to the glove.

 

[gunzby]

1. I will agree on a basic level. A good player does however effect your mental game. There is no doubt however that a break cue is better than a house cue for breaking the rack.

2. I'll also agree with this. If you can only get good by gambling then you are playing for the wrong reasons.

3. I'll disagree. People who give up the weight to get the match aren't crazy, or hate money. They want the challenge and want the match to happen. In this case I don't think it's the money that is motivating them as much as it is the challenge.

4. Disagree. Hitting the ball too hard or soft effects the angle quite a bit on kicks and banks. How hard or soft also effects the angle of the CB

5. I will agree and disagree on this one. It all depends on speed and spin. It is minimal though.

6. Disagree. Tighter pockets will help your game more than anything imo. It ups your aiming and concentration unlike anything else I can think of.

7. Never tried it so I can't comment.

8. I wholeheartedly agree.

9. Agree

10. Disagree. I don't think they're nuts as much as they are nostalgic. You put someone on that slow cloth for a while and then put them on fast cloth and they will find it quite difficult to adjust. I can adjust to slow cloth much easier.

11. Agree. I love 760

12. I hate hand powder. Coming from someone who must have the cue glide like I have hand powder it does say a lot that I hate hand chalk.

13. Disagree. Jump cues should be banned in pro events. Agree. Extra hard tips should be fine so long as they can't damage equipment.

14. Disagree, but I really haven't paid attention to know. I am sure there is a way to rack the balls so you can favor one suit.

15. Agree. If they play better drunk it's because they are a nervous wreck sober.

16. Disagree. There are ways to rack to either favor yourself or obviously slug a rack for your opponent.

17. Never played with a Cuetec so I really wouldn't know.

18. Agree. I can't imagine buying a cue just to have it. I am also not a collector so I wouldn't really understand anyhow.

19. Disagree

20. I agree that the money is tough, but I disagree that you would be crazy to choose it as a career. Money isn't everything. I would much rather have a job that I love and get by with it than a job I hate and make good money at it.

21. Disagree. If it's on a pool table it is indeed pool.

22. I would like to bring back 10 footers. For me 9 footers are what I prefer to play on so I would agree.

23. Disagree. Everyone has to start somewhere and they probably won't start off running racks. I also wouldn't buy $500+ worth of stuff immediately. Wait till you are certain that you will be doing this for a long time before dumping money into it.

24. Can't comment since I've never done it.

25. Disagree. This is just being a stickler.

26. Disagree.

27. I've heard this is true, but I just don't want to believe it.

28. Agree. I would love to see this game come back.

29. Disagree even though I know there is a level of luck within the game.

30. Disagree. There are most certainly styles of play. The styles are most evident in one pocket and straight pool.

 

[Chronos]

Silver Cup chalk is the worst thing ever.

 

[chin0]

I'll chime in my inexperienced experience since we are buddies Creedo

1. The stick hardly matters at all. If it's straight and has a decent tip, and the shaft isn't all sticky... a house cue is pretty much just as good as a thousand dollar cue.

I shot with a house cue today that put my schmelke to shame, so yes, it is true though my schmelke isn't $1000+, but I almost wanted to buy the cue from the owner lol

2. You don't need to gamble to get good (yes, even pro) at pool.
Agreed, gamble is a preference, not a must, and it depends on what actually motivates you to play, the game itself, or the money and glory


4. If you ever said "I hit it too hard/soft" after missing a ball, you're a dink. Speed hardly affects the cut angle.

I'm a dink lol

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.

How much english are we talking?

6. Tight pockets are overrated. This game is better and more fun on pockets where 2 balls can fit easily.

Tight pockets keep the game challenging and can help boost the level of one's game.

7. Silver Cup chalk is ass.

Get it right... "Ant-Eater ASS!"

8. Cloth colors other than green or tournament blue are either ugly to look at or hell to play on.

As long as the cloth isn't black, red, or leopard print lol

9. Simonis is still the best, even though other guys have come a long way and might beat their pricing.

Thanks!

10. The guys who insist it's more "skillful" to play on slow grungy nappy cloth like in olden times are nuts.

Fast cloth is a b!tch

12. Hand powder is lame. Get a glove.

I hate hand powder, and don't need a glove, so...

14. In 8 ball, racking order doesn't matter. The end result is gonna be random anyway.

Other than the 1 and 8

15. Nobody really plays better drunk or high, they just say they do because they think it sounds cool or funny. Even if ralph greenleaf really was drunk when he shot well, he'd shoot EVEN BETTER dead sober.

Agreed, but you have to take into consideration of anxiety and how relax they are.

16. There's no such thing as a "rack mechanic", that's just a derogatory term people made up for the smart guys who learn how to read a rack vs. the dummies who just hit'n'hope.

I need to learn how to read it

17. Cuetecs wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the shiny crap on the shaft that chafes on your bridge when you're stroking with 'em.

I rake leaves with a cuetec, I absolutely hate that FG bonded crap, its like a bad martial arts movie.

18. Paying a ton of money for a custom cue just to have it and rarely (if ever) play with it is a little nuts. Not a lot, just a little.

Collectors item

21. Even though bar boxes have their own set of skills and can be interesting for gambling or whatever.. for the most part playing on little tables is not "real" pool.

I agree, but I shoot like crap on a barbox because there is no space to spread the balls

22. We're well rid of 10 footers. 9 is just right. 8 and 7 are too small.

I love 10-foot tables, 9 is cool, and 8 and 7 are way too small. The expression "The bigger the better!" lmao

23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.

That's not very nice calling me a googan, I rarely see people run multiple racks every night.

24. People who soak their tips are nuts and may also be a special form of googan.

Milk duds?

25. Ultimate googaning includes specifying a custom cue weight to the half ounce, worrying about how the inlays might affect the hit, and obsessing over the joint.

There's a reason why it is custom and cost so much. Because it is to your specification

26. You can stick a LD shaft on pretty much any butt and your cue will play great. The butt doesn't matter much.

Agreed

27. The top women can't beat the top men. I have no idea why, it should be possible, but the best men give the best women 2 or 3 balls. I don't want it to be that way, but I think it's true.

lol I'll sit back on this one

28. Straight pool is the most pure pool game, even though it's mostly dead.

Love the game

29. 9 ball is a lucky game even at the highest level.

Disagree, because I think other than the break, there is a lot of skill to position shooting

30. There are no 'styles' in pool. Those guys who say playing a shot one way vs. the other is a matter of preference... they're dead wrong. There is a single right shot for any situation, which has the highest chance of success and has the best risk/reward ratio.

Everyone's mind run differently, and everyone's skill level differ. What you can do might not be the most optimistic shot for that person.


I could do this all day but I'm due at a buddy's house. Let's see how these go down.

 

[jensen_lover]

Bump

Whatever you do for a living I want to do. How do you have that much time on your hands to type all of those statements?

 

[Cuephoric]

I am going to make some controversial(?) statements and you guys can fight me to the death on them.

It's been a little dull on the forums. Not trying to stir up too much crap, this is mostly just to see how people feel on these subjects. I'd kind of like to do it as a poll, but I can't really. So you can just write agree/disagree or explain yourself fully.

1. The stick hardly matters at all. If it's straight and has a decent tip, and the shaft isn't all sticky... a house cue is pretty much just as good as a thousand dollar cue.

You spend a fortune trying to find a cue that plays like a one piece house cue.

2. You don't need to gamble to get good (yes, even pro) at pool.

Only to progress beyond where you are at. IF rent's due and you're about broke, it's amazing how well you can play when you're betting the house-

3. There's no such thing as a "nit" or a "locksmith". People who only book winners and only play safe games are smart. People who play games where they're 50/50 to win or worse are insane and hate money.


If you can't win playing heads up, then don't play. Simple. You're either outgunned or you won. Handicapping and asking for weight is when you know you're out of your league or in a game you know you can't win.

4. If you ever said "I hit it too hard/soft" after missing a ball, you're a dink. Speed hardly affects the cut angle.

True dat! Just CB position following-

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.
True dat! See above

6. Tight pockets are overrated. This game is better and more fun on pockets where 2 balls can fit easily.


But eventually there is no more challenge in that, and you want to tighten the pockets to make it harder for your opponents and increase your speed...

7. Silver Cup chalk is ass.

True dat!(even though most chalk is made by the same companies and lables changed.)

8. Cloth colors other than green or tournament blue are either ugly to look at or hell to play on.

No comment. Except for hot pink with zebra striped rails. Still not my favorite choice to install.

9. Simonis is still the best, even though other guys have come a long way and might beat their pricing.

True dat!
10. The guys who insist it's more "skillful" to play on slow grungy nappy cloth like in olden times are nuts.
But can you beat them on it......?

11. 760 is better than 860 or anything else for playing straight pool.

860 unless you're playing snooker or are on a bigger table. IN which case, I still prefer 860, but would recommend Granito or 760 most of the time.

12. Hand powder is lame. Get a glove.

True dat! I hate hand powder-

13. Jump cues are fine, they don't need to be banned and extra-hard tips don't need to be banned unless it's literally going to chip the cue ball.

True dat!
14. In 8 ball, racking order doesn't matter. The end result is gonna be random anyway.

True dat! Except for the predictability factors that we won't go into due to time and space constraints-

15. Nobody really plays better drunk or high, they just say they do because they think it sounds cool or funny. Even if ralph greenleaf really was drunk when he shot well, he'd shoot EVEN BETTER dead sober.

Ummm..... I have to disagree. I don't even drink anymore, but I was ALOT more lethal after a couple of rounds with Jack or Beam in my system.I've seen the videos and heard the accounts to prove it.
And I've known a few others that cannot play sober if they had to.

16. There's no such thing as a "rack mechanic", that's just a derogatory term people made up for the smart guys who learn how to read a rack vs. the dummies who just hit'n'hope.
Wanna play?

17. Cuetecs wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the shiny crap on the shaft that chafes on your bridge when you're stroking with 'em.

Great break cues!

18. Paying a ton of money for a custom cue just to have it and rarely (if ever) play with it is a little nuts. Not a lot, just a little.

But it sure does make you feel good inside when you hold it!

19. People who hustle are pretty much just thieves and con artists, but for some weird reason we look up to them anyway. I guess because sometimes the shark turns out to be the fish and we all dream of being the guy who sends the road warrior home broke.
Hollywood is made up of fake people pretending for our entertainment, why not knock them,too!
20. The money in pool is so crappy it would never make sense to have it as a career. Better to treat it like a hobby that you make a living from only if you're incredibly lucky, and even then not for the rest of your life, and even then you better have a Plan B.

What if pool IS your plan "B"?

21. Even though bar boxes have their own set of skills and can be interesting for gambling or whatever.. for the most part playing on little tables is not "real" pool.

True dat! Wanna play on one anyway?
22. We're well rid of 10 footers. 9 is just right. 8 and 7 are too small.
I still love the 10 footers, but they are getting rare, otherwise...True dat!
23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.

What's a googan?
24. People who soak their tips are nuts and may also be a special form of googan.

Ditto. What's a googan?
25. Ultimate googaning includes specifying a custom cue weight to the half ounce, worrying about how the inlays might affect the hit, and obsessing over the joint.

Whew! I'm safe! I know mine down to.01 ounces with which shafts of course....
26. You can stick a LD shaft on pretty much any butt and your cue will play great. The butt doesn't matter much.

Negative ghost rider- otherwise there would be a concerted rush to buy out all of the balsam wood in China!

27. The top women can't beat the top men. I have no idea why, it should be possible, but the best men give the best women 2 or 3 balls. I don't want it to be that way, but I think it's true.

Depends on how high up the ladder they each are.
Allison Fisher or Jeannette against anything under top 5-10 is asking for a n upset somewhere....
28. Straight pool is the most pure pool game, even though it's mostly dead.

True dat!
29. 9 ball is a lucky game even at the highest level.

True dat! But "sometimes even luck itself, can be an art....."

30. There are no 'styles' in pool. Those guys who say playing a shot one way vs. the other is a matter of preference... they're dead wrong. There is a single right shot for any situation, which has the highest chance of success and has the best risk/reward ratio.

Depending upon the layout of the table and the percentages on a runnout from taking the shot versus another option available.
Limiting yourself to one option limits your game.


You know me, always gotta put my .02 worth in somewhere!

 

[jensen_lover]

Riddle me this?

Why do people buy $250,000+ supercars when they can buy a Kia for $10,000? They are the sh*t. I guess if you could choose between a: Maserati, Aston Martin, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Koenigsegg, and a Civic, the Civic would be in the running with the others. House cues do not have anywhere near the prowess of custom cues. Collectability, playability(driveablility) , looks, feel- they do not compare to a good custom made cue. Same goes for the list of cars against the Civic.

 

[jsp]

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.

I disagree. Collision induced throw might seem overrated to experienced players because compensating for it has become second nature.

23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.

I don't run multiple racks. And I bought myself a brand new 9-footer. So I guess that makes me a googan, whatever that means.

 

[erikido]

You were doing ok untill you got to the glove.

you took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Rich93]

I am going to make some controversial(?) statements and you guys can fight me to the death on them.

It's been a little dull on the forums. Not trying to stir up too much crap, this is mostly just to see how people feel on these subjects. I'd kind of like to do it as a poll, but I can't really. So you can just write agree/disagree or explain yourself fully.

1. The stick hardly matters at all. If it's straight and has a decent tip, and the shaft isn't all sticky... a house cue is pretty much just as good as a thousand dollar cue.
Agree. It might not stay straight for long, though.

2. You don't need to gamble to get good (yes, even pro) at pool.
Agree, but you have to compete somehow, and play people who are better than you.

3. There's no such thing as a "nit" or a "locksmith". People who only book winners and only play safe games are smart. People who play games where they're 50/50 to win or worse are insane and hate money.
50/50 is fine if you have a backer. Not too smart for the backer though.

4. If you ever said "I hit it too hard/soft" after missing a ball, you're a dink. Speed hardly affects the cut angle.
It affects your stroke more than anything. Too soft or too hard throws you off, and too soft can roll off. Also, you can jaw a shot hit too hard.

5. On the same subject, collision induced throw is overrated. It's barely going to affect your shot.
On soft shots I don't agree.

6. Tight pockets are overrated. This game is better and more fun on pockets where 2 balls can fit easily.
Sure, making the ball is more fun than missing it, if fun's all we're talking about.

7. Silver Cup chalk is ass.
Never used it.

8. Cloth colors other than green or tournament blue are either ugly to look at or hell to play on.
No opinion.

9. Simonis is still the best, even though other guys have come a long way and might beat their pricing.
No opinion, but why take a chance? Buy the best. Cheap in the long run.

10. The guys who insist it's more "skillful" to play on slow grungy nappy cloth like in olden times are nuts.
Agree.

11. 760 is better than 860 or anything else for playing straight pool.
I'll find out soon.

12. Hand powder is lame. Get a glove.
Disagree. I like the feel of wood running through my hand. So sue me.

13. Jump cues are fine, they don't need to be banned and extra-hard tips don't need to be banned unless it's literally going to chip the cue ball.
Strongly disagree. I hate what jump cues have done to pool.

14. In 8 ball, racking order doesn't matter. The end result is gonna be random anyway.
Never played the game enough to know.

15. Nobody really plays better drunk or high, they just say they do because they think it sounds cool or funny. Even if ralph greenleaf really was drunk when he shot well, he'd shoot EVEN BETTER dead sober.
Depends on the person, I guess. A really nervous type might play better. Never been there myself.

16. There's no such thing as a "rack mechanic", that's just a derogatory term people made up for the smart guys who learn how to read a rack vs. the dummies who just hit'n'hope.
Disagree. Who was that guy who not long ago offered to play anybody if he could rack his own? That's an admission of something.

17. Cuetecs wouldn't be bad if it weren't for the shiny crap on the shaft that chafes on your bridge when you're stroking with 'em.
Never used one.

18. Paying a ton of money for a custom cue just to have it and rarely (if ever) play with it is a little nuts. Not a lot, just a little.
To each his own. Also, live and let live. Final cliche - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

19. People who hustle are pretty much just thieves and con artists, but for some weird reason we look up to them anyway. I guess because sometimes the shark turns out to be the fish and we all dream of being the guy who sends the road warrior home broke.
See #18. I look up to Luther Lassiter because he played such great pool, but of course I admire Irving Crane a lot more as a human being.

20. The money in pool is so crappy it would never make sense to have it as a career. Better to treat it like a hobby that you make a living from only if you're incredibly lucky, and even then not for the rest of your life, and even then you better have a Plan B.
Strongly agree.

21. Even though bar boxes have their own set of skills and can be interesting for gambling or whatever.. for the most part playing on little tables is not "real" pool.
Agree.

22. We're well rid of 10 footers. 9 is just right. 8 and 7 are too small.
Agree on 10 footers, especially since I'm short. Agree 9 is just right.

23. If you don't run multiple racks every night and you own 500+ bucks worth of pool stuff, you're a googan.
See #18.

24. People who soak their tips are nuts and may also be a special form of googan.
With all the great tips out there, you shouldn't have to do anything special. But I'm not calling Efren a googan, whatever that is.

25. Ultimate googaning includes specifying a custom cue weight to the half ounce, worrying about how the inlays might affect the hit, and obsessing over the joint.
If you're going to play with the cue, why not worry about these things? We want the best playing cue we can afford. Of course, a great playing cue is not going to matter much in how well I play.

26. You can stick a LD shaft on pretty much any butt and your cue will play great. The butt doesn't matter much.
You're contradicting yourself a little. See #1. House cues don't have LD shafts. But it's true that the butt doesn't matter much, if you're not Jennifer Lopez.

27. The top women can't beat the top men. I have no idea why, it should be possible, but the best men give the best women 2 or 3 balls. I don't want it to be that way, but I think it's true.
Of course it's true over long matches, but they're getting closer every year.

28. Straight pool is the most pure pool game, even though it's mostly dead.
Strongly agree. In fact, this makes up for all your wrong opinions.

29. 9 ball is a lucky game even at the highest level.
Yes, more luck in 9 ball than other games. The break and the rack have assumed too much importance.

30. There are no 'styles' in pool. Those guys who say playing a shot one way vs. the other is a matter of preference... they're dead wrong. There is a single right shot for any situation, which has the highest chance of success and has the best risk/reward ratio.
Not in straight pool. Lots of ways to run a rack.


I could do this all day but I'm due at a buddy's house. Let's see how these go down.

This could have been 30 threads, but it was fun.

 

[qbilder]

1. I think pool is awesome & should be free for everybody to get whatever enjoyment they can from it without hate mongers ruining it for them. They should buy whatever cue makes them feel good, and chalk it with whatever they want. They should feel good about putting their skills to the ultimate test of gambling, if they so choose. And they should do it on any size table with any cloth of any color.

2. Over analytical slow players should be banned until they can learn to grow some nuts & stroke the balls like everybody else. Get better with skill & learn as you go, or else stay off my table. I don't care about luck ratio because it's nullified by concrete skill.

3. I think pool died because of nits putting stipulations & petty rules on a robust game to make it more appealing. The golden days of pool were full of gambling, booz, & general bad behavior, and everybody in America loved it. It was major league. Minnesota Fats was the best thing for pool & we are lucky now to even hear a player talk on tv. Earl is virally addictive to watch because of his unmatched skill partered with his colorful, unpredictable personality, but people dog him & say he makes pool look bad. Look good, look bad, doesn't matter they watch Earl & love it. Pool is a gambling game of skill & wits, not a sport. Cut the BS nitting & let pool shine it's true colors. Poker will then suck donkeyass.

4. Who cares what size a table is so long as people are playing it? Table sizes are chosen for the space they will be fit to. The game doesn't change. Any champion will gamble on any size table. Yes, gambling is good. It's kinda the nature of pool.

5 & final. Take all of your dream sheet & make everything the way you want it. You get only 9 footers with non-gamblers using only house cues, and everybody plays every shot exactly the same no matter their skill level. The color of the cloth can only be green or blue & made by simonis. Straight pool is the game to play. Anybody who doesn't conform is a googan. Congrats, you have been found playing with yourself in a lame game that only you will play.

P.S. i think women don't succeed any more than they do because insecure men have never given them the space to do it. i have seen allison, caren & jeneatte play absolutely perfect pool, shutting out matches. that kind of pool wins against any opponent, male or female.

Eric = non-hater, lover of equal opportunity, and hard core believer that everybody should be able to enjoy pool & am thankful for the endless variables available to them

 

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Googan

23. I guess I am a googan. Whatever that is.

This must be the best post of the year. Way to go Creedo.

 

[dragon81]

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