Filler and TRex. Tue -Wed at Roys

gxman

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Billy's camp been running after Efren for a rematch, but I think Efren's backers are ducking since his game has clearly decline some.
 

skogstokig

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Europe's five greatest players that came before Filler, namely Souquet, Feijen, Ortmann, Hohmann and Appleton, legends all of them, went about their development very differently. I wonder if some of the top young Europeans, so many of whom are phenomenal cueists, will begin to adopt Filler's approach to reaching the highest possible level of achievement at pool.

didn't ortmann gamble a bit when he first came over? i know ralph has his principles against gambling, which i admire him for, even though i'm a man with many vices myself

also, people rave about fillers sharp shooting and assume that other european or chinese contemporaries could excel in one hole. but fillers banking is scary good. i can only think of billy thorpe as one who banks with the same confidence.
 

Poolplaya9

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I don't think Dennis would have been able to beat T. Cho when he first started playing One Pocket.

I saw their first ever one pocket gambling match (for $3,000 I think it was?) way back when. Think it was in either 2007 or 2009. I also seem to recall it was the first time Dennis had ever played one pocket, or at least gambled on it anyway and was brand new to the game. The details of the match are a bit fuzzy at this point but Tony did win fairly easily and Dennis decided he didn't want any more of it.
 

Nostroke

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Europe's five greatest players that came before Filler, namely Souquet, Feijen, Ortmann, Hohmann and Appleton, legends all of them, went about their development very differently. I wonder if some of the top young Europeans, so many of whom are phenomenal cueists, will begin to adopt Filler's approach to reaching the highest possible level of achievement at pool.

I might exclude Appleton-The first thing he did Post BCA when he got here was give Ignacio 'Jesse' Chavez the 8 in a good size gambling match (he lost), playing on his own $ and continued to do so until he finally got disgusted losing to Bartram giving him a spot in Vegas at Sharpshooters? Whatever it was before Griffs.

Feijen also gambled quite extensively throughout the mid west when he first came over, years before he was considered an elite player though.
 
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sjm

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I might exclude Appleton-The first thing he did Post BCA when he got her was give Ignacio 'Jesse' Chavez the 8 in a good size gambling match (he lost), playing on his own $ and continued to do so until he finally got disgusted losing to Bartram giving him a spot in Vegas at Sharpshooters? Whatever it was before Griffs.

Feijen also gambled quite extensively throughout the mid west when he first came over, years before he was considered an elite player though.

Several of the Europeans gambled from time to time, most notably Shaw and Appleton -- lalso Nick Ekonomopoulos. I've just contended that, in most cases, the road to excellence for the biggest stars of Europe came chiefly in competition.

Never knew that about Niels Feijen. Thanks for sharing.
 

one stroke

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I'm not hating on Filler...I love watching him play any game...He's fearless.

With that said : I watched several action matches on that table...Those pockets may be 4.5 but they play like buckets. 4.5 inch pockets are like a valley bar table to a world class player.

To say Filler was dialed in on that table...would be the understatement of the century. He's been playing on that table for probably 6 weeks-10 hours a day.

Tony should of never played him on that table. High level one pocket should always be played on an extremely tight table. Filler's ball pocketing and decisions on when to shoot and what to shoot would of been totally different on a brutally tight table.

The notion that Alex or Dennis would struggle to beat Filler is laughable. These 2 would barbecue Filler in every aspect of the game of one pocket. Another aspect is the patience that Alex and Dennis would employ. These 2 would gladly take the game up the table and wait as long as possible to go on the offense if needed. Filler's knowledge of the game isn't challenged if he's shooting at his pocket 90% of the time.

With all that said...hats of to Jonathan Filler. He's a pleasure to watch. I wasn't a fan after his initial Mosconi appearance....but this kid has a way of growing on you.

Thanks again to Roy's Basement and Big Truck Ray Hanson for giving us pool junkies fresh content through this pandemic.

Standard Diamond pro cut pockets, , I highly doubt DO and Alex would BBQ Filler , DO and Fillers game are quite similar they rely on straight shooting and Filler shoots straighter so I just can't see DO running away from him , Alex's style I think presents a bigger challenge as he's a better banker and moves better than DO a better version of TRex is how I see his game , If they Both win I'd think Alex would win by a larger margin

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iusedtoberich

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In about 2009 or 2010 Johnny Archer was still in stroke and I recall he and Shane were trying to match up. Those two were head and shoulders the best two in the USA. Archer being alone at the top for the prior 10 years, until TAR 1 when Shane burst on the scene by tortured Corey.

They couldn't agree to a match. I can't recall if it was a pocket size issue, or maybe a GC vs Diamond issue.

I recall saying on the forums at the time it would be a shame for the match NOT to happen, as this would be the last opportunity to see who is the best USA player, since Archer's career was beginning to wind down at that point (and did in fact end up that way if you look at his 2010 to 2020 performances). So we never got to see that battle.

Now, 10 years later, there is a similar situation going on with Shane and Filler. Its not best player in USA this time, but rather title of best player in the world. Shane maybe won't ever come back from the Corona, and might instead go fishing the rest of his life. Who knows. I certainly hope we can see a Shane vs Filler action match, or several. 10 ball between these two would be great, and is both of their main games. But, I think if they matched up in bank pool and one pocket, these two players would put on such a great show, it would be every bit as good as Filler vs Tony was. It might be the biggest draw. It would be the level of the Shane vs Efren matches, IMO. Everyone in the whole world will want to watch. Its not USA vs Europe, but rather, who is the best player in the world match.

I really hope we fans will be able to sweat multiple Shane vs Filler action matches in multiple disciplines! Win for everyone.
 

jasonlaus

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Several of the Europeans gambled from time to time, most notably Shaw and Appleton -- lalso Nick Ekonomopoulos. I've just contended that, in most cases, the road to excellence for the biggest stars of Europe came chiefly in competition.

Never knew that about Niels Feijen. Thanks for sharing.

Watched Neils beat Santos in a 7 ahead 9 ball match.


Actually had 2 matches going on at the same time.

I took Steve Mccannish(sp) over Larry Nevel, and Neils over Santos.

Nevel broke and ran out the set on Steve, and Santos broke and ran 6, took a long time for the match to end. I was in with S Daulton and somebody else on the Neils match.

Thought I was gonna lose both sets without my player ever picking up a cue. Luckily I had a few hundred more on Neils and actually made $$$
 

sjm

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Watched Neils beat Santos in a 7 ahead 9 ball match.


Actually had 2 matches going on at the same time.

I took Steve Mccannish(sp) over Larry Nevel, and Neils over Santos.

Nevel broke and ran out the set on Steve, and Santos broke and ran 6, took a long time for the match to end. I was in with S Daulton and somebody else on the Neils match.

Thought I was gonna lose both sets without my player ever picking up a cue. Luckily I had a few hundred more on Neils and actually made $$$

You're always getting the cash! Stay the course, fella.
 

westcoast

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In about 2009 or 2010 Johnny Archer was still in stroke and I recall he and Shane were trying to match up. Those two were head and shoulders the best two in the USA. Archer being alone at the top for the prior 10 years, until TAR 1 when Shane burst on the scene by tortured Corey.

They couldn't agree to a match. I can't recall if it was a pocket size issue, or maybe a GC vs Diamond issue.

I recall saying on the forums at the time it would be a shame for the match NOT to happen, as this would be the last opportunity to see who is the best USA player, since Archer's career was beginning to wind down at that point (and did in fact end up that way if you look at his 2010 to 2020 performances). So we never got to see that battle.

Now, 10 years later, there is a similar situation going on with Shane and Filler. Its not best player in USA this time, but rather title of best player in the world. Shane maybe won't ever come back from the Corona, and might instead go fishing the rest of his life. Who knows. I certainly hope we can see a Shane vs Filler action match, or several. 10 ball between these two would be great, and is both of their main games. But, I think if they matched up in bank pool and one pocket, these two players would put on such a great show, it would be every bit as good as Filler vs Tony was. It might be the biggest draw. It would be the level of the Shane vs Efren matches, IMO. Everyone in the whole world will want to watch. Its not USA vs Europe, but rather, who is the best player in the world match.

I really hope we fans will be able to sweat multiple Shane vs Filler action matches in multiple disciplines! Win for everyone.

I think Archer beat Shane in their TAR match up- I think it was in 10 ball races to 25 and he won 2 sets to 1
 

manopr350

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Filler vs TRex

If you want to see Real One Pocket it should be 3-7/8 pockets.., you will probably see the End Game of a One Pocket Game. Otherwise, Straight Pool should be the gameto watch.
In my Honest Opinión.
 

sjm

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We just witnessed some of the best one pocket, and you two want to set back a few decades.

Totally agree. One pocket should be a mix of the moves game and offensive aggression. If you make the pocketing ridiculously tough, it not only makes it much more of a moving game, and it also makes it practically unwatchable.

I recall watching one pocket played with pool balls on a 6 x 12 snooker table in the late 1990's at Chelsea Billiards in New York, NY. It took forever and wasn't interesting to watch. Heaven forbid we should move back in that direction.

The truth is that 4 1/2" pockets are not loose and provide a sufficiently stiff test of pocketing for every player that ever lived. That's why it is the most commonly encountered specification at the pro level.
 

manopr350

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Filler vs TRex

Bullseye! Impossible to watch. That is the difference between the One Pocket Games must people are use to watch to the One Pocket Games played on Pool Halls that caters to One Pocket Players that play for money.
It is all about the money when it comes to TV and video watching. I understand that clearly. But when you go and play One Pocket for cash at any Pool Hall that caters to One Pocket players, you better be ready to play on tables under 4” pockets.., and this is not my Honest Opinion.., it is the truth.
 

iusedtoberich

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I've been playing one hole for 20 years in Philly, a one hole town. Tripple shimmed GC's were the standard for one hole. They measure about 4 1/2" or so.

A pro cut diamond is tougher! Same mouth, but the shelf is way deeper.

Saying one hole players like to play on 4" or less pockets and prefer it may be a niche thing, not everywhere. C players that can't run 8 and out are the ones who like 4" pockets, IMO.
 

overlord

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I've been playing one hole for 20 years in Philly, a one hole town. Tripple shimmed GC's were the standard for one hole. They measure about 4 1/2" or so.

A pro cut diamond is tougher! Same mouth, but the shelf is way deeper.

Saying one hole players like to play on 4" or less pockets and prefer it may be a niche thing, not everywhere. C players that can't run 8 and out are the ones who like 4" pockets, IMO.

Everything changes with large pockets, like taking balls out of your opponents pocket.

All over Southern California Ernesto has worked his super tight magic. I've seen all kinds of 8 and out on those sub 4 inch pockets. In the East they play more straight pool.

One Pocket has become very popular.
 

Nostroke

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Everything changes with large pockets, like taking balls out of your opponents pocket.

All over Southern California Ernesto has worked his super tight magic. I've seen all kinds of 8 and out on those sub 4 inch pockets. In the East they play more straight pool.

One Pocket has become very popular.

His super tight magic has probably prevented 5000 kids from taking up the sport.
 
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