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I just saw a new thread started about a new tip, that the poster says, sounds promising. It's made from "nubuck nap", whatever that is. :confused:

My question to all:

Why is there always a quest for bigger, better, new and improved when any one of us would give an arm, or a leg, or maybe both to shoot as well as our low-tech heros of the past. The Mosconis, Cranes, and Greenleafs, for instance. Or more recently, Earl, Keith and Efren, all of whom shot pretty well thirty years ago, also with old technology.

I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to getting on the bandwagon - I play with Morri layered tips because that's what we were told we needed in order to take our games to the next level, a layered tip. And, frankly, I really do like how they hit but then came the Kamui's. Then the Kamui blacks. Now I think I've heard there's another Kamui model just out.

I'm rethinking my position on the importance of 'new technology' as it relates to elevating my (our) game. I started to put triangles on my playing shafts, they cost about four bucks and I used them thirty years ago with good results.

And what about the aiming systems, and low deflection shafts. How in the world did the old school legends get by without all this stuff?

When I watch golf on tv, which is very infrequently, I see that they're constantly hawking new breakthrough products in a big way. There were Berthas, and Beuhlas, Pings with various colored "dots", wood shafts, metals, glass, putters almost as tall as the golfers, Titlist, Nike and Taylor made all vying for your dollars. And, no doubt, with these products your numbers will go real low. ;) How ever did Sam, Jack and Arnold manage without these products?

So, here it is:

Are we suckers for believing that all or any of these products are really going to do enough for our game to make them worthwhile to get? Are we chasing rainbows, caught up in the big pool products marketing psychology? If all of those greats, from days of old, shot lights out consistently without the need for such items, why do we line up like sheep waiting for the next great thing?

Think of all the 'nubucks' that wouldn't have to be killed to support our obsession if we would stay with proven low-tech products. :grin-square:

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Funny that you would post this at this time Brian.
I just got home from a tournament, in which Cliff Thorburn played.
After the tourney, I asked Cliff what kind of cue he was using.
He pulled it out of his case and gave it to me, he said its just some cheap Chinese cue. And you know what, thats exactly what it was. Yet, he plowed thru a field of masters with it to win first place. And the rest of the players, one was using a Searing and another a Mezz.
The rest of the cues the players were using, you wouldn't have recognized the names on the cues.
Go figure.

Yeah, and thanks to you Brian, PETA is going to have ammunition for another campaign to save the Nubucks.
 
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its kind of like sports teams coming out with new jerseys every few yrs...dont make the team play better but it seems like everyone wants to be the first to own one.
i bought up all the old Dufferins i could and i dont care what the new stuff is make of or what they claim the new technology can do for my game...my game will only get better with practice and i still haven't seen a substitute for old fashion hard work.
 
I call most of the new pool stuff placebo's. Some of them give your game a boost up for awhile because you want it to and focus more trying to prove it works for you. It works for awhile because no one wants to admit they fell into the con and bought it. I was guilty of this bigtime for about 18 months trying to get my game back. I bought about $300 or more worth of stuff that would make me shoot like a pro. About a month ago I went back to my old game without any frills. I can honestly say I shoot well every day, not just some days or for an hour a day. I remembered "you can't buy a stroke". Johnnyt
 
My answer to your question is yes. We are suckers. But if it were not for the suckers all these manufacturers would go under. The same thing happens in golf. They come out with a new club or ball that will go further and straighter, when in fact, it doesn't.
 
Well KC I don't know what a Nubuck is or what part of the world they graze in but a nap sounds great:grin:.
J/K Jim thinks that Nubuck = suede.
 
Mr. Chicken,

It's all bull-nap!

You're right. There's no magic wand or special tip that's going to make you a WORLD CLASS PLAYER.

I'm in the process of coming out with a CD, that has all the answers to every question known to man or woman about the game of pool.

I figure I'll have it complete ten or fifteen years after I'm dead.

You might want to put it on your BUCKET LIST.

"The answers my friend are blowing in the wind."

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http://tommcgonaglerightoncue.com
 
I quit using fancy-schmantzy $15 apiece layered tips several years ago. Since I quit using them, there has been a multitude of new brands of expensive layered tips come into the market. I will never try them, nor will I succumb to the thought that the more I pay for a tip, the better it will play. Just give me a good 'ol cheap piece of leather on the end of my cues. Now, I exclusively use a 50-cent Triangle on all my shafts (that don't already come with a layered tip on it. I won't cut the Everest tips off of my Preds or OB as long as they are usable). I found out the hard way (i.e. the expensive way) that the tip is not as important to proper playing as we would like to think it is. It is more of a feel/preference thing, to which I prefer to go with a cheap tip that moves the cueball around decent enough and holds chalk extremely well. My play was never any better when I used layered tips as compared to the tip I now use.

Maniac
 
I like others am guilty of this. I guess I would rather spend extra cash on pool stuff then other goods. I buy some gadgets, some collectables ect, but I agree there's no secret weapon thats going to make you a pro.

I don't think anythings wrong with experimenting with different tips, chalk whatever it may be in order to get your preferred feel as long as your not brainwashed into thinking you have to have the latest and greatest to play well.
 
Put Tiger against Sam on Bethpage under tourney conditions each using the equipment of their times and its no contest! Tiger is gonna walk all over Sam!

Chris
 
Put Tiger against Sam on Bethpage under tourney conditions each using the equipment of their times and its no contest! Tiger is gonna walk all over Sam!

Chris

And how about you against Sam? :grin-square:

That's my point. You get to use all the latest gear, the tall putter, latest greatest clubs, the long ball...and poor Sam is stuck with what's in his old school golf bag -

What's that I hear?.....it's Sam; he's asking permission to play through you for the third time... lol ...

Get what I mean?

Best,
Brian kc
 
Put Tiger against Sam on Bethpage under tourney conditions each using the equipment of their times and its no contest! Tiger is gonna walk all over Sam!

Chris

Put Tiger on the course with Sam's equipment and course conditions and i bet its a different tale. I have always wondered what it would look like if you put today's golf pros on a crappy muni course that us everyday folks play and listen to them whine.

I think some of today's equipment "can" be of benefit to most average players because most of us average players dont have the hours and hours the spend honing our strokes and practicing shots over and over till we cant miss. I myself have very limited time to spend at practice so if a LD shaft will enable me to make an extra ball from time to time then i am all for it. as always this is just my humble ramblings.

Mike
 
Boy a lot of people spend bundles of money trying to sell magic. And there are more times than I want to admit I can't want to press the pay-pal send button. Been there with a lot of you guys tried every chalk, layered tip an magic glove out there. Bottom line it's what Johnny't said you can't buy a stroke. Believe me if you could I would have one. :wink:
 
Funny that you would post this at this time Brian.
I just got home from a tournament, in which Cliff Thorburn played.
After the tourney, I asked Cliff what kind of cue he was using.
He pulled it out of his case and gave it to me, he said its just some cheap Chinese cue. And you know what, thats exactly what it was. Yet, he plowed thru a field of masters with it to win first place. And the rest of the players, one was using a Searing and another a Mezz.
The rest of the cues the players were using, you wouldn't have recognized the names on the cues.
Go figure.

Yeah, and thanks to you Brian, PETA is going to have ammunition for another campaign to save the Nubucks.

Cliff Thorburn could have "plowed thru a field of masters..." with a broomstick.

Just sayn
 
Everyone keeps saying "you can't buy a stroke" and to some extent that is true. Either you have what it takes to be a champ or you dont. Thats not the point though. Technology can help the average player play better. Be it golf or pool. The question is, has the technology been created that will do this consistentaly?

Chris
 
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