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Blackjack said:
To both you & JAM:

I never mentioned Charlie Williams in my comment. From what you describe, your friend is IMO, an idiot. Furthermore, I challenge you to come up with one positive thing that comes from holding a grudge like that. It's nonsense. It's wasted energy. Knock yourself out with it. The rest of us are going to work towards something bigger than all that garbage that keeps the sport where it is currently stuck.

Blackjack,

I know Charlie and Jake. I have never met the sour grape malcontents who have posted such negative comments about pool. Pool will move on with or without the posters in this low life billiard forum and Charlie will be one of the
movers an shakers. Attached photo of Landon and his dad and I don't think
they care what the nattering nabobs of negative pool have typed in this thread.

READ THE REAL TRUTH (CLICK)

willz21
 

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willz21 said:
Blackjack,

I know Charlie and Jake. I have never met the sour grape malcontents who have posted such negative comments about pool. Pool will move on with or without the posters in this low life billiard forum and Charlie will be one of the
movers an shakers. Attached photo of Landon and his dad and I don't think
they care what the nattering nabobs of negative pool have typed in this thread.

READ THE REAL TRUTH (CLICK)

willz21

Gremlin - go away, you pathetic degenerate scum. Go find a WPBA message forum....
 
Smorgass Bored I'll probably see Charlie again at Strokers on the 10th & 11th and again at Planet 9-Ball for his Patriot Cup Tournament said:
Yeh...I'm sure he's already starting psychological counseling from the depression and loneliness of not being able to do that again. :rolleyes:
(why do you hurt people so badly)
 
JAM said:
The lady lives in the REAL world, Jake. Maybe the reason "when they fall, they fall hard" is because they are labeled "bums" by folks like you. Tyson may have fallen in his latest boxing match, but he still pocketed $5 million, something I don't believe any pool player in my lifetime will earn.

JAM
$2,000,000 right off the top to creditors. $750,00 off the top to x wife. Most of the rest to IRS and he still owes $40,000,000 to them. Tyson made pretty much nothing.
 
Maybe the IRS needs to be involved in finding the perpetrator of the missing $34,000 from under the table. THAT is income that's going unreported and should be in Uncle's coffers. Find who that is and they'll probably also find a whole list of names that will fall like dominoes for unreported income. And yes, gambling winnings are classified as earnings. Ask any track or casino.
 
Superstroke said:
...But the fact of the matter is, Charlie has stepped on some toes in his time and sometimes even stomped on them.

JAM said:
Stepped on some toes and, in some instances, insulted veterans of the game, some who have been playing pool PROFESSIONALLY well before he was even born on this earth.

Blackjack said:
...To both you & JAM...Furthermore, I challenge you to come up with one positive thing that comes from holding a grudge like that. It's nonsense. It's wasted energy. Knock yourself out with it. The rest of us are going to work towards something bigger than all that garbage that keeps the sport where it is currently stuck.

Blackjack, I hold a great deal of respect for you personally and admire your ambition and desire to support professional pool. You're a little late, though, catching a ride on the UPA train.

Unless and until you have walked in the shoes of those who have been stepped on and treated like a piece of garbage by the so-called "men's governing body of professional pool," your challenge to come up with something positive falls on my deaf ears.

I do not desire to get into a heated debate on a public forum, but I am damn straight entitled to my opinion, after experiencing the inequities and untruths spewed out of the mouths of representatives of the organization that you so faithfully support in very recent times.

Now stick a fork in me; I'm done!

JAM
 
Gremlin said:
Blackjack,

I know Charlie and Jake....

So who's Jake? :confused:

Gremlin said:
...I have never met the sour grape malcontents who have posted such negative comments about pool. Pool will move on with or without the posters in this low life billiard forum...

The words "low" and life" are descriptive adjectvies and should be hyphenated for clarity. ;)

Gremlin said:
...and Charlie will be one of the movers an shakers...

I've never seen him dance. :D

Gremlin said:
...Attached photo of Landon and his dad and I don't think
they care what the nattering nabobs of negative pool have typed in this thread....

Thanks for the photo. Nice group shot, too! :)

And I do like the flow of "nattering nabobs of negative pool," but I don't know what a nabob is! :p

JAM
 
willz21 said:
Blackjack,

I know Charlie and Jake. I have never met the sour grape malcontents who have posted such negative comments about pool. Pool will move on with or without the posters in this low life billiard forum and Charlie will be one of the
movers an shakers. Attached photo of Landon and his dad and I don't think
they care what the nattering nabobs of negative pool have typed in this thread.

READ THE REAL TRUTH (CLICK)

willz21
I wondered how long it would take the troll to come out into the light. Too bad we're not living in middle earth where he would turn to stone. :rolleyes:
 
What a moron..... I do bet that some WPBA girls sleep much better at night knowing that some of the "stalker energy" has been redirected to Charlie Williams for the past few months....

"The contents of this website do not represent the views, idea’s or policies of the pool personalities, or companies here in mentioned and only reflect the views, idea’s and policies of the owner of this website.
“Gremlin” "

:rolleyes:
 
Blackjack said:
To both you & JAM:

Furthermore, I challenge you to come up with one positive thing that comes from holding a grudge like that. It's nonsense. It's wasted energy.

I completely understand what you mean about anger and wasted energy and it really having no place if one wants to work towards something bigger and better in pool.
The problem is, that it is HIS problem, and if he feels that he wants to hold a grudge, then he is perfectly entitled.
The positive thing that might come out of it(for him), is that he's satisfied whenever he see's Charlie. It is their thing, no one elses.

As for working towards something bigger in pool. Certain pool organizations are governing pool right now, The antics of certain founding member of this organization are part of the "garbage" of which you speak, that does not help pool in any way.
It only helps him


Superstroke
 
JAM said:
Blackjack, I hold a great deal of respect for you personally and admire your ambition and desire to support professional pool. You're a little late, though, catching a ride on the UPA train.

Unless and until you have walked in the shoes of those who have been stepped on and treated like a piece of garbage by the so-called "men's governing body of professional pool," your challenge to come up with something positive falls on my deaf ears.

I do not desire to get into a heated debate on a public forum, but I am damn straight entitled to my opinion, after experiencing the inequities and untruths spewed out of the mouths of representatives of the organization that you so faithfully support in very recent times.

Now stick a fork in me; I'm done!

JAM

The only part of my earlier post that was met for you JAM was the fact that I did not mention Charlie. The rest of what I wrote was for Superstroke. I apologize if I upset you with my comments. They were directed at the stupidity of what Superstroke described when his friend sees Charlie. I have spoken to you about your concerns with the UPA and I completely respect your position - and BTW... I'd never stick a fork in you... it would hurt.
 
By the way ...

I love this sport, even with all of its failings, and believe myself to be a
sincere person that wants the best for the overall sport.

I am educated and experienced in the business world, and believe myself
to be a reasonably intelligent person (I was invited to join Mensa when
I lived in Indy for awhile), and I do not believe that putting the sport
on the right road is an unsurmountable task for a seasoned professional
business person.

I emailed the UPA (from their official website), and offered my services
and support after offering some of my credentials which, I believe, qualifies
me to do the 'job'. To date, I have not received a reply.

There are so many dedicated people to the sport who are more than
qualified to help make this sport better for everyone. Just how do
we help get these people into the right positions to benefit us all?

This sport has been spinning its wheels for too long, too many 'haves'
and 'have not' type attitudes. It's time we put the 'can do' attitude
at the forefront of this sport and its organizations, and garner the
support needed to help 'our' sport advance.

Yes, I am an idealist (I am a double Aquarian, what do you expect?),
but if you don't dare to dream, how are you ever going to soar with the
eagles?
 
You know, the funny thing is that nothing on this page is by Gremlin. Two of the pics are Diana Hoppe's (No credit given to her) and the other two were sent out by Charlie along with the complete letter that is on the page.

Something else kind of funny. I thought I banned Gremlin. :)

Mike

willz21 said:
Blackjack,

I know Charlie and Jake. I have never met the sour grape malcontents who have posted such negative comments about pool. Pool will move on with or without the posters in this low life billiard forum and Charlie will be one of the
movers an shakers. Attached photo of Landon and his dad and I don't think
they care what the nattering nabobs of negative pool have typed in this thread.

READ THE REAL TRUTH (CLICK)

willz21
 
from CW

Smorgass Bored said:
Yeah,I attended also and the day was ruined for me and many others by the actions of one individual. Lets say that a very nice young player who's dying to participate shows up at 11:00 a.m. to watch the players warm up. This same young man has won his entry into the Jr. Nationals,but lacks the $150 to play against some of his idols in this event.A local player/benefactor who is playing in this event pays the young man's entry and the excited young fellow begins to warm up with some of the players. Now, this event is limited to 64 players and they only get 50 players,so they have 14 'byes' written in. They randomly draw the names and the fifth player pulled draws this young fellow,who really wants to play his best and advance as far as possible for all his home room friends and fans. They write in the table assignments, copy the pairings to a yellow legal pad, make the name cards and call the matches. The tournament was suppossed to start at 1:00 p.m. but they started a little late (around 1:25). After awhile, the young man's opponent hasn't shown up and he (plus many others) wants to put him 'on the clock'. It seems that he's running late (though everyone else managed to get there) and the TD won't put him on the clock. The TD decides to put another match on the assigned table and wait for this late 'Pro',who showed up to play at 2:30.This 'Pro' wouldn't never have waited for this young man to show up. When I asked this 'Pro' about this he said,"they made a mistake and shouldn't have called me until the second round." Well, that's not the way the names came out. He was drawn and his table/match called.A clear case of the TD wrongly showing favortism to a friend and high profile 'Pro' player who is very full of himself.Even the TD's assistant thought that the matter was handled incorrectly. He thought that the best action would have been to advance the young man to the next bracket and let the missing Pro buy into one of the remaining 'bye' slots at the very least,while most everyone else that knew what was going on thought the 'Pro' should have been forfeited.I left early yesterday and didn't go back today.I understand from a close friend,who called me after each match today,that when it was time for the finals,this same 'Pro' was not present,but had gone to eat. He was called on the phone and told that he needed to get back quickly (I mean, there WERE players and spectators waiting to watch the finals). I'm told that his reply was, "I'm eating.I'll get there when I get there." I think that the 'Pro' should have been put on the clock (in round two,they put a player on the clock). The 'Pro' didn't even bother to apologize to the young man,who he beat 7-1. I know that I'm probably burning my bridges by posting this,but I've thought about it for more than 24 hours and don't really give a damn.... I've always liked this 'Pro',but some people have outgrown their britches.. imo



I havent replied to a forum post in years, but its been entertaining following all the hubbub.

Heres some facts that have not come out or been misconstrued(funny how that happens alot on the forums):


I called to see what time I would play and they told me I would be in the 2nd round. On the way there, they called me back and told me they made a mistake and accidentally called me in the 1st round. THey asked me to hurry and I said Id do my best.
Secondly, the Sunday matches are timed scheduled. The finals was set for 9pm and it is clearly stated on the chart. After my winners bracket match, I went to eat with several fans and friends. In the middle of dinner, I get a phone call to come back at 8:30pm to play. I explained I was eating dinner. The people I were with said the match was scheduled at 9pm and we wanted to watch it but our food just came out. I told FL Tour that I think its best to start matches at 9pm because some fans might be planning for that time and I think its important to look out for those people who might be coming there just to watch the finals. I did not ever once say, "Ill get there when I get there". I believe Rodney Morris, Rob Saez, and several others who were listening to this conversation can attest to that.
Mitchell and his little brother are real cool kids and we get along great...before and after that match. In fact, they just asked me today for a Dragon Promotions patch and a Predator patch to wear at Junior Nationals. (Good luck guys & the patches are on their way)
Hope that helps clear up some things.

Charlie Williams
www.dragonpromotions.com

PS "The guys who run the tournaments who are appologizing up and down to Charlie for not having a trailer ready with bottles of mineral water, freshly cut flowers, platters of fresh fruit, and an on sight korean chef, are the ones that should be shot. This is POOL, not Hollywood."- Quote from Superstroke

That IS really funny! I was reading it to my friend on the phone and we both cracked up. Especially the Korean chef part...(i love Kim Chi Ji Gae!!) I hope DP can make that happen for the players one day
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Yeah,I attended also and the day was ruined for me and many others by the actions of one individual. Lets say that a very nice young player who's dying to participate shows up at 11:00 a.m. to watch the players warm up. This same young man has won his entry into the Jr. Nationals,but lacks the $150 to play against some of his idols in this event.A local player/benefactor who is playing in this event pays the young man's entry and the excited young fellow begins to warm up with some of the players. Now, this event is limited to 64 players and they only get 50 players,so they have 14 'byes' written in. They randomly draw the names and the fifth player pulled draws this young fellow,who really wants to play his best and advance as far as possible for all his home room friends and fans. They write in the table assignments, copy the pairings to a yellow legal pad, make the name cards and call the matches. The tournament was suppossed to start at 1:00 p.m. but they started a little late (around 1:25). After awhile, the young man's opponent hasn't shown up and he (plus many others) wants to put him 'on the clock'. It seems that he's running late (though everyone else managed to get there) and the TD won't put him on the clock. The TD decides to put another match on the assigned table and wait for this late 'Pro',who showed up to play at 2:30.This 'Pro' wouldn't never have waited for this young man to show up. When I asked this 'Pro' about this he said,"they made a mistake and shouldn't have called me until the second round." Well, that's not the way the names came out. He was drawn and his table/match called.A clear case of the TD wrongly showing favortism to a friend and high profile 'Pro' player who is very full of himself.Even the TD's assistant thought that the matter was handled incorrectly. He thought that the best action would have been to advance the young man to the next bracket and let the missing Pro buy into one of the remaining 'bye' slots at the very least,while most everyone else that knew what was going on thought the 'Pro' should have been forfeited.I left early yesterday and didn't go back today.I understand from a close friend,who called me after each match today,that when it was time for the finals,this same 'Pro' was not present,but had gone to eat. He was called on the phone and told that he needed to get back quickly (I mean, there WERE players and spectators waiting to watch the finals). I'm told that his reply was, "I'm eating.I'll get there when I get there." I think that the 'Pro' should have been put on the clock (in round two,they put a player on the clock). The 'Pro' didn't even bother to apologize to the young man,who he beat 7-1. I know that I'm probably burning my bridges by posting this,but I've thought about it for more than 24 hours and don't really give a damn.... I've always liked this 'Pro',but some people have outgrown their britches.. imo


And once again, we have Smorgass Bored stirring shit with his big fat lying mouth and acting as the "Exalted One". The Chief of Forum Police at his finest as usual. (This doesn't sound anything like Charlie's side of the story, oh obese one)
 
his side there side & the truth

Its great for you to come on and explain your side.There are always 3 sides to a story.If thats the way it happened then I will be the first to agree that what you did was the proper thing.I dont know why you pissed so many people off and its none of my business but since you are in the limelight,you might want to work on your public relations.
Bob
 
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