For all you die hard Brunswick fans!

CaptiveBred said:
I did not mean a dimond slate. Just any ol 1 piece slate bolted to a GC4 frame would give leveling after setup... At least I think so... Could be done on the cheap side too.


Anyways - its not the table that plays nice... Its how it was set up that makes them play nice. Dimond is not going to play "better" than a GC unless the GC installation was sabotaged :) Its physics, not magic!
Sorry, it would have to be a Diamond 9ft slate, as they are the only ones in the world today that has the one piece slate 1" x 57 x 107 manufactured. And, unless another manufacture wants to step up and have them manufactured, I don't see anyone else making them as they have no need to.

As I've already said, the slate can be mounted on a GC, but it would require the leveling system as well because there are no slate screw holes in the slate to mount it to the frame of a GC, and if someone drilled slate screw holes and mounted it with slate screws, then it would be impossible to level after it was recovered, as you'd have no way of backing off on the slate screws for adjustment;)

Glen

PS. Setup works both ways, Diamond or Brunswick, it don't matter, which is has been my point all along, the table is only as good as the last mechanic that worked on it.

Just like Mark, I'm not about the pay, I'm all about the table first, the pay will take care of itself later.
 
But, you can also believe that if I say a table needs this, and this, and that....and the customer want's to cut corners by passing on what I recommened, I'll pass on the table as well.

I'm not going to put my name on something that someone else down the road can come in and say "RKC didn't fix this or that...WHAT????"...NO THANKS.

Glen
 
Big C said:
I don't understand something. The mechanics that post on this forum are probably experienced craftsmen that take pride in their work. Surely you must realize that there are those on the other end of the spectrum. All I am saying is that most people are not going to be familiar with your work. Keeping a portfolio of your work will enable you to show potential customers what kind of work you are doing. The pictures that Ray posted are a prime example of why you would want to do this. I'm not trying to beat anyone up over this. My goal is to weed out the bad mechanics that give all a bad reputation for shoddy workmanship. Ultimately you are only as good as the last table you worked on.

I agree with that 100%.
Most people wouldn't understand, nor care what you are showing them.
The guy that lives in the million dollar homes hire me because they've heard what kind of work I do. They don't care about what it takes to get the job done right. We understand because we live in the pool world.

That's the hard part to sell, most people not in the pool world only want to see the finished product. That's why word of mouth is so important in this business.
I was bee's waxing the joints one day in a poolroom, and a young guy walks up to me and asks me what I'm using on the joints. I tell him bee's wax, and he replies that he does tables also. I ask him what he uses, and the kid says nothing, I just put the table together, do a few trick shots, get my money and go. :mad: I look at the guy, and just go back to working.

Those type of people will always be out there doing tables, sad but true.

The good mechanics do great work for self proud. :)

Personally I fell good when a table I've done turns out good.

You're Friend
Mark Gregory
 
Dartman said:
Mark
Did you catch my post (#83) on the cloth?
Tried to reply to your PM but got an error saying your PMs were disabled.

Sorry, I didn't get anything, but trust me I'm wide open for any help on a computer that I can get. :o I can get the two out from just about anyone in using the computer.
To much pool in my life, and no enough typing on computers. :smile: :smile:

I'll get my son to check it out for me, that he does know.:rolleyes:

You're Friend
Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Sorry, I didn't get anything, but trust me I'm wide open for any help on a computer that I can get. :o I can get the two out from just about anyone in using the computer.
To much pool in my life, and no enough typing on computers. :smile: :smile:

I'll get my son to check it out for me, that he does know.:rolleyes:

You're Friend
Mark Gregory

Have him go to User CP on the top menu.
Click on User Options and make sure "receive messages from users" is checked.

My reply to your PM didn't go thru to you because your incoming PMs are disabled.

Short of that just scroll down to post # 83 in this thread.
 
Hey Mark, I should have some work for you in the near future. A buddy is going to buy a table and put it in some random place here, as the one you and I did was redid by the local room owner and completely @#%#ed up. I mean BAD! Let me know if you know of any great deals on used tables, as the guy won't let anybody but you touch it. And for any of you guys that don't know, there is NO mechanic that I know of in the Southeast that is anywhere near as in demand as Mark. Ask anywhere from Athens to Atlanta to Montgomery to Ft. Walton. He may not be the best, but I find it very hard to believe that anyone is any better(and I am willing to bet he is the best playing mechanic out there:D ). Let me know if you have any tables for sale, thanks, Matt
 
muttley76 said:
Hey Mark, I should have some work for you in the near future. A buddy is going to buy a table and put it in some random place here, as the one you and I did was redid by the local room owner and completely @#%#ed up. I mean BAD! Let me know if you know of any great deals on used tables, as the guy won't let anybody but you touch it. And for any of you guys that don't know, there is NO mechanic that I know of in the Southeast that is anywhere near as in demand as Mark. Ask anywhere from Athens to Atlanta to Montgomery to Ft. Walton. He may not be the best, but I find it very hard to believe that anyone is any better(and I am willing to bet he is the best playing mechanic out there:D ). Let me know if you have any tables for sale, thanks, Matt

Matt, what's up buddy?
Good to hear from you, careful with the playing pool, I can't tell the difference between the 5-ball and an orange.:thumbup: Got GCIII & GCIV both 4.25" pockets. Call me when you can.

You're Friend
Mark Gregory
 
perfectpocketz said:
Matt, what's up buddy?
Good to hear from you, careful with the playing pool, I can't tell the difference between the 5-ball and an orange.:thumbup: Got GCIII & GCIV both 4.25" pockets. Call me when you can.

You're Friend
Mark Gregory


Sweet- lemme talk to the guy and see when his timetable is going to happen, and I will give you a call. Thanks a bunch, Matt. ps Liz says hi.
 
Bigtruck said:
Leading by example! Brilliant! LOL.

Ray

Last time I checked I was not employed as a humble table mechanic!!!

But, I get your point Ray. I just can't keep my mouth shut sometimes :grin:

Best of luck to to Glen and Mark their travels and table set ups!!!

I'm outta here.......

Russ
 
poolhustler said:
Last time I checked I was not employed as a humble table mechanic!!!

But, I get your point Ray. I just can't keep my mouth shut sometimes :grin:

Best of luck to to Glen and Mark their travels and table set ups!!!

I'm outta here.......

Russ
Russ, I do believe you miss understand me, as well as my intentions. My job to me as I see it, is "not" to bring down mechanics, but to build up the knowledge in potential customers of mechanics. I know I can't work with "all" the mechanics out here today, but someone has to do something to head off the hacks to some extent, as a way of protecting the customer from a hack that's just looking to make a few bucks, paving the way or stalling the work waiting to be done, for more experienced mechanics which have earned the right to have a good reputation, and therefore should get the work.

Calling out a mechanic for doing something wrong as far as I'm concerned is not saying the "mechanic" is a hack, what it is doing though is bringing attention to "something" that is not right, and I'll do that with anyone if I feel something is wrong, because I feel the customer at least has the right to "know" first, before changes are made that can and will effect something with their pool table(s).

I don't know if I'm the "best" or not, I don't know, I might be, but I can tell you this, it comes with burden I can assure you of that. I have about 170 requests to rebuild rails, tighten pockets on tables all around the country, in which I can't get to, and know I can't get to. What bothers me is that in all the locations the requests come from, there is a mechanic already there that is being pushed aside for what ever reason.

Donny, aka "SDBilliards" spent about a total of 2 weeks working off and on with me over the last 6-8 months or so, and learned quit a bit from me, he's a great student;) He worked with me at no pay, to learn what I had to show him.

I say he worked at no pay, but in reality, he's been paid;) I turned over Dave & Busters in Orange, CA to him, of which he's used that location to pick up other Dave & Busters in his area.

I turned over "Mr. Lucky's" to him as well, because he's earned the right to be able to do the work needed in order to compete for them kind of locations.

He now drives to Las Vegas and picks up Diamond table from the BCA warehouse for delivery to southern California, something that I would be doing, but have no time for, so he gets the pay for that, not me.

Any rail rebuilding I get requests for in his area, go to him, as well as "ANY" other work I get requests for.

Donny is a "Great" mechanic, and has what it takes to continue to do so, it's called "Pride" in his work, enough pride to want to learn from someone else;) When I can get the time, he still has more to learn as I still have more to teach him, but he's well on his way.

And for you Russ, for what it's worth, I'm the slowest mechanic there is, I'm hardly ever on time for "ANY" job as most can tell you:D BUT...I've never had a complaint about my work, as I don't care how long it takes to do a job right, it's the only way I know how to do the job at hand;)

Do you know of ANY other mechanics that run around the country with table-saws, planners, routers, skill-saws, door-planners, jigsaws, tap & die sets, and work benches, a 24 ft box truck pulling an 18 ft trailer, which stays parked at the location until the job is done right, who is also willing to work countless hours with "ANY" mechanic willing to learn something new in order to improve their skills;)?

Glen

PS. If it sounds like I'm patting myself on the back, it's because I am, as I've earned that right, over the last 25 years;) with "ALL" my accomplishments, of which I don't feel I need to list;)

Who knows, I might just be the "best"...not that it really matters any, I still have to pay for a cup of coffee no different than anyone else:D
 
realkingcobra said:
Russ, I do believe you miss understand me, as well as my intentions. My job to me as I see it, is "not" to bring down mechanics, but to build up the knowledge in potential customers of mechanics. I know I can't work with "all" the mechanics out here today, but someone has to do something to head off the hacks to some extent, as a way of protecting the customer from a hack that's just looking to make a few bucks, paving the way or stalling the work waiting to be done, for more experienced mechanics which have earned the right to have a good reputation, and therefore should get the work.

Calling out a mechanic for doing something wrong as far as I'm concerned is not saying the "mechanic" is a hack, what it is doing though is bringing attention to "something" that is not right, and I'll do that with anyone if I feel something is wrong, because I feel the customer at least has the right to "know" first, before changes are made that can and will effect something with their pool table(s).

I don't know if I'm the "best" or not, I don't know, I might be, but I can tell you this, it comes with burden I can assure you of that. I have about 170 requests to rebuild rails, tighten pockets on tables all around the country, in which I can't get to, and know I can't get to. What bothers me is that in all the locations the requests come from, there is a mechanic already there that is being pushed aside for what ever reason.

Donny, aka "SDBilliards" spent about a total of 2 weeks working off and on with me over the last 6-8 months or so, and learned quit a bit from me, he's a great student;) He worked with me at no pay, to learn what I had to show him.

I say he worked at no pay, but in reality, he's been paid;) I turned over Dave & Busters in Orange, CA to him, of which he's used that location to pick up other Dave & Busters in his area.

I turned over "Mr. Lucky's" to him as well, because he's earned the right to be able to do the work needed in order to compete for them kind of locations.

He now drives to Las Vegas and picks up Diamond table from the BCA warehouse for delivery to southern California, something that I would be doing, but have no time for, so he gets the pay for that, not me.

Any rail rebuilding I get requests for in his area, go to him, as well as "ANY" other work I get requests for.

Donny is a "Great" mechanic, and has what it takes to continue to do so, it's called "Pride" in his work, enough pride to want to learn from someone else;) When I can get the time, he still has more to learn as I still have more to teach him, but he's well on his way.

And for you Russ, for what it's worth, I'm the slowest mechanic there is, I'm hardly ever on time for "ANY" job as most can tell you:D BUT...I've never had a complaint about my work, as I don't care how long it takes to do a job right, it's the only way I know how to do the job at hand;)

Do you know of ANY other mechanics that run around the country with table-saws, planners, routers, skill-saws, door-planners, jigsaws, tap & die sets, and work benches, a 24 ft box truck pulling an 18 ft trailer, which stays parked at the location until the job is done right, who is also willing to work countless hours with "ANY" mechanic willing to learn something new in order to improve their skills;)?

Glen

PS. If it sounds like I'm patting myself on the back, it's because I am, as I've earned that right, over the last 25 years;) with "ALL" my accomplishments, of which I don't feel I need to list;)

Who knows, I might just be the "best"...not that it really matters any, I still have to pay for a cup of coffee no different than anyone else:D


What ever happened with your Diamond/truck issue??? I never heard the final outcome.
 
poolhustler said:
What ever happened with your Diamond/truck issue??? I never heard the final outcome.
Diamond bought me a 2003 E550 24ft box truck with 60.090 mile on it. I'm still building out the inside of it in order to live in it on the road. When I'm finished I'll post the pictures of the inside for everyone to see.

Glen
 

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I'm going to have a 24ft enclosed triple axle, 8'ft 6" wide by 9ft inside height trailer built next so I can carry more tables for delivery:D

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Diamond bought me a 2003 E550 24ft box truck with 60.090 mile on it. I'm still building out the inside of it in order to live in it on the road. When I'm finished I'll post the pictures of the inside for everyone to see.

Glen
Yeah, it is a good riding truck too and the A/C is COLD. It will make your next trip to the southwest a little more tolerable huh? :thumbup:
 
Take your pick but you can't live by both

realkingcobra said:
PS. If it sounds like I'm patting myself on the back, it's because I am, as I've earned that right, over the last 25 years;) with "ALL" my accomplishments, of which I don't feel I need to list;)

Who knows, I might just be the "best"...not that it really matters any, I still have to pay for a cup of coffee no different than anyone else:D

"The humble shall be exalted and the exalted shall be humbled"

"You ain't bragging if it's the truth"
 
realkingcobra said:
I'm going to have a 24ft enclosed triple axle, 8'ft 6" wide by 9ft inside height trailer built next so I can carry more tables for delivery:D

Glen

Awesome, glad it worked out good for you!!

Safe Travels.......:smile:
 
realkingcobra said:
Russ, I do believe you miss understand me, as well as my intentions. My job to me as I see it, is "not" to bring down mechanics, but to build up the knowledge in potential customers of mechanics. I know I can't work with "all" the mechanics out here today, but someone has to do something to head off the hacks to some extent, as a way of protecting the customer from a hack that's just looking to make a few bucks, paving the way or stalling the work waiting to be done, for more experienced mechanics which have earned the right to have a good reputation, and therefore should get the work.

Calling out a mechanic for doing something wrong as far as I'm concerned is not saying the "mechanic" is a hack, what it is doing though is bringing attention to "something" that is not right, and I'll do that with anyone if I feel something is wrong, because I feel the customer at least has the right to "know" first, before changes are made that can and will effect something with their pool table(s).

I don't know if I'm the "best" or not, I don't know, I might be, but I can tell you this, it comes with burden I can assure you of that. I have about 170 requests to rebuild rails, tighten pockets on tables all around the country, in which I can't get to, and know I can't get to. What bothers me is that in all the locations the requests come from, there is a mechanic already there that is being pushed aside for what ever reason.

Donny, aka "SDBilliards" spent about a total of 2 weeks working off and on with me over the last 6-8 months or so, and learned quit a bit from me, he's a great student;) He worked with me at no pay, to learn what I had to show him.

I say he worked at no pay, but in reality, he's been paid;) I turned over Dave & Busters in Orange, CA to him, of which he's used that location to pick up other Dave & Busters in his area.

I turned over "Mr. Lucky's" to him as well, because he's earned the right to be able to do the work needed in order to compete for them kind of locations.

He now drives to Las Vegas and picks up Diamond table from the BCA warehouse for delivery to southern California, something that I would be doing, but have no time for, so he gets the pay for that, not me.

Any rail rebuilding I get requests for in his area, go to him, as well as "ANY" other work I get requests for.

Donny is a "Great" mechanic, and has what it takes to continue to do so, it's called "Pride" in his work, enough pride to want to learn from someone else;) When I can get the time, he still has more to learn as I still have more to teach him, but he's well on his way.

And for you Russ, for what it's worth, I'm the slowest mechanic there is, I'm hardly ever on time for "ANY" job as most can tell you:D BUT...I've never had a complaint about my work, as I don't care how long it takes to do a job right, it's the only way I know how to do the job at hand;)

Do you know of ANY other mechanics that run around the country with table-saws, planners, routers, skill-saws, door-planners, jigsaws, tap & die sets, and work benches, a 24 ft box truck pulling an 18 ft trailer, which stays parked at the location until the job is done right, who is also willing to work countless hours with "ANY" mechanic willing to learn something new in order to improve their skills;)?

Glen

PS. If it sounds like I'm patting myself on the back, it's because I am, as I've earned that right, over the last 25 years;) with "ALL" my accomplishments, of which I don't feel I need to list;)

Who knows, I might just be the "best"...not that it really matters any, I still have to pay for a cup of coffee no different than anyone else:D


Thanks for the kind words Glen. I would just everyone to know that Glen isn't as obnoxious in person as he is online. Glen is all about billiards. He has plans about starting a organization that helps billiard mechanics with training, getting group discounts and that sort of stuff. I often call Glen when I have a question or in a binding when working on a pool tables, carom tables or snooker tables. I'm sure he is willing to answer anyone questions if they called him for help. Glen is the master! I have been doing table in the southern CA area since I was 17, I turn 35 tomorrow. I haven't seen any other mechanic do anywhere near the type of work that Glen does, not even in the same league. thanks Glen for everything you have done for me and I look forward to more lessons.

by the way, my wife thought I was crazy working those weekends for free.
 
one piece slate?

well brunswick is a little smarter than u think about slate and leveling! first reason 3 piece vs 1 piece is : 1 piece to heavy and to easily broken or chipped! 2nd the old school "master" billiard mechanics like myself, we can level the table before rails and after with a quarter and string line without a leveling system! and we dont have to have a steel level or depend on system to do a master job. this is just a gemick to help the dumb ass mechanics that do a shitty job! and it sells tables to people that dont know the difference! have a nice day! mark webb, in north texas and been working on tables for 40 yrs! thanks
 
Wow!

mark8950 said:
well brunswick is a little smarter than u think about slate and leveling! first reason 3 piece vs 1 piece is : 1 piece to heavy and to easily broken or chipped! 2nd the old school "master" billiard mechanics like myself, we can level the table before rails and after with a quarter and string line without a leveling system! and we dont have to have a steel level or depend on system to do a master job. this is just a gemick to help the dumb ass mechanics that do a shitty job! and it sells tables to people that dont know the difference! have a nice day! mark webb, in north texas and been working on tables for 40 yrs! thanks

Mark,

I didn't know you were a table mechanic!! Post some pics!! I would love to see some old school work.

Thanks,

Ray
 
one piece slate

mark8950 said:
well brunswick is a little smarter than u think about slate and leveling! first reason 3 piece vs 1 piece is : 1 piece to heavy and to easily broken or chipped! 2nd the old school "master" billiard mechanics like myself, we can level the table before rails and after with a quarter and string line without a leveling system! and we dont have to have a steel level or depend on system to do a master job. this is just a gemick to help the dumb ass mechanics that do a shitty job! and it sells tables to people that dont know the difference! have a nice day! mark webb, in north texas and been working on tables for 40 yrs! thanks

Man, you got no respect! One piece slate and adjustments you can get to after the slate is covered are wonderful things. So are adjustments that you can get to with the table completely assembled. My Sears and Roebuck eight foot table had all these things in 1970 and it wasn't new then. Cost me $125 and I hauled it and set it up myself. Me and a buddy or two went across town and fetched it on a Saturday morning and were playing on it by noon. We didn't know it was supposed to be hard to put a table together and level it. The big pain was a right angle turn at the top of the steps to get in the living room.

Hu
 
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