I do not always concur with Brian's sentiments and opinions but he is absolutely correct with this thread.
For The Love Of All Things Holy; STOP With The "FEELERS" !!!
- Thread starter Kickin' Chicken
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Well done, Brian. Green coming your way.
Love the title of the thread....love the content of the thread....outstanding job to all that posted!!
The reality is, it's just fishing for the highest bidder. Anyone serious about buying a cue doesn't want to get into this 'silent auction' type of sale. Just post the friggen price and be ready to haggle a little. Most build a little haggle-room into their initial asking prices for just this reason. Many buyers here are savvy enough to know general cue values...so the eBay bs does not typically fly here.
Ultimately, the market will determine any cue's true value.
I've said it before....it's the prospective buyers' job to research the seller. It's the seller's job to research and know what they are selling.
Post a price, or take it to eBay.
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The reality is, it's just fishing for the highest bidder. Anyone serious about buying a cue doesn't want to get into this 'silent auction' type of sale. Just post the friggen price and be ready to haggle a little. Most build a little haggle-room into their initial asking prices for just this reason. Many buyers here are savvy enough to know general cue values...so the eBay bs does not typically fly here.
Ultimately, the market will determine any cue's true value.
I've said it before....it's the prospective buyers' job to research the seller. It's the seller's job to research and know what they are selling.
Post a price, or take it to eBay.
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This one gets me, too. The poster almost never posts the specs later.
Overall, Brian started a great thread, even if there is nothing for sale in it. I considered posting these same concerns in the past few months. But I held back because these sellers are identifying themselves as people who I would not want to make a deal with.
These kind of post are just as much of a joke as feeler and I will post pics and specs later threads.
XXXX makes a really nice cue and they play VERY well.I have owned the same cue and I am sorry that I sold it.GLWYS.
or this one
WoW great cue at awesome price wont last long
Guess what its for sale if you are so sorry you sold it or its such an awesome deal buy the damn cue and stop posting stupid crap like this
XXXX makes a really nice cue and they play VERY well.I have owned the same cue and I am sorry that I sold it.GLWYS.
or this one
WoW great cue at awesome price wont last long
Guess what its for sale if you are so sorry you sold it or its such an awesome deal buy the damn cue and stop posting stupid crap like this
Kickin, if you are unsure of how to deal with threads you disagree with simply go to the forum of choice and click on another thread until you find one you like. If you end up clicking on one you do not like hit the back arrow and keep looking. :wink:
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That is pretty trashy logic. If you don't like pollution, move to another planet instead of trying to clean up your environment.
Wanted/For Sale issues are not new. What burns me up more than anything is abuse by cue dealers. There was a rules update last year and it hasn't been enforced or managed very well IMO.
Maybe there should be two Wanted/For Sale sections. One where you must be a professional dealer to have access and another section for amateurs only.
You want us to buy your over-priced cues but only if we follow your rules?
Give me a break..
Maybe there should be two Wanted/For Sale sections. One where you must be a professional dealer to have access and another section for amateurs only.
You want us to buy your over-priced cues but only if we follow your rules?
Give me a break..
No, it's a public forum. Sometimes you interact with like minded individuals and sometimes you don't and sometimes you agree or disagree with either. I consider kickin and I to be like minded but it doesn't mean we have to agree on every topic.
I sometimes don't like how he spells everything out in a condescending way with his step by step instructions.
It's easy to pass over a thread or a post.
I passed over the link you posted earlier simply because I didn't want to read your diatribe.
Doesn't mean we aren't agreeable..
I agree with this post 100%.
If you are posting a cue for sale you should have a price attached.
I love when sellers have 10 threads that they bump in order all at the same time. All 8 months old.
A golf website I used to frequent only let you have one for sale thread open at once. I think that's a great rule.
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I too just skip what doesn't interest me. Much less stressful than worrying how others mishandle their business. I understand that sellers will have more interest if they list a price, but if no one sent a pm (or posted ridiculous offers on their threads to keep them at the top)...then they'd have to rethink their strategy.
Some people like to be heard for various reasons, I typically sit back & listen.
I agree with this 100%.
The part I really don't get is for the most part we all know who are some of the best buyers/sellers/ on here, and THEY ALL USE THE SAME FORMAT roughly, which includes ALL OF THE CRITERIA you listed above. Those sellers generally sell their cues quickly and successfully. To those who don't feel like listing a price of specs, listing "feelers," or any of that b.s....take note of the better sellers on here, because they do. And that's why they're successful in moving their cues hassle free
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Some people get so extremely worked up so much about price/PM for offer.
As a reseller one of my limitation is MAP or minimum advertised price on new products.
I have guidelines which I have to abide by. Some of the big boys like Seyberts advertise at whatever they please and when the manufacturer says hey MAP they say ok we wont sell your stuff, which basically is a free pass. As a little guy I do not have that option. So if I am selling something new and I list a retail or MAP price and say PM with offers I am saying yea I can sell it less than this but I cant post it here.
MAP only limited my advertised price I can sell privately for whatever I please.
So maybe take a second look at new product if you really want it why not PM?
If you are just window shopping then so be it.
As a reseller one of my limitation is MAP or minimum advertised price on new products.
I have guidelines which I have to abide by. Some of the big boys like Seyberts advertise at whatever they please and when the manufacturer says hey MAP they say ok we wont sell your stuff, which basically is a free pass. As a little guy I do not have that option. So if I am selling something new and I list a retail or MAP price and say PM with offers I am saying yea I can sell it less than this but I cant post it here.
MAP only limited my advertised price I can sell privately for whatever I please.
So maybe take a second look at new product if you really want it why not PM?
If you are just window shopping then so be it.
Yep. you are correct regards to "for sale" posts. The best buyers and sellers use the same format. This group represents a big part of the true custom cue market. One very distinct characteristic they all share is the fact that they actually have the discretionary funds and wish to spend it. No bullshite in this group. And most all are very straight shooters.
The balance of "for sale" posts are individuals trying to move a cue for one reason or another. You have the guy who paid above retail in 2007 and now needs that $1,500 back for an unnamed makers hoppe style with a slight joint wobble. Then you got the local broke gambler who repossessed a cue on an air barrel. Then you got the SC5 type trying to hook you on a paypal infraction. Then you got the guys trying to gaff you with secrete ways they know screw you out of the cue using USPS. Then you got the guys just testing the market with their beloved Schon they had for 20 years and would never sell to begin with. Then you got the packager trying to move his the unwanted portion of his ridiculous collection of junk. Don't forget about the guy who just made an account because he linked through Ebay and he wanted you to see his "rare" cues out there and come to find out it's a vinyl sticker pointed cue. and so on and so on..
Other thing is condition is a subjective topic. So filling out a spec sheet might not be the best idea.
Point is, I like it just the way because you can spot who you can trust easier. If you take interest in a suspect cue that has been improperly posted ask questions. Try to find out where the cue is located. If it's in your area great, try to go see it. If it's not you may know someone in the area who can look at it for you. Question the living hell out of the poster. If it doesn't check out you simply report and move on.
Best advise is don't get caught up in a bullshite posts..
Don't be that guy..
The balance of "for sale" posts are individuals trying to move a cue for one reason or another. You have the guy who paid above retail in 2007 and now needs that $1,500 back for an unnamed makers hoppe style with a slight joint wobble. Then you got the local broke gambler who repossessed a cue on an air barrel. Then you got the SC5 type trying to hook you on a paypal infraction. Then you got the guys trying to gaff you with secrete ways they know screw you out of the cue using USPS. Then you got the guys just testing the market with their beloved Schon they had for 20 years and would never sell to begin with. Then you got the packager trying to move his the unwanted portion of his ridiculous collection of junk. Don't forget about the guy who just made an account because he linked through Ebay and he wanted you to see his "rare" cues out there and come to find out it's a vinyl sticker pointed cue. and so on and so on..
Other thing is condition is a subjective topic. So filling out a spec sheet might not be the best idea.
Point is, I like it just the way because you can spot who you can trust easier. If you take interest in a suspect cue that has been improperly posted ask questions. Try to find out where the cue is located. If it's in your area great, try to go see it. If it's not you may know someone in the area who can look at it for you. Question the living hell out of the poster. If it doesn't check out you simply report and move on.
Best advise is don't get caught up in a bullshite posts..
Don't be that guy..
PMs work BOTH ways! Rather than the buyer having to initiate a PM to the seller with an initial offer, why can't the seller PM the potential buyer with the "ROCK BOTTOM" price they will take instead of the MAP.
This type of buying/selling is why I hate going car shopping...cue the BS and haggling and everybody trying to rob the other person. SET A FAIR PRICE AND GET ON WITH IT!!!