Guy can have bought a remaining player who's a favorite and dump to make more money.
Again buyer beware....when buying players.
Hell guys have overslept and cost buyers tens of thousands.
Forfeiting out of tournament
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Again buyer beware....when buying players.
Hell guys have overslept and cost buyers tens of thousands.
The only time I forfeit they were already counting the money. Somehow they got word to the pool hall that my grandmother had died. I pocketed a couple more balls, had maybe three more in the last game of the finals, a roadmap on an empty table. I realized the tournament didn't mean jackshit to me anymore. "Forfeit" even my opponent tried to stop me but as soon as I said it I was unscrewing.
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Forfeiting with the intent to let your opponent win, or playing them and intentionally losing to them is cheating, and should not be allowed. He should not be given credit for playing in that tournament, and he should be given a warning that if he does it again, he will be banned.
Yes, there are legitimate reasons that players forfeit matches. This is not one of them.
Yes, there are legitimate reasons that players forfeit matches. This is not one of them.
I don’t think it's a big deal in this scenario. A local event, with average players, and dad forfeits to son. Now if it was a top pro event, and everyone was eager to see this particular match, that is a let down for the fans. In this case, nobody cares if they play their hearts out or one forfeits or both forfeit.
The round robin you mentioned is a completely different scenario. When players quit mid season or miss random matches, it messes up the entire tournament, because the players don't get equal matches. For that type of tournament I completely agree not to invite back skipping players.
For the end of year tournament, just playing the entry fee is enough for the three qualifying tournaments, even if you forfeit on the first round.
IMO
The round robin you mentioned is a completely different scenario. When players quit mid season or miss random matches, it messes up the entire tournament, because the players don't get equal matches. For that type of tournament I completely agree not to invite back skipping players.
For the end of year tournament, just playing the entry fee is enough for the three qualifying tournaments, even if you forfeit on the first round.
IMO
I'm sympathetic with a father not wanting to play his son, but you have to draw the line when other players become affected. Obviously, it was his intent to forfeit at whatever point he was going to encounter his son. Allowing someone to bend the rules like that hurts the other players and affects the integrity of the event.I don’t think it's a big deal in this scenario. A local event, with average players, and dad forfeits to son. Now if it was a top pro event, and everyone was eager to see this particular match, that is a let down for the fans. In this case, nobody cares if they play their hearts out or one forfeits or both forfeit.
The round robin you mentioned is a completely different scenario. When players quit mid season or miss random matches, it messes up the entire tournament, because the players don't get equal matches. For that type of tournament I completely agree not to invite back skipping players.
For the end of year tournament, just playing the entry fee is enough for the three qualifying tournaments, even if you forfeit on the first round.
IMO
Curious as to what rule you feel was bent. The OP didn't say anything about there being a rule in that tournament against intentional forfeits. I have yet to see such a rule in any of the local tourneys I play in, either.
I don't know the rules of this tourney but all the tournaments I've played were Round Robin. If a player forfeits it really screws up the works as far as ranking the flight. I've only seen it once and it was a real stinker. The tournament director wiped out all of that players games for the entire tournament, not just the forfeited game. In that case the player was never there and received no credit for entering.
I used to play in a small local tournament with my dad and grandfather. We all played each other at least a few times over the years. It was great fun and great memories. One time I beat my dad hill-hill by getting him on three. We talked and laughed about that for years. I don't know why anyone would forfeit and miss all that.
What if players spouse was in an accident?
I don't agree with sometimes ok, sometimes not. Too many opportunities for inconsistent responses.
A) Put your money in and play by the rules.
2: If I wanna go home to curl my hair I'm gonna go when I say I'm going.
In that particular tournament i'm sure they would have made anexception for that. They didn't want players dropping out because they were playing bad. A friend of mine who had health problems his whole life and played on crutches got the flu the morning of
and played through because of being told he neede to finish.
Another friend didn't finish and was barred for about 7 years before they let him play again.
It's not like a Gladiator fight where the winner has to decapitate the loser. It's just a fun game where you might even win something.
DeeDeeCues
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If I was in the situation of not being allowed to play for seven years, it'd be fourteen before I'd consider it.
I'd also be very vocal about why others shouldn't play in the tourney. Might even start my own tourney just to spite them.
My sons have played in tournaments with me a few times-- many, many years ago - only once did I draw one in a tournament, he beat me legit and ended up winning the tournament. We were visiting in Florida at the time, it was a place Mizerak had some ownership. Steve showed up- he was in wheelchair at the time- best thing was we talked with him and I still have the autographed photo given to us by Steve that night.
I, personally would never give my sons a free pass in any competitive event- what would that teach them? I cannot judge or speak for anyone else- I don't know the individual's feelings about playing his son- I just hope this was not a money driven decision.
I, personally would never give my sons a free pass in any competitive event- what would that teach them? I cannot judge or speak for anyone else- I don't know the individual's feelings about playing his son- I just hope this was not a money driven decision.
Well, you just explained what I meant. Just because the OP didn't specifically say you can't forfeit a match to let someone intentionally win, it doesn't mean it's okay to do that. It's a sportsmanship issue, and the player shouldn't have been given credit for playing.
You answered your own questions. If a player's spouse was in an accident and he had to leave in a hurry, no one would begrudge him forfeiting out. He entered with good intentions. Forfeiting to let another player win is a sportsmanship issue and is considered cheating.
tournaments are a game of rules. as long as you play within the allowed rules you are legal. some believe that there are unwritten rules you must abide by. and in reality they may apply.
but other than the courtesy rules of life we tend to live by, any rule that isnt stated or standard doesnt have to be followed and that option is on the table.
in a friendly game or gambling game unwritten rules of play are in effect, as there are no penalties except not getting paid or the opponent quitting you.
but other than the courtesy rules of life we tend to live by, any rule that isnt stated or standard doesnt have to be followed and that option is on the table.
in a friendly game or gambling game unwritten rules of play are in effect, as there are no penalties except not getting paid or the opponent quitting you.
I can't imagine anyone making a big deal out of it in this scenario unless someone bought the forfeiting player in the calcutta.
If the stronger player forfeits, and the weaker one goes on, anyone playing him afterwards got an advantage. If the weaker player forfeits, the only disadvantage would be if the weaker player had gotten lucky and won, and now future matches would have been the same as if the stronger one dropped out.
Forfeiting BEFORE the match is far less problematic than AFTER a match, where funny business is likely.
If the stronger player forfeits, and the weaker one goes on, anyone playing him afterwards got an advantage. If the weaker player forfeits, the only disadvantage would be if the weaker player had gotten lucky and won, and now future matches would have been the same as if the stronger one dropped out.
Forfeiting BEFORE the match is far less problematic than AFTER a match, where funny business is likely.
Ernesto Dominguez always forfeits to his son, Oscar, every time they play each other in a tournament
TBH If I was matched up with my son in a tournament match I would make him play me. Even though I have the experience over him I would expect him to treat me as any other player in said tournament.
Life lessons can be hard but if it came down to me or him I would want him to rise to the challenge. I would also tell him that it’s not you verses me… it’s you verses any other killer in this tournament and if you want to win there are better players than me that you will have to beat!!
I’m not trying to be a hard ass but I would rather be honest with my kid than to give him a pass. Also I would let him know that I love him and I believe in him and if he doesn’t win today he will in the future with practice and vigor!!!
Sorry but life is tough and the faster your kids learn that the better they will be in the long run. Not to mention when they come of age they will thank you for your honesty and belief in them
Life lessons can be hard but if it came down to me or him I would want him to rise to the challenge. I would also tell him that it’s not you verses me… it’s you verses any other killer in this tournament and if you want to win there are better players than me that you will have to beat!!
I’m not trying to be a hard ass but I would rather be honest with my kid than to give him a pass. Also I would let him know that I love him and I believe in him and if he doesn’t win today he will in the future with practice and vigor!!!
Sorry but life is tough and the faster your kids learn that the better they will be in the long run. Not to mention when they come of age they will thank you for your honesty and belief in them