Fractional aiming & systems like it

[Patrick Johnson]

...if you change the angle, that line finishes on other spot

Yes, that's the claim we hear over and over. What we never hear is how it can be true when it defies common sense and simple geometry. Here's where the undefined buzzwords ("3D perceptions", "visuals") start getting tossed around. Sometimes we even hear that old 3 Angles standard, "rotating edges" (brings back memories of Hal Houle).

As I said above, the main difference systems like 3 Angles and CTE have with simple, straightforward fractional aiming is that fractional aiming doesn't make unrealistic claims of "exactness" and so it doesn't need imaginary concepts to try to explain itself. I don't say you shouldn't use one of those systems - whatever floats your boat. I'm just pointing out the realities of them and their alternatives for anybody who's interested.

pj
chgo

 

[stan shuffett]

Yes, that's the claim we hear over and over. What we never hear is how it can be true when it defies common sense and simple geometry. Here's where the undefined buzzwords ("3D perceptions", "visuals") start getting tossed around. Sometimes we even hear that old 3 Angles standard, "rotating edges" (brings back memories of Hal Houle).

As I said above, the main difference systems like 3 Angles and CTE have with simple, straightforward fractional aiming is that fractional aiming doesn't make unrealistic claims of "exactness" and so it doesn't need imaginary terms to explain itself.

pj
chgo

You let your tail feathers fly up when you clearly stated in this thread that fractional alignments are the same as CTE alignments. You also stated clearly in this thread that you do not understand CTE......so what do you do? You throw as much crap against the wall that you can hoping something will stick!

Here is what sticks: you make a statement about CTE alignments and I give you 20/1 that you are wrong.......and what do you with your weak kneed spineless comment...back it up getting 20/1 ?? No, you will not back up THAT comment. WHY. because you are wrong and more importantly clearly exposed.

Again, you should have been more careful than to let your tail feathers fly up.....

Stan Shuffett

 

[67tbird]

Patrick, after experimenting with all kinds of aiming systems, I finally settled with fractional aiming this year, and made a dedication to stick with it.
Should have done it years ago, I would be a much better player due to the consistency factor.

It's like Mark Wilson says (loosely quoted) players get caught up in aiming systems and miss the true flaws in their game.

That was me!

-Andy in Upstate NY


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[Patrick Johnson]

Patrick, after experimenting with all kinds of aiming systems, I finally settled with fractional aiming this year, and made a dedication to stick with it.
Should have done it years ago, I would be a much better player due to the consistency factor.

It's like Mark Wilson says (loosely quoted) players get caught up in aiming systems and miss the true flaws in their game.

That was me!

-Andy in Upstate NY


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Glad to hear you found a way that's understandable and works for you. And as a bonus, you won't have to learn a new language.

pj
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[67tbird]

PJ, I own all the DVDs (that came out post 2014).

I'm a logical thinker and was unable to get past certain points with some of them.

I don't have to actively think about aiming while I'm playing, just have to observe my shot and adjust accordingly.

The edges of the balls never move!

-Andy in NY

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[stan shuffett]

Glad to hear you found a way that's understandable and works for you. And as a bonus, you won't have to learn a new language.

pj
chgo

Keep on tossing stuff at the wall.

You are exposed! You do not understand CTE but you criticize it and tear it down at every chance.

If I had a simple math problem before me using 3 operations, I could define the process and we would likely agree on the answer.

At the core of CTE are the VISUALS. You clearly have severely flawed info concerning the visuals. So, why would anyone listen to you explain or comment on CTE? I mean how in the heck can you speak about something that you are so very ignorant about?

CTE is not a math problem...to your dismay. CTE is an advancement in the perceptual education of how to really connect with a 2x1 table.

Why do you try and stifle real CTE when it's clear that you have no foundational knowledge of center to edge aiming?

Stan Shuffett

 

[randyg]

CTE works well for me and most of my students.

randyg

 

[nine_ball6970]

CTE works well for me and most of my students.

randyg

Since this thread has already been de-railed, do you know why CTE does not work for some of your students?

 

[ps611846]

PJ, I own all the DVDs (that came out post 2014).

I'm a logical thinker and was unable to get past certain points with some of them.

I don't have to actively think about aiming while I'm playing, just have to observe my shot and adjust accordingly.

The edges of the balls never move!

-Andy in NY

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The edges of the balls never move......

Are you sure ????????

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Since this thread has already been de-railed, do you know why CTE does not work for some of your students?

To be fair, fractional aiming won't work for everybody either - different strokes and all...

My post about fractional aiming was only intended to clarify what it is and unconfuse it with other methods that are somewhat similar and could be mistaken for it. I think they all "work" for those who like them - how they work is what most of the controversy is about.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Duplicate post...

 

[randyg]

Since this thread has already been de-railed, do you know why CTE does not work for some of your students?

Great question deserves an answer.

Not all brains think the same. Some students see lines while others see spots or points on a ball. Other students like fractions and degrees while some may like numbers.

It is the job of a good instructor to find an aiming system that fits the student. Not all students see the same as the instructor.

In our School we approach aiming with several different choices. I am able to teach at least a dozen different systems so our students can be comfortable with the one they choose.

I think an aiming system finds you, not the other way around.

All aiming system come to the same conclusion. Which one you choose has to be correct for you to help you enjoy ball pocketing.

Once you learn the system then you practice the system then you forget the system!

randyg

 

[cookie man]

Great question deserves an answer.

Not all brains think the same. Some students see lines while others see spots or points on a ball. Other students like fractions and degrees while some may like numbers.

It is the job of a good instructor to find an aiming system that fits the student. Not all students see the same as the instructor.

In our School we approach aiming with several different choices. I am able to teach at least a dozen different systems so our students can be comfortable with the one they choose.

I think an aiming system finds you, not the other way around.

All aiming system come to the same conclusion. Which one you choose has to be correct for you to help you enjoy ball pocketing.

Once you learn the system then you practice the system then you forget the system!

randyg

Well put Randy. How are things?

 

[randyg]

Well put Randy. How are things?

Hi Dave.

Real quiet in Dallas right now. Ice all over, flights cancelled.

I had to call off Pool School for the week.

Worse yet, no golf.

I should travel your way. Must be warmer than 30 degrees.

randyg

 

[HawaiianEye]

Great question deserves an answer.

Not all brains think the same. Some students see lines while others see spots or points on a ball. Other students like fractions and degrees while some may like numbers.

It is the job of a good instructor to find an aiming system that fits the student. Not all students see the same as the instructor.

In our School we approach aiming with several different choices. I am able to teach at least a dozen different systems so our students can be comfortable with the one they choose.

I think an aiming system finds you, not the other way around.

All aiming system come to the same conclusion. Which one you choose has to be correct for you to help you enjoy ball pocketing.

Once you learn the system then you practice the system then you forget the system!

randyg

I agree. It seems that a lot of people think ONE approach fits everyone and that is not the case. Pool can be as simple or complicated as one makes it. It is up to the individual to "understand" what works best for THEM.

There are only two things to accomplish in any pool shot. Put the object ball where you intend it to go and put the cue ball where you need it to be. If you can do that, it doesn't matter what cue, what stroke, what tip, or what method you use.

Knowledge and experience is the teacher and sometimes one comes before the other.

 

[Ralph Kramden]

There are only two things to accomplish in any pool shot. Put the object ball where you intend it to go and put the cue ball where you need it to be. If you can do that, it doesn't matter what cue, what stroke, what tip, or what method you use.

The pocketing contact point will always be 1/2 the distance from the center of the OB to the center of the CB.

The CB center must be aimed past the pocketing contact point by the equal distance from the vertical center
of the OB, whether the CB is aimed straight to that equal distance point, or the CB is deflected into that point.
.

 

[LAMas]

The pocketing contact point will always be 1/2 the distance from the center of the OB to the center of the CB.

The CB center must be aimed past the pocketing contact point by the equal distance from the vertical center
of the OB, whether the CB is aimed straight to that equal distance point, or the CB is deflected into that point.
.

Patrick Johnson has a picture of that.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Great question deserves an answer.

Not all brains think the same. Some students see lines while others see spots or points on a ball. Other students like fractions and degrees while some may like numbers.

It is the job of a good instructor to find an aiming system that fits the student. Not all students see the same as the instructor.

In our School we approach aiming with several different choices. I am able to teach at least a dozen different systems so our students can be comfortable with the one they choose.

I think an aiming system finds you, not the other way around.

All aiming system come to the same conclusion. Which one you choose has to be correct for you to help you enjoy ball pocketing.

Once you learn the system then you practice the system then you forget the system!

randyg

A dozen different systems on how to aim? Wow. The british have one; get down and bash it. We cope...

 

[app4dstn]

I agree. It seems that a lot of people think ONE approach fits everyone and that is not the case. Pool can be as simple or complicated as one makes it. It is up to the individual to "understand" what works best for THEM.

There are only two things to accomplish in any pool shot. Put the object ball where you intend it to go and put the cue ball where you need it to be. If you can do that, it doesn't matter what cue, what stroke, what tip, or what method you use.

Knowledge and experience is the teacher and sometimes one comes before the other.

Good stuff! a million dollar fortune cookie ("Knowledge and experience is the teacher and sometimes one comes before the other.")

decomposing the mystery, putting in the work, looking back and realizing you're improving, looking ahead and seeing more makes and fewer misses.... the further i go, the funner this game gets.

the journey is the reward.

 

[randyg]

I agree. It seems that a lot of people think ONE approach fits everyone and that is not the case. Pool can be as simple or complicated as one makes it. It is up to the individual to "understand" what works best for THEM.

There are only two things to accomplish in any pool shot. Put the object ball where you intend it to go and put the cue ball where you need it to be. If you can do that, it doesn't matter what cue, what stroke, what tip, or what method you use.

Knowledge and experience is the teacher and sometimes one comes before the other.

Sometimes the Teacher comes before Knowledge & Experience!

randyg