Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Back in the day, folks around here used to play an "ahead' game and called it "10 game freeze out". Just wondering if this term was used elsewhere. If so, any ideas as to the origins?
"Freeze Out"
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Only time I ever heard the term was in the The Hustler.
I have this notion that the freeze was on the money. Just one of those things you just know what the match is and don't bother with the etymology.
Sounds like 7 ahead or something similar. No one wins till someone gets X number of games ahead.
It locks up the post cash when you know in the long haul you'll eventually win.
Annagoni and I did that in Sacramento late 70's.
It locks up the post cash when you know in the long haul you'll eventually win.
Annagoni and I did that in Sacramento late 70's.
Above is the way we used it. We would “freeze up” an amount of money , usually after the game had been made.
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Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Thanks all.
I did not realize the term was used in Hustler. Perhaps it is a term that goes back to 40's - 50's. I was sure the proposition was the same as an "ahead" game. What I was trying to find out was how widespread the name was used. The money being "frozen" makes sense.
I did not realize the term was used in Hustler. Perhaps it is a term that goes back to 40's - 50's. I was sure the proposition was the same as an "ahead" game. What I was trying to find out was how widespread the name was used. The money being "frozen" makes sense.
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Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Be hard for me to believe that "to" games have replaced "ahead" games. Ahead games are for warriors. They remind me of catching big fish -- long hard runs until they were turned and then reeling them back in until they found their head and turned and were off on another hard run. Back and forth until one failed.
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'Ahead' sets and freeze-out are basically the same thing. Best one i ever saw was James Walden giving young-gun Michael Coltrane the 8b playing 10ahead for 10thousand around '96ish. Played 8rs-n-stop(to reduce chemical warfare). Coltrane had James on the hill THREE times and didn't get the biscuits. Walden was a fkng monster back then.
L.S. Dennis
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Yes I remember the term being used here in California as well during those times
In the 70's I played a good Los Angeles Mexican player there were many, can't remember his name, I'm sure Helfer remembers.
He always acted/role played like he was ''loaded/stoned out'' somewhat incoherent, but that was his ''move''.
We played 5 ahead last pocket 8 ball bar table/posted up$$$.
I was behind many times with opponent on 4 games with him never gettin there.
After about 5 hours we both tired of putting quarters in with the game and dibbed up our post money.
Little Sergio???
He always acted/role played like he was ''loaded/stoned out'' somewhat incoherent, but that was his ''move''.
We played 5 ahead last pocket 8 ball bar table/posted up$$$.
I was behind many times with opponent on 4 games with him never gettin there.
After about 5 hours we both tired of putting quarters in with the game and dibbed up our post money.
Little Sergio???
When I heard the term "10 game freeze out" I always thought it was referring to a race to 10. Seems co-pilot agrees:
Copilot
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In the movie “The Hustler,” a “10-game freeze-out” refers to a specific type of pool game. Let me break it down for you:
Copilot
Usingthe web
In the movie “The Hustler,” a “10-game freeze-out” refers to a specific type of pool game. Let me break it down for you:
- 10-Game: This means that the players agree to play a set of ten games. Each game is a separate match, and the winner of each game earns a point.
- Freeze-Out: In a freeze-out format, once a player reaches a predetermined number of wins (in this case, ten games), they are declared the overall winner, and the match ends. The other player(s) cannot continue playing; they are “frozen out.”
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We used to play snooker with the 6 wild. 100 point freeze out meaning regardless the score 100 points was the most you could lose per game.
I walked into a Holiday Inn lounge and there was a lone man playing on the 5×10 snooker table. I was shocked to see that table in that setting. Anyways he immediately asked if I wanted to play with the wild 6. I asked how much he said 25 cents a point. We'll I knew I could run a 100 on my table and this looked more like a rotation table so I counter offered just a dime with 100 point freeze out. He agreed and I beat him for $10 2 games in a row and he was done. He thanked me for lowering the bet. I said well I am the proverbial broke college kid and couldn't risk him being a champion.
I walked into a Holiday Inn lounge and there was a lone man playing on the 5×10 snooker table. I was shocked to see that table in that setting. Anyways he immediately asked if I wanted to play with the wild 6. I asked how much he said 25 cents a point. We'll I knew I could run a 100 on my table and this looked more like a rotation table so I counter offered just a dime with 100 point freeze out. He agreed and I beat him for $10 2 games in a row and he was done. He thanked me for lowering the bet. I said well I am the proverbial broke college kid and couldn't risk him being a champion.
It's been a long time since I heard "freeze out". I think it meant the same as a race, like to 5, where the money was posted. The alternative format was "by the game".
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Here's what Dr. Dave has:
freeze out: same as “freeze up.”
freeze up: agree to a set amount of money a gambling match will be played to, not quitting until the “frozen up” amount has been won; or, an “ahead session.”
To go beyond this, someone will have to go wake up Jay.
freeze out: same as “freeze up.”
freeze up: agree to a set amount of money a gambling match will be played to, not quitting until the “frozen up” amount has been won; or, an “ahead session.”
To go beyond this, someone will have to go wake up Jay.
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Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
We had two local players who every so often would get into a serious "ahead" game on a bar box. These sessions went on for days. As part of their ritual, they would let their used "quarter wrappers" pile up on floor beneath the coin slot. Everyone knew not to clean them up, and there would sometimes be a pile of hundreds when they finished. Guess who won? I wish I had thought to take a picture . . .
Don’t recall anything in the ‘HUSTLER’ 9-ball scene to contradict that assumption (?). In 35 yrs. of pool gambling, I had never encountered the ‘ahead’ format. The one and only time the proposition ever DID come up (10 ahead freeze-out), like Paul Newman, I beat the guy flat! (he walked away mumbling
).He could play with anybody when he was right. I watched him play Rafael Martinez for 10hrs and the broke even and decided to call it quits. I really liked Walden, Its been a long time, I always ask about him when I see any of the Oklahoma crew, hope he's getting better.