Fu***** smoking a$$ pool halls

I'm glad Illinois is nonsmoking. Forcing me to smoke outside saves me from feeling guilty when I read posts like this.
 
ShootingArts said:
I can't even mow my grass too early or too late because the noise doesn't stop at my property line. No other form of hazardous fumes besides smoking is permitted either.(OK, you can pass gas but it is frowned on too!) Even something that is harmless but stinks can get you fined or shut down. Smokers enjoy a position of special privilege that is out of sync with other people. Again it simply doesn't meet the test of equal rights for all. People should be allowed to smoke, at the same time it should be the smoker's responsibility to contain the smoke. Also smokers should bear the cost of their habit. Can you imagine the screams if smokers were paid 7-15% less for doing the same job as nonsmokers? Yet those are some of the real lost production figures I have seen for smoking. Lost time for smoke breaks plus more sick days taken by smokers. Personal experience running crews I have seen a lot of smokers that waste far more time than that.

Smokers as a group enjoy another form of welfare because everyone that pays taxes or buys a product bears some of the expenses for their habit.

Getting back to the original subject, smoking in pool halls, I think I'll start slinging the great greasy green goobers coming out of my inflamed sinuses everywhere at the hall. After all, they are as much a result of smokers as the secondhand smoke is. Nobody that is fine with secondhand smoke should object. Gonna add all new meaning to the term skid!

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Nice post. The first paragraph highlights an angle I hadn't thought too much about. What is to stop a business from saying "no smoke breaks. wait for your lunch hour, or work somewhere else."?

KMRUNOUT
 
genomachino said:
I was in a Waffle house down south and I sat in the non smoking section. I was only about 10 feet from a guy that was in the smoking section. He blew the smoke away from me like that was going to do any good. The place was only about 25 feet wide. I got sick to my stomach.

This person knew how offensive his smoke was but he's going to do it anyway because he can.

I wonder if he would have cared if I brought some old chicken liver that I used for fishing back in the day that stunk real bad as long as i kept it in my section. I'll bet he couldn't finish his meal then.

Some smokers pretend to be considerate and some really are. Then there are some that just don't care. It's their right to kill people with their filthy habit. And their going to continue doing it until they are stopped.

But it's not really their right, it's just that the whole world really didn't know how bad it was on a persons health a long, long time ago. Like the 50's and 60's and 70's. In the 70's cancer insurance was flying high. All my friends were selling it. It was big business.

I can't believe they are still in the stone ages down there as far as protecting innocent peoples health.

I quit playing pool in wisconsin for 8 years. I could not be in the smoke anymore. I would be deathly sick for a week. If I played i drove to Minneapolis, about a 1 1/2 hour drive. They got smart way sooner than Wisconsin.

Anyone that has any health issues at all can't afford the chance of a poison like cigerette smoke in their lungs. They just can't deal with what the smoke does to their body on top of what they already have going on. It's devastating. it is so rediculous that it is still accepted anywhere in the USA.

If a person is diabetic the smoke is just to much. My friends that are diabetic that smoke are really going downhill fast. Pretty soon they'll be getting stuff cut off if they don't die first. What a shame. They are addicted and can't quit. I feel bad for them. It's proven over and over that second hand smoke is just as bad for you. What do people think? That by sucking it in and then blowing it out they are purifying the smoke. How rediculous.

I could go on and on.

I pray for all the smokers out there and hope that some day you can kick this terrible habit.

They say you got to die sometime but you might as well try to feel as good as you can as long as your here. The people that I know that die from cigerette related heath problems suffer a long time before they finally die and it's not pretty.

That's not for me. Life can be tough enough................

Many of the good tournys around the country , many players won't go to because of the smoke.

I've tried. Second or third day I can't even function right. My whole body is out of whack. If a person smokes or is in the smoke they are just used to being out of whack. But once your out of it for a year or 2 nobody can handle it well.

Those cig companies must pad the polititions pockets pretty well.

Do ya think?

Someone should do an investigation on this. There might be alot of dirt dug up. 60 minutes or some show like that.
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I love this post. You really hit the nail on the head on so many of the "arguments" smokers raise, out of pure compulsion, to defend their addiction. Nice job.

KMRUNOUT
 
haywood said:
call me old and grizzled, but if you don't like the smoke, don't go there....that's the problem I see with so many people these day...they don't like this or don't like, so let's ban it so nobody can do it....then you start gettin' into giant pissing contests between folks over stupidity...bottom line, if you don't like smoking in a pool room, don't go there....if demand is high enough, someone will open room that is smoke-free to cater to you so you can be happy....then those folks who smoke was give their dollars to some place that caters to them and let's them smoke...
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Naw, actually its more like "I want to live in a certain type of society because I think everyone would be better off, and I will do what I can to make it that way. Who's with me? Oh, mostly everyone? Ok, lets make our society the way we want. Oh, some people disagree? Well you don't have to LIVE here!"

If you don't like living in a community of people who on average prefer non smoking in all public places, you are certainly free to NOT LIVE THERE.

KMRUNOUT
 
The problem I have with smokers is they believe it is their right to smoke in public places when in reality it is just a privilege.

I never say anything unless the person is an ass about it but there are many times when I think I should have.

I have a cousin who is going through lung cancer treatments right now from smoking 2 packs a day for years.
His wife is also undergoing lung cancer treatment and she never smoked a butt.
Second hand smoke kills, that is a fact. You want to kill yourself, fine. Just don't take the rest of us with you on your way to an early grave.
 
I work at a place that requires smokers to clock out and leave the grounds to smoke. I have to take smoke free breaks at the pool hall. They do have shi*(*y smoke eaters but apparently the filter s still the original one. I am buying a table so I can play smoke free at home. I have friends that smoke and they don't even smoke in their own houses. This is not about personal liberty. Smoking kills. It kills you, it kills those around you. They use the extract from tobacco to kill bugs. If you can't quit, at least show some common courtesy.
 
Last night I was at the pool room for about 8 hours locked in a couple sessions. In China the thought of having a pool room be smoke free is farther away than imagining us colonizing Mars. And not only that there is no consideration whatsoever for those that don't smoke. No fans, no air filters. And on top of it the culture is such that if you smoke you run around offering cigarettes to everyone around you.

When I used to wear contacts being in super smoky rooms was really brutal. Now after laser surgery it's ok but still gets to me.

When I come home I have to literally detox. Clothes off and in a separate hamper, shower, lots of water or tea, stand out on the balcony and breath......

As a pool player who LOVES to gamble I will suck it up and deal with the smoky rooms. But no way on Earth will I let my daughter into that poisonous environment. The few times I have taken her to the pool room here we get her out the moment we see it filling up and getting smoky.

I am a libertarian as well but here is how I think about it. If you took a clear plexiglass cubic meter and you filled it with the same amount of smoke and put that in the middle of a mall and asked people if they would voluntarily stand inside it for an hour, ten minutes, or even a minute the response would be overwhelmingly negative because instinctively we know that smoke is bad for us.

Socially we have had to pass laws to protect the public from being dumped on by factories who prefer to dump their toxic waste behind the factory and in the river letting it go downstream.

So I really wish that every business would have to comply with a standard of clean air. It's possible to properly ventilate any room and remove all the bad air. I was in a room in Vegas which was full of people smoking and the air was fine. All smoke was sucked straight up and I wasn't bothered at all by people around me that were smoking.

I guess I can't understand why business owners don't have low tech solutions. I think a simple air flow solution with fans at both ends just like a paint booth would do a lot to keep fresh air flowing through the building.
 
Next they will start cracking down on peeing in pools. Peeing isnt illegal! And if you dont want to smell like pee then you shouldnt go swimming! Its my right to pee!!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
cueandcushion said:
Next they will start cracking down on peeing in pools. Peeing isnt illegal! And if you dont want to smell like pee then you shouldnt go swimming! Its my right to pee!!!!!! :rolleyes:
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If you do not have the self control to excuse yourself from the pool when you got to take a piss or shit then your just a lazy slob and I am not saying I never peed in the pool before so I guess I just called myself a lazy slob, haha. As for the smokers, no big deal for them to walk outside and puff away. I have heard countless times about smoking bans and how it has hurt poolrooms, did anyone ever think of all the business they have lost by non smokers who refuse to go there and will never come back? I think poolrooms still have this rep and that has hurt business too, your non smoking customers will live longer also.

I literally feel sick when someone is smoking around me, I get a headache and total loss of appetite not too mention smelling like an ashtray. I am unsure how people can play pool and see with smoke drying out their eyes also, I guess they are just used to it. When I go to Vegas poolrooms it is just unbearable, you want to enjoy the action but its a tradeoff for feeling like crap and smelling like it too afterwards.
 
cueandcushion said:
Next they will start cracking down on peeing in pools. Peeing isnt illegal! And if you dont want to smell like pee then you shouldnt go swimming! Its my right to pee!!!!!! :rolleyes:
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Well actually some public pools do crack down on it. They put a chemical in the water that makes urine turn into another color. So anyone who pees is outed pretty quickly.

As a pool room owner how do you feel about the air quality inside your place?

I owned a ten table room in Germany where people smoke a LOT. We had lots of windows on three sides so we could keep a pretty good airflow on most days.
 
Air quality is a lot better now without the smoking. We had 4 SmokeEaters and a ventilation fan before and it still had some pretty bad days on occasion.

Although forced on businesses in St. Louis County it was a definite boom to our income.
 
It is really funny to read how communist China has a better concept of business rights and the free market system than the USA. Depressing, but hilarious.


ShootingArts said:
Smokers as a group enjoy another form of welfare because everyone that pays taxes or buys a product bears some of the expenses for their habit.
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This is the biggest load of horse sh*t imaginable. What 'expenses' do smokers get paid for by other taxpayers? If anything the smokers are the ones subsidizing everyone else. Do you have any idea how much the taxes are on a pack of cigs? As just one example, 4 years ago I went on a cruise, once you hit 12/15 miles or whatever off shore, they opened up the duty-free store. In that store, with zero taxes, a carton of smokes was $12. The day I got off the boat back in the good old US of A I stopped at a store for some soda and saw they had cartons on 'sale' for $60.

20 years ago you could get a pack of smokes for $1.35, now you're lucky to find them under $7. And the cost got jacked up because politicians and states discovered it was free money, and all the blue-noses and butthurt busybodies are happy to vote for taxes on other people besides themselves. Same thing has happened to alcohol taxes. And don't think for a second all that money goes to 'welfare' for smokers, that's absurd. That money gets tossed in the general fund.

I've always thought that if anyone in the country deserved free healthcare, it should be smokers. After all, they are already paying for it.

haywood said:
call me old and grizzled, but if you don't like the smoke, don't go there....that's the problem I see with so many people these day...they don't like this or don't like, so let's ban it so nobody can do it....then you start gettin' into giant pissing contests between folks over stupidity...bottom line, if you don't like smoking in a pool room, don't go there....if demand is high enough, someone will open room that is smoke-free to cater to you so you can be happy....
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This, 100%.
 
Seeing how in the USA only 30% of the population smokes then I guess you guys on here who have the attitude that we nonsmokers can just go somewhere else should in fact shut the hell up and you go somewhere else.

And while you are all somewhere else you might as well smoke em if you got em.
 
Spider1 said:
It is really funny to read how communist China has a better concept of business rights and the free market system than the USA. Depressing, but hilarious.
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I wouldn't say that. It's that they don't yet consider it a problem. As to business rights I say that's a bit ridiculous.

Do you expect a restaurant to use safe food handling procedures? If so why?

We know that smoke is harmful. That's not in question. So why should anyone who walks into a business be subject to poisonous air?

Restaurants don't have the right to poison you so why should any other business?

And back to China, what's actually hilarious is that in Xiamen where I live it is illegal to smoke on the street but legal to smoke in restaurants, pool rooms, and well any enclosed space.

Someone else mentioned that some smokers (I bet much more than some) don't even smoke inside their own houses. They go outside to do it so that it doesn't stay in the house. But in a public setting they have no problem contributing to the smoky air.

I wonder what would happen if business owners were given a choice. Put up one of two signs on the front door. 1. No Smoking Inside - Clean Air Here. and 2. Smoking Allowed - Poisoned Air Here.

So no ban, just those two signs.

How would that go over?

As for smoking itself I subscribe to the witch's creed: Do what you want and harm none. So if you want to fill your lungs with poison go right ahead. Just don't share it with me. I don't force you to eat my Big Macs so I will will keep my poison to myself and you do the same.

Since we all have to breath the same air I suggest that all businesses which want to have smoking make themselves into private clubs and make any employees sign contracts that indemnify you from being sued for endangering the health of the employees.
 
As a reformed smoker (6months and counting) I can see both sides. I didnt quit because i hated the taste, or because the smoke bothered me, or i thought of what i might be doing to the others around me because back then i really didnt care, As long as i had cigaretts i didnt care about anything. Let it be known, cigaretts are just as or more difficult to quit than herroin. With that said, "I" and i alone made the decision to quit and save my own life. It took the death of 2 very close friends to wake me up to what is really going on with cigaretts. They will kill you!!!!!!!!!! That is a guarentee!!!!!!!!! History shows it, and your a damn fool if you turn a blind eye to what the effects of cigaretts do to your body. There are only 2 things that keep people smoking....1. Fear and 2. niccotine addiction Thats it, thats all, and once you get over the fear of doing without, then addiction to the drug niccotine is the only bridge you have to cross. Think about all the energy you put into smoking, all the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

Could i die tomorrow from a non smoking related accident yes, but, i can say i gave myself a chance at a healthy life for me and my family. Is it possible that 15yrs from now i develop lung cancer, it is, but i can say i gave myself a chance at a healthier life. Smokers who quaff at the idea of quiting shouldnt be ridiculed for thier decision, but helped to understand what thier doing to themselvs and those around them. I made the decision to say SCREW YOU PHILLIP MORRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! And i hope one day most smokers do too. BTW do any of you think i can get a return on my investment of 27 yrs??? i think not. maby if your a smoker try and call the cigarette manufacturer and ask if you can get a return on your purchases and see what they have to say :rolleyes:

Oh, just a little note......2 packs a day x an average of $7.18 a pack=$5241.40 DAMN!!!!! thats a few custom cue's, a couple JB cases, i mean crap even a new brunswick table and then some. That would make a nice gift to yourselvs at the end of the year wouldnt it?
 
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bankshotbo said:
Seeing how in the USA only 30% of the population smokes then I guess you guys on here who have the attitude that we nonsmokers can just go somewhere else should in fact shut the hell up and you go somewhere else.

And while you are all somewhere else you might as well smoke em if you got em.
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We are the 70%! Most business owners would gladly take 70% of the population as customers rather than 30%, your outnumbered more than 2-1! :thumbup:
 
Mc775 said:
As a reformed smoker (6months and counting) I can see both sides. I didnt quit because i hated the taste, or because the smoke bothered me, or i thought of what i might be doing to the others around me because back then i really didnt care, As long as i had cigaretts i didnt care about anything. Let it be known, cigaretts are just as or more difficult to quit than herroin. With that said, "I" and i alone made the decision to quit and save my own life. It took the death of 2 very close friends to wake me up to what is really going on with cigaretts. They will kill you!!!!!!!!!! That is a guarentee!!!!!!!!! History shows it, and your a damn fool if you turn a blind eye to what the effects of cigaretts do to your body. There are only 2 things that keep people smoking....1. Fear and 2. niccotine addiction Thats it, thats all, and once you get over the fear of doing without, then addiction to the drug niccotine is the only bridge you have to cross. Think about all the energy you put into smoking, all the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!

Could i die tomorrow from a non smoking related accident yes, but, i can say i gave myself a chance at a healthy life for me and my family. Is it possible that 15yrs from now i develop lung cancer, it is, but i can say i gave myself a chance at a healthier life. Smokers who quaff at the idea of quiting shouldnt be ridiculed for thier decision, but helped to understand what thier doing to themselvs and those around them. I made the decision to say SCREW YOU PHILLIP MORRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! And i hope one day most smokers do too. BTW do any of you think i can get a return on my investment of 27 yrs??? i think not. maby if your a smoker try and call the cigarette manufacturer and ask if you can get a return on your purchases and see what they have to say :rolleyes:

Oh, just a little note......2 packs a day x an average of $7.18 a pack=$5241.40 DAMN!!!!! thats a few custom cue's, a couple JB cases, i mean crap even a new brunswick table and then some. That would make a nice gift to yourselvs at the end of the year wouldnt it?
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Whether its a pack or 2 a day, it adds up to $2500-$5000+ a year, that is a nice vacation or some nice stuff you can buy with that money. Good for you on smartening up. :smile:
 
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