Fundamentals - Stepping Into The Shot

[ENGLISH!]

Different people believe & would teach different 'fundamentals'.

IMHO...

There is no one fundamental stance nor how one gets into it. There are different approaches & they can be sound if one arrives in a solid on line alignment with the shot at hand.

I step into the stance. There are some younger guys at my local hall that plant their front foot & use that as there line stabilization method & then step back. They shoot very well. I'll have to ask if they were taught that by the same individual or did they pass it on from one to the other.

IMHO...

'Definitive' statements should be tempered.

Perhaps then there would be more harmony on AZB.

That said, until gravity changes, it still pulls in the direction that we call down. Some facts are fact & hence 'definitive'.

Best to ALL,
Rick

 

[BeiberLvr]

I highly doubt you walk in and make those breaks. It would put you in such an elite class of players that you wouldn't have time to post here you'd be playing so much. For someone who just discovered how a small bit of information can help them, it's really absurd that you talk as if your an elite snooker player. If you truly did have an idea of what consistency is you would of used the word when bring up this topic. You didn't. You omitted information for whatever reason.

To think that someone making high breaks means they should be on the pro tour is a lot like thinking someone that can beat the 9ball ghost can get into the box and play Shane even.

 

[ENGLISH!]

To think that someone making high breaks means they should be on the pro tour is a lot like thinking someone that can beat the 9ball ghost can get into the box and play Shane even.

Jon,

If one can do it consistently...it's not beyond the realm of possibility...IF they can handle the self imposed 'pressure'.

There have been quite a number of come from 'nowhere' Major Champions in Golf...why not in pool & snooker too.

Wasn't Alex Higgins a sort of young from nowhere World Champion.

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays,
Rick

 

[BeiberLvr]

Jon,

If one can do it consistently...it's not beyond the realm of possibility...IF they can handle the self imposed 'pressure'.

There have been quite a number of come from 'nowhere' Major Champions in Golf...why not in pool & snooker too.

Wasn't Alex Higgins a sort of young from nowhere World Champion.

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays,
Rick

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just not likely.

All I was really trying to get at is that putting up 70+ breaks in snooker doesn't mean you play pro speed. In fact, I think that's what we would consider an A player or maybe a short stop.

Maybe you could also compare it to an A player in pool that can consistently run between 50 and 100 in straight pool. If a guy came on here saying he could do that, I bet no one would belittle him and say if it were true he should be on the pro tour.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just not likely.

All I was really trying to get at is that putting up 70+ breaks in snooker doesn't mean you play pro speed. In fact, I think that's what we would consider an A player or maybe a short stop.

Maybe you could also compare it to an A player in pool that can consistently run between 50 and 100 in straight pool. If a guy came on here saying he could do that, I bet no one would belittle him and say if it were true he should be on the pro tour.

Jon,

The point, I think... that Hits em Hard was making is that if he is consistently(that word again that was his focus)is making breaks of 70 to 100 then perhaps he should be putting more time in as he is not that far off from maybe making a jump.

Remember.... they were already in a bit of a pissing match & everything said was not completely rational. So.. why critique his comment rationally?

 

[iusedtoberich]

Wedge, seriously, cancel your 360 order. I just got mine out after not touching it since I bought it 3 years ago or whenever they came out. Its total garbage. The spring is so stiff, I call bull sh1t that it will bend for anyone unless they are a Z player. Mine when shooting doesn't move at all. And I stink, I'm a C+ player.

The stick is also pretty low quality itself. Its got a taper worse than a 3 cushion taper. The tip is probably 13.5mm, and the stroking area is probably 15mm. The points are painted on. And the ferrule is proud of the shaft.

I could get by all the low quality stuff if it did what it was designed to do. It does not.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Wedge, seriously, cancel your 360 order. I just got mine out after not touching it since I bought it 3 years ago or whenever they came out. Its total garbage. The spring is so stiff, I call bull sh1t that it will bend for anyone unless they are a Z player. Mine when shooting doesn't move at all. And I stink, I'm a C+ player.

The stick is also pretty low quality itself. Its got a taper worse than a 3 cushion taper. The tip is probably 13.5mm, and the stroking area is probably 15mm. The points are painted on. And the ferrule is proud of the shaft.

I could get by all the low quality stuff if it did what it was designed to do. It does not.

Thanks for the review. I was actually starting to consider it but I did not see it as giving any real feed back other than it did not move in a straight line. Okay but why?

Thanks again,
Rick

 

[ddadams]

This is so important it isn't even funny.

The biggest thing I am struggling with personally. But slowly and surely, I am getting there.

 

[azhousepro]

Lets all play nice in this thread.

Debate is one thing. Name calling is another.

No one wants to go on a timeout, this close to the holidays.

Mike

 

[sheffield6]

Wedge, seriously, cancel your 360 order. I just got mine out after not touching it since I bought it 3 years ago or whenever they came out. Its total garbage. The spring is so stiff, I call bull sh1t that it will bend for anyone unless they are a Z player. Mine when shooting doesn't move at all. And I stink, I'm a C+ player.

The stick is also pretty low quality itself. Its got a taper worse than a 3 cushion taper. The tip is probably 13.5mm, and the stroking area is probably 15mm. The points are painted on. And the ferrule is proud of the shaft.

I could get by all the low quality stuff if it did what it was designed to do. It does not.

I think you got a bad one, I tried one once, couldn't hit a ball with it, if your stroke was even slightly off it bent real easy.
And I think the quality is reflected in the price, it is just a training aid.
Try some wd40:smile:

 

[(((Satori)))]

I think CJ should post here. I learned years ago my method of approaching the shot from none other than the same dvd's he sells today. The method is very much like how Mika does it which is not that different from what Pidge is saying really. I don't get where he thinks Mika's method is stepping back from the shot.

 

[Pidge]

I think you got a bad one, I tried one once, couldn't hit a ball with it, if your stroke was even slightly off it bent real easy.
And I think the quality is reflected in the price, it is just a training aid.
Try some wd40:smile:

My nephew was the same. I can't speak for the American pool version of it, perhaps they have to be stiffer for the difference in balls but the snooker version was just like the one in the video. You could give it a little shake and it would turn to jelly.

 

[Johnnyt]

I think CJ should chime in here. I learned years ago my method of approaching the shot from none other than the same dvd's he sells today. The method is very much like how Mika does it.

I set up and step in just like CJ and Mika. Putting the tip of your cue about an inch behind the CB and and the back hand as even as possible with your waist. Johnnyt

 

[iusedtoberich]

My nephew was the same. I can't speak for the American pool version of it, perhaps they have to be stiffer for the difference in balls but the snooker version was just like the one in the video. You could give it a little shake and it would turn to jelly.

Mine is the pool version. I just watched part of the linked video. I "tried" to make mine bend in a shot by using a "death grip" on the butt. I couldn't get it to bend. I know my stroke is not great because I'm not a great player

 

[sheffield6]

Mine is the pool version. I just watched part of the linked video. I "tried" to make mine bend in a shot by using a "death grip" on the butt. I couldn't get it to bend. I know my stroke is not great because I'm not a great player

yours is definitely faulty

 

[Pidge]

Mine is the pool version. I just watched part of the linked video. I "tried" to make mine bend in a shot by using a "death grip" on the butt. I couldn't get it to bend. I know my stroke is not great because I'm not a great player

Send it back. Its not much of a training aid if it plays like a regular cue.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I bought it a few years ago. If it's faulty it's the design, not my specific unit. There is nothing to go wrong with a spring in this design. Now, maybe they have a spring with a different rate on the pool vs snooker one. Or, they might have changed the spring over the years. I remember I got mine when it first came out, because they had the snooker version but the pool version was still not available. As soon as the pool version hit the market I bought it.

 

[Pidge]

I bought it a few years ago. If it's faulty it's the design, not my specific unit. There is nothing to go wrong with a spring in this design. Now, maybe they have a spring with a different rate on the pool vs snooker one. Or, they might have changed the spring over the years. I remember I got mine when it first came out, because they had the snooker version but the pool version was still not available. As soon as the pool version hit the market I bought it.

Very odd. Its likely it is a different spring. It would have to be slightly more tolerable than the snooker version since the balls are slightly heavier but it should still have plenty of give in it.

My only conclusion is you have a perfect stroke. The only thing holding you back from being a world beater is because you haven't found the right aiming system yet ;-) I kid.

It a shame you had a crappy experience with your cue, but from my experience with it its a very good training aid.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

To think that someone making high breaks means they should be on the pro tour is a lot like thinking someone that can beat the 9ball ghost can get into the box and play Shane even.

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just not likely.

All I was really trying to get at is that putting up 70+ breaks in snooker doesn't mean you play pro speed. In fact, I think that's what we would consider an A player or maybe a short stop.

Maybe you could also compare it to an A player in pool that can consistently run between 50 and 100 in straight pool. If a guy came on here saying he could do that, I bet no one would belittle him and say if it were true he should be on the pro tour.

Pidge said he was going to consistently put up 70, 80, 90, and 100 breaks using this helpful hint. I called him out on being able to do that consistently. Why? Because if he were to consistently get those breaks, that puts him in a top 50 world situation. Last time I played snooker two and a half years ago I shot a 53 break. My next best is 26. After paying attention to Corey Dueul and Alex P trying to go for snooker qualifying this year it really showed one thing to me. Your average snooker player doesn't get much more than a 60 break more than 20% of the time.

As far as comparing snooker breaks to pocket billiards, you're off in what's what. If someone is able to consistently put up 100+ breaks, that's equivalent to an 8 pack break and run or better. Lower our standards to just 70 point breaks and better and that's like a 5 pack for break and runs. If I could consistently put down 5 packs, not only would I be competing in pro level tournies, I might have a chance to win one. Same goes for consistently putting up 70+ breaks.

Every top tier pro for every sport is there because of one reason, they've developed consistency in their game. It's why Tim Tebow was a failure as a quarterback. His consistency for throwing was in the wrong stat. He was consistently throwing incomplete passing. Who usually wins pro golf tournies? The person with the best consistency for hitting for fairways(FIR) and greens(GIR). Who wins pool tournaments, almost always the most consistent player.

It doesn't matter how you decide to step in for the shot, what matters is that you do it consistently.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Pidge said he was going to consistently put up 70, 80, 90, and 100 breaks using this helpful hint. I called him out on being able to do that consistently. Why? Because if he were to consistently get those breaks, that puts him in a top 50 world situation. Last time I played snooker two and a half years ago I shot a 53 break. My next best is 26. After paying attention to Corey Dueul and Alex P trying to go for snooker qualifying this year it really showed one thing to me. Your average snooker player doesn't get much more than a 60 break more than 20% of the time.

As far as comparing snooker breaks to pocket billiards, you're off in what's what. If someone is able to consistently put up 100+ breaks, that's equivalent to an 8 pack break and run or better. Lower our standards to just 70 point breaks and better and that's like a 5 pack for break and runs. If I could consistently put down 5 packs, not only would I be competing in pro level tournies, I might have a chance to win one. Same goes for consistently putting up 70+ breaks.

Every top tier pro for every sport is there because of one reason, they've developed consistency in their game. It's why Tim Tebow was a failure as a quarterback. His consistency for throwing was in the wrong stat. He was consistently throwing incomplete passing. Who usually wins pro golf tournies? The person with the best consistency for hitting for fairways(FIR) and greens(GIR). Who wins pool tournaments, almost always the most consistent player.

It doesn't matter how you decide to step in for the shot, what matters is that you do it consistently.

Hmm. Stick to golf.