Galveston One Pocket Payout

[allen_jr]

I think Efren would have preferred to have won $25,000 because that is what he traveled all the way over here for, that is why he has spent countless hours playing pool, that is his reward for becoming a master of his craft, that is what was advertised, and that is what he thought he was still playing for when the event started.

And I'm guessing thats what Efren wanted too, since he voted that way.

No one knows what might happen next year, he wanted to get the money now.

Again, if they decided before play began, it would have been different. Still not ideal, since the only reason so many players came is because of the advertised payouts. You can't just vote in the middle.

Everyone here seems so impressed that the World's best players showed up in Galveston, well, guarantee lots of money and that's what happens. It's no secret. The hard part is making sure it is there to pay out when the time is due.

 

[billiardspro]

I think Efren would have preferred to have won $25,000 because that is what he traveled all the way over here for, that is why he has spent countless hours playing pool, that is his reward for becoming a master of his craft, that is what was advertised, and that is what he thought he was still playing for when the event started.

And I'm guessing thats what Efren wanted too, since he voted that way.

No one knows what might happen next year, he wanted to get the money now.

Again, if they decided before play began, it would have been different. Still not ideal, since the only reason so many players came is because of the advertised payouts. You can't just vote in the middle.

Everyone here seems so impressed that the World's best players showed up in Galveston, well, guarantee lots of money and that's what happens. It's no secret. The hard part is making sure it is there to pay out when the time is due.

I think everyone is missing the point that this is what the players wanted . They didnt just do it in the 1 pocket they did it in all divisions. mika didnt get what was advertised. I think it was good what they did. You would have had players chopping the money and all that does is hurt the fans of the game that are there watching.
Take for example that match between gabe and scott 1 pocket challenge was the worst match i have ever seen.(THEY WERE CHOPPING) and everyone knew it.
There were hundreds of people at this tourny that werent even playing. They came to watch some good pool and spend some money for a good reason.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

1. They advertised before the event with a larger 1.prize

2. They STARTED the event without saying anything, which means all the players at the event thought the 1.prize still was guaranteed

3. They shouldn't force the players to make a decision like that, after the event is started and people are already at the venue. ALL players thought that $ 25 k was 1.prize when they booked their flights, and even after they had played their first matches. 90 % of the players would probably bet on Efren to win the tournament before the event started. Now, after the event started, these players got a christmas present from the organizer, and could "legally" robbing $ 10k from Efren by voting for spreading it around. Who are the selfish pr!cks in this scenario?

4. IF someone should choose option 3 again, atleast let the players vote on a piece of paper instead of raising hands. That way we can prevent that HOF and the most famous poolplayer will be called a selfish pr!ck in the future, just for wanting the deal that was guaranteed...

EDIT: This was more a reply to many posts, not only billiardspro, so I deleted the quote I had on his post. But based on my answer I disagree with billiardspro that "this is what the players wanted". They wanted to play in a tournament that advertised 25k to the winner, that's the event they booked their tickets for

EDIT again: As I have mentioned in other threads, I REALLY hope this event will be a great success in the future, but I hope they have learned the lesson when it comes to advertising.

 

[allen_jr]

I don't think Efren would have chopped. Not sure, just a guess.

Not all players chop. Yes, a lot do, but that's because the money isn't so great in pool, and they just want to pay their expenses. And thats because the players don't hold promoters accountable.

As I mentioned, the only reason so many of the World's best players showed up is because something was GUARANTEED. They didn't come because they enjoy the weather in Galveston. They didn't come to put on a good show for the fans. They came to try to make money. Money that was GUARANTEED.

Once it was apparent that the promises weren't going to be met, the players should have not played. Thats the only way to prevent this from happening over and over. I know that will never happen, and if the top players did collectively agree to not play, then the second string would gladly step up, because they want the money. Is a no-win situation, I know, but the players should keep their pride and stop letting promoters lure them into a situation by offering certain terms and then changing the terms once they're there. Of course they'll play for less money, they've just spent money travelling and are stuck there with nothing else to do.

However, the players job is not to put on a good show. Thats the promoters job. As much as fans may think it is, it isn't. The players are there to earn a living. If a player chooses to be more "fan-friendly", then that is best for his or her personal success level (Jeanette)... the smarter players realize this and do what they can to expand their fan base, which may attract sponsor money, more invitaions to events, etc... But just being there and playing and trying to win is all they are there for. It is the promoters job to attract top quality players, keep them happy, and provide a good situation for fans to enjoy.

If the players had collectively refused to play, seems like most people here would call them selfish and that they spoiled it for the fans, but thats not the case. If the players were forced to collectively quit, then blame the promoter, they're the ones that ruined it for the fans. In this case, offering a GUARANTEE of something and then not delivering. The players need to start doing things like this to better themselves in the long run.... I don't think it will ever happen, but it should.

I personally would be much more impressed if I heard that the Worlds best players walked out because the promoters did not deliver what was promised. Yes, that would suck for all the fans that traveled all the way there to watch the event, and spent money to watch the event... but again, thats not the players' fault, you can't hold the players accountable for the event not delivering as promised... its the promoters.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

I don't think Efren would have chopped. Not sure, just a guess.

Not all players chop. Yes, a lot do, but that's because the money isn't so great in pool, and they just want to pay their expenses. And thats because the players don't hold promoters accountable.

As I mentioned, the only reason so many of the World's best players showed up is because something was GUARANTEED. They didn't come because they enjoy the weather in Galveston. They didn't come to put on a good show for the fans. They came to try to make money. Money that was GUARANTEED.

Once it was apparent that the promises weren't going to be met, the players should have not played. Thats the only way to prevent this from happening over and over. I know that will never happen, and if the top players did collectively agree to not play, then the second string would gladly step up, because they want the money. Is a no-win situation, I know, but the players should keep their pride and stop letting promoters lure them into a situation by offering certain terms and then changing the terms once they're there. Of course they'll play for less money, they've just spent money travelling and are stuck there with nothing else to do.

However, the players job is not to put on a good show. Thats the promoters job. As much as fans may think it is, it isn't. The players are there to earn a living. If a player chooses to be more "fan-friendly", then that is best for his or her personal success level (Jeanette)... the smarter players realize this and do what they can to expand their fan base, which may attract sponsor money, more invitaions to events, etc... But just being there and playing and trying to win is all they are there for. It is the promoters job to attract top quality players, keep them happy, and provide a good situation for fans to enjoy.

If the players had collectively refused to play, seems like most people here would call them selfish and that they spoiled it for the fans, but thats not the case. If the players were forced to collectively quit, then blame the promoter, they're the ones that ruined it for the fans. In this case, offering a GUARANTEE of something and then not delivering. The players need to start doing things like this to better themselves in the long run.... I don't think it will ever happen, but it should.

I personally would be much more impressed if I heard that the Worlds best players walked out because the promoters did not deliver what was promised. Yes, that would suck for all the fans that traveled all the way there to watch the event, and spent money to watch the event... but again, thats not the players' fault, you can't hold the players accountable for the event not delivering as promised... its the promoters.

Very well said!!!

 

[tylerp52]

all yall people talk shit about what happend and thats all yall do at lests there trying to do somthing good for pool there isnt to many people out there that would just fucc off a million to try to get pool back where it use to be so y talk shit cause there doing somthin and your not

 

[allen_jr]

all yall people talk shit about what happend and thats all yall do at lests there trying to do somthing good for pool there isnt to many people out there that would just fucc off a million to try to get pool back where it use to be so y talk shit cause there doing somthin and your not

Some people are doing things. Doing something good for pool is not what they did. All they did was provide another example of what is wrong with pool. If an outside "potential sponsor" saw what happened (ie: things being promised that didn't happen) they would think this sport is a joke. Why would anyone get involved with this? Say one thing, do another, and no one cares?

Advertising an event and running it as you said you would is important. Until everyone realizes this and holds people accountable, nothing will improve.

I am not trying to be negative in regards to the promoters, I am sure they are very nice people with good ambitions. However, things were not done properly here, and the only way to make things better is to critique what was done wrong in order for it to not happen again. From what I understand, they come from outside the pool industry, and are quite successful. They could probably spot most poolplayers the 8 when it comes to "business sense". However, pool is a unique situation.

Almost everybody here could have told these guys that the turnout would not support the payouts, and that they would lose money. As smart business people, I'm sure they will learn and adapt. But, as smart customers, poolplayers should expect what was promised, and not settle for less. If Walmart sold you a 60" flatscreen for $50, and you got home and opened the box and it contained a 18" Black & White with rabbit-ears, you would be outraged. You would walk into Walmart and demand your money back. It's a stretch, but this is essentially the same thing. What was promised was not delivered, and yet no one cares... Well, hey, at least Walmart tried to sell you a TV. At least they did something, right?

Please don't assume that people here don't know what they are talking about, or have never done anything for pool. Most of the people here care quite a bit about pool and its future, thats why we are all here. Well, plus to procrastinate a bit while at work too I suppose

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

anybody recall the 2008 WPC? I believe it was one of the poorest organized pool major event driven by arrogance and corruption. the supposed bonus or giveaway to players never came. and I'm quite unsure if all of the participants in the money rounds got paid or paid full.

 

[pvc lou]

Efren's the King.

I saw the player meeting taking place. I thought it was the final 12 guys. Oscar Dominguez told me that the promoter held the meeting and asked the guys if they wanted him to take money from first and spread it out to the remainder of the field, since it was so top heavy due to mediocre attendance. They all agreed, except Reyes. At that point I realized that Efren is a selfish pr*ck. From that moment on I was rooting for him to lose. When he did win, I was happy that he only won 15K.


Doc

This kind of talk is what you will hear from a man who will try to hold you down, in the name of the "greater good." Of all the champions in that room, only one showed the heart and confidence of a true champion. He decided he wanted to play for the whole amount, and he won. I think efren is a hero for that. Doc, you suck.

 

[gunzby]

Gene had my lil Arab stuck 6-2 in their match.final was 9-7 Abood...Da dune coon musta caught a gear.

That is actually the most racist thing I have seen on this site. You may be American and making an Arab reference, but come on.

 

[gunzby]

I agree with Efren and Allison. I would vote for what I am working to win and not what I can get if I lose. Pretty cool that Efren and Allison are my top favorites for male/female players.

 

[bfdlad]

I don't think Efren would have chopped. Not sure, just a guess.

Not all players chop. Yes, a lot do, but that's because the money isn't so great in pool, and they just want to pay their expenses. And thats because the players don't hold promoters accountable.

As I mentioned, the only reason so many of the World's best players showed up is because something was GUARANTEED. They didn't come because they enjoy the weather in Galveston. They didn't come to put on a good show for the fans. They came to try to make money. Money that was GUARANTEED.

Once it was apparent that the promises weren't going to be met, the players should have not played. Thats the only way to prevent this from happening over and over. I know that will never happen, and if the top players did collectively agree to not play, then the second string would gladly step up, because they want the money. Is a no-win situation, I know, but the players should keep their pride and stop letting promoters lure them into a situation by offering certain terms and then changing the terms once they're there. Of course they'll play for less money, they've just spent money travelling and are stuck there with nothing else to do.

However, the players job is not to put on a good show. Thats the promoters job. As much as fans may think it is, it isn't. The players are there to earn a living. If a player chooses to be more "fan-friendly", then that is best for his or her personal success level (Jeanette)... the smarter players realize this and do what they can to expand their fan base, which may attract sponsor money, more invitaions to events, etc... But just being there and playing and trying to win is all they are there for. It is the promoters job to attract top quality players, keep them happy, and provide a good situation for fans to enjoy.

If the players had collectively refused to play, seems like most people here would call them selfish and that they spoiled it for the fans, but thats not the case. If the players were forced to collectively quit, then blame the promoter, they're the ones that ruined it for the fans. In this case, offering a GUARANTEE of something and then not delivering. The players need to start doing things like this to better themselves in the long run.... I don't think it will ever happen, but it should.

I personally would be much more impressed if I heard that the Worlds best players walked out because the promoters did not deliver what was promised. Yes, that would suck for all the fans that traveled all the way there to watch the event, and spent money to watch the event... but again, thats not the players' fault, you can't hold the players accountable for the event not delivering as promised... its the promoters.

Jr, I agree wth you. I am not talking about this event but any event. If the players found out the $$ was not there and walked leaving the promoter out to dry I am sure changing the $$ after the event started would not happen.
The problem is as you said, who is gonna do that? there is still $$ on the table and after you have paid your entry, travel etc most players are gonna want to get some of it back and some is better than nothing. I hate to reference or comapir Pool to golf but can anyone imagine what would happen at the Masters if the $$ got changed in the middle of the 3rd day? Maybe the players in golf have a players organization that makes sure the $$ is there. Look what happened in Phoenix, the players didn't know the money wasn't there until they got home and the checks were no good. If it wasn't for Jay Helford pursuing in leagally and Mark Griffin getting the $$ it would have been better to come in 6th place than it would have been to win the thing. Again, i love the idea of the players in any tournament that is not going to follow through just walking out but unless someone with alot of cash says Hey guys walk and I will personally give you the $$ it won't happen.