Gambling 101

To stay under the gun. Playing for fun, is the worst thing I have found for my game, so I quit going to the pool hall, just to play. Bad habits creep back, stroke is sloppy, etc... Under no circumstances, can I make myself bear down when it's funsies. I can try really hard, concentrate for all I'm worth, but in the back of mind, I know it doesn't matter. So....tournaments aren't always convenient, and only on the weekends, where I currently live, which means, I have no other means, of being under pressure, other than matching up. Gambling is the best way I have to play serious.
I have a regular job, don't depend on pool for money, I have no backer, and play on my own dime. Giving up the money I worked for, is not something I enjoy. Being secure, in what's in my pocket/bank account is something I enjoy also, therefore, if my money is on the line, I'm dead serious. There is no fun and games for me in this game. Pool is different things for different people, but my only goal is to never stop improving.
 
I play for money but I'm not gambling.

I only play money when there is a good value, wich made me a winner on the long run.
 
Dopamine.

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Only idiots and lowlives are after Dopamines in their lives. It's there for certain goals in our lives, but for a small subset. Most people take it too seriously or are after the kick.
It's quick win, but tires you out.
We call them junkies in the end. They're immature, feeding on their cavemen instincts of satisfaction.

I keep Dopamine people out of my life, I don't even accept them as acquaintance.
As such, I'm also far less influencable by incentives. Or Facebook. Or fake news. I'm no in for "the good feeling".

People who want to be content and happy for a longer time focus on the relationships and also leading and teaching others, helping them reach their goals and feel safe. If you want to talk about neurotransmitters again, Serotonin and Oxytocin.
It's slow, but rewarding for a long time. Maybe a little to advanced for you short-term-living-guys in the US...

Cheers,
M
 
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When I'm told I'll never be any good if I don't play for money, I say that's okay because I'm into playing for the fun of it, so how good I do or don't get isn't important.

In my experience, gambling only creates hard feelings.

Hey, if you like to gamble, fine. Just don't bother asking me.

Yeah, that old saying about "playing for money will improve your game" is only partially true. It's been my experience that the more you gamble the less important money becomes. I mean, a seasoned gambler has learned to put no value on the money they win, which also means no value on the money they lose. Dropping your entire bankroll, whether it's $300 or $3000, doesn't make you mad or upset because of the value of the money -- it's the simple fact that you are out and have no more to gamble with that really gets to you. There are guys that will lose their entire paychecks every payday like they don't need the money. It doesn't make them better pool players. If they are already good players, and just get nervous and tighten up when playing for cash, eventually, when the cash becomes valueless, they will no longer tighten up.

Any stressful/pressure situation works this way. You can be an excellent speaker, singer, pool player, etc....but fall apart when under pressure -- fear of an audience, of not performing well, or the fear of losing money, pride, etc...can make you look and feel like a loser, like you are not good at what you are doing. But the more you place yourself in these pressure situations, the more you learn to cope with your nerves without falling apart. You become seasoned, not so much better at what you do, but better at doing it under pressure.
 
I have a question for the gamblers::

Would you still gamble if you had to pay IRS taxes on your winnings?

Lol. Yes, because I could also write off my total loses as "loss of income" up to the amount of my winnings, so they would cancel each other out.
 
Hello everyone.
Recently our own ChrisinNC brought us a thread "Gambling Scenario - Opinions"

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=470489

It got some interesting response, or at least I found it interesting. Personally I don't
gamble, maybe because I'm careful, or maybe because I'm cheap, I dunno.

To me I enjoy the security of knowing what I have in my wallet and what my financial limits are.

I guess I should correct that by saying I don't gamble with my own money, I have gambled when
someone had enough confidence in my game to offer to negotiate terms and put up for me.

I love to watch the big money games and the banter or deal making that goes on beforehand.

I remember being at local room some years ago and a friend of mine shows up with about $10000
in his pocket for a money game with one of the employees.

The employee couldn't get out of work but they both wanted to gamble, so they agreed to go $5000 two
times on a coin flip. It was really cool to watch, but I never understood why or how.

So that brings me to my question, Why do you gamble?

Is it to win money or is it that you have a hard time finding motivation if there's no "real skin" in the game?

Do you need to gamble to play, even if it's just for a beer or for table time? Do you count on
your winnings as a part of your livelihood or income?

What is it about gambling that makes you do it or even want to do it?

A pool hall employee with $10,000 to gamble with on a coin flip?
That's like a hummingbird catching a whale for dinner.
 
I play for money but I'm not gambling.

I only play money when there is a good value, which made me a winner on the long run.
Some people criticize a comment like this and say that you're a "lock-artist" and things like that, but me personally, I do trust the Fargo Rating and even long-time league averages for a good read on how good my opponents can play.

I also find "no value" in playing someone that I have a very slim chance of beating. I know how I play and I have no desire to sit and watch someone else run out all day on my dime.

I prefer to play someone with an equal or lower average or rating than me. If I play someone with a significantly lower rating than me, many times I will spot them two to one on the money. $20 a game if they win, and only $10 a game if I win. I've found that the higher skilled player tends to find a way to win in that situation and overall will still come out ahead, while adding some extra pressure.
 
I have a question for the gamblers::

Would you still gamble if you had to pay IRS taxes on your winnings?

I do not know, but in addition to your win/loss statement, could one write off other expeses, such as depreciation on equipment, table time, travel, entry fees, etc.

How do the action rooms at big tournaments work it?
 
I do not know, but in addition to your win/loss statement, could one write off other expeses, such as depreciation on equipment, table time, travel, entry fees, etc.

How do the action rooms at big tournaments work it?

Anyone who depreciates equipment used for his gambling "business" is crying out to be audited.
 
It's all theoretical. Such a gambler/pool player that would claim their winnings just doesn't exist.
There are lots of high-profile professional gamblers who either declare their winnings (and deduct their losses & expenses) - or go to jail. It’s a legitimate business where it’s legal.

pj
chgo
 
There are lots of high-profile professional gamblers who either declare their winnings (and deduct their losses & expenses) - or go to jail. It’s a legitimate business where it’s legal.

pj
chgo

Gamblers in a casino or horseteack....yes. A gambling pool player that wins 500 a week in a pool hall.... no. You would have to show me that guy. :cool:
 
Gamblers in a casino or horseteack....yes. A gambling pool player that wins 500 a week in a pool hall.... no. You would have to show me that guy. :cool:
I agree. But I also think the guys who consistently profit from it are few and far between - most pool gamblers are just taking turns holding the money, so nothing really to report anyway.

pj
chgo
 
I agree. But I also think the guys who consistently profit from it are few and far between - most pool gamblers are just taking turns holding the money, so nothing really to report anyway.

pj
chgo

There was an article in an early Billiards Digest that said about the same thing. The really big scores where one guy makes a bunch of money and doesn't have backers/partners are few.
 
90% of the bad moments I have seen in pool halls were related to gambling.Most of the gamblers I see around here are perpetually broke and drive crappy cars....There are a few that prey on bar guys and friendly strangers.I would rather have the new friends instead of the $5-10.
 
90% of the bad moments I have seen in pool halls were related to gambling.Most of the gamblers I see around here are perpetually broke and drive crappy cars....There are a few that prey on bar guys and friendly strangers.I would rather have the new friends instead of the $5-10.

Pool and billiards vocabulary lesson for the day:

A person who "preys" on bar guys and friendly strangers is called a bottom feeder. Sometimes, depending on their overall attitude, they might be referred to as douchebag bottom feeders.

Tomorrows lesson: The nuts. I will be discussing everything from "Who has the Brazilians", to "outrunning the nuts". I will finish the lesson talking about something I get a lot of questions about, "Deez nuts"

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I thought they were locksmiths that nickle and dime rubes but never would play anyone good without stupid spots.The same guys that go to small uncompetitive bar tourneys and say they are 4s to rob it-once.
 
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