Gambling Etiquette

stuckart

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I thought I'd share my little experience from last night. (Sorry so long)

I show up at Pool Hall A around 4 o'clock as I know some people are playing ring game, flip scotch, etc. I have a couple hours to burn before I have to play league at Pool Hall B down the street. Within the first 2 minutes I'm there I get called over to play some cheap $40 sets with a guy I've gambled a little with before, we'll call him Tom.

I start the conversation with, "I only have time for maybe 2 sets before I have to go play league at Pool Hall B, but when we are done we can play for a couple hours."

Tom Replies, "When do you get done and how long can you play?"

Me: "We'll finish by 9:30 and I can only play for 2 hours if you want."

We go back and forth talking about how my wife works nights, I have a babysitter at the house, etc. etc. All sounds really good and there seems to be no problems.

I win the first set at Pool Hall A in a hill-hill battle 7 - 6. In set 2, he makes a stupid mistake and starts to get hot headed because of it. This starts a snowball and I'm playing well. I'm up 6 - 1 and he gets really bad on the 7 and then the 8 ball. He makes the 8 and scratches 100 mph in the side pocket. He throws his cue across the table. I'm up 2 sets and he pays me.

I pack up my cues and continue the conversation that if he wants to play some after league we can. And I know some people that will be there that have a BYE this week in league so he could probably play someone the entire time if he wanted to. All sounded good.

I'm playing league at Pool Hall B, and right around 9 o'clock Tom rolls into the room. Pool Hall A and Pool Hall B are right down the street from each other so it wasn't surprising that he'd stroll in there. We wrap up just before 9:30 and I'm signing sheets, collecting money, etc. He's just sitting across the room by some other mutual players chatting.

I come over and he flips immediately to start playing. The first set is weird and I'm getting lucky wins left and right. I made 2 - 9 ball breaks and get 2 more early combo's. He fights back and I leave him multiple 2 or 3 ball outs. At 5 - 5, I play safe and he kicks the 5 it goes off multiple balls and finds a pocket. Tom gets out and then Breaks in the 9 ball for the first set. I flip and we continue.

(Here's were things get fun)

I'm up 2 - 0 in the 2nd set and he plays a ball poorly and hooks himself. Tom swears a few times and is mumbling "rolls, mumble mumble, can't believe how many good rolls that (I) am getting". As if his bad position play was a good roll for me. From this point on the conversation is all just him going off left and right and I'm just playing, sitting down, eating a little bit. I think I won that set 7 - 3 or so.

He stands over the table with coin in hand and I look at my clock, it's 10:45, so I call Tails. He scratches on the opening break, I run out. I play safe in game 2, goes back and forth, I go up 2 - 0. Rack 3, he makes another bad position play, "Oh the rails are so bad, mumble mumble". He kicks short and I get ball in hand and run the last 5 balls. He puts some racks together and trade a few to get to 5 - 5. At this point I closed out my food tab at the bar and checked the clock it was 11:30. I text my babysitter that I'd be home a little bit late but only by a few minutes. (she has an early morning job too).

I break rack 11 and run out to get to the hill first. I think this was my first break and run of all the sets. I break in rack 12 and come up dry, clusters everywhere. As he approach's the table I break down my Break Cue and put it in my case as I won't be needing it any longer. We trade some shots early and I play a lock-up safe on the 2 ball. No way for him to make the contact, frozen to the bottom rail and the 3 ball kicking away with tons of traffic. He is elevated and tries some crazy kick, masse, something and ends up jumping the ball off the rail and hitting everyball on the table. Tom: "How in the HELL Does that happen, these rails are so bad, you are getting every roll, the rolls have to equal out sometime, blah blah, blah." I get to the table and it's still a mess, even with ball in hand. He's going off, swearing, etc. the entire time I'm at the table. He moved his chair and knocked his break cue on the ground all while I'm shooting.

I get down to the 6 ball and no real pocket for it. I play safe and push the 6 down by the bottom rail by the 7 and 9 ball and the cue ball up table behind the 8. He can't hit the 6 clean but comes behind it and makes contact. The 6 hits the 7 ball and the cueball all come out but nothing hits a rail after contact. I asked him, "Did you hit the 6 on the way in or only off the rail?" He looks at me all crazy eyed. "F'n take ball in hand then, god damn it, blah blah blah." I took ball in hand and ran the final 4 balls for the set win 7 - 5.

He reaches into his pocket and grabs out a coin to flip at the same time as I took my playing cue apart. I said Thanks for playing and we'll have to do it next time. Tom completely goes off on me. "You can't quit now! Mutha F'er, that is not fair to me."

Me: "I told you before you even came to Pool Hall B that I could only play for 2 hours after league."

Tom: "That is Bullshit, you just quit when it was convenient for you! I'm never going to gamble with you again!

Me: "Hey, I didn't lie to you or pull up early, I told you up front that I could only play for so long..."

Tom: "That means nothing, it's gambling, you don't put time limits on gambling! I knew I shouldn't have played you and you would pull something like this......."

I just finished grabbing the rest of my stuff. Said good bye to the guys trying to gamble on the next table, paid my tab at the bar and left.

Last words I hear from him: "I don't like to chase my money!"

Now was it worth the $120 I won? I'm not too sure yet. :grin:
 
Sounds like a regular day at the office IMO, I think it is good to set a time limit although I never have and it has cost me, not money wise but sleep wise. Me and Preacher have matched up the last couple times playing 8-10 hours, the one time we played until like 7am! :eek:

P.S. Dont gamble with this guy again for awhile, let him sulk in it, he will end up woofing at you for some higher dollar action and you will snap him off.
 
All that for $120?


LOL, I've seen people lose their mind over $20 :grin:

OP, it's no surprise the guy acted this way.....he was mumbling about the rails and the rolls, you had to know this was coming.....just don't gamble with him....sounds like the type of guy that takes the fun out of pool, no loss to you....
 
LOL, I've seen people lose their mind over $20 :grin:

OP, it's no surprise the guy acted this way.....he was mumbling about the rails and the rolls, you had to know this was coming.....just don't gamble with him....sounds like the type of guy that takes the fun out of pool, no loss to you....

Some people would probably lose there minds playing him, and even the guy on the next table said he always gets sharked playing him because of his antics.

I am always a calm person, so I think that might have made it worse on him to see me just shoot my shots and walk over and eat my food.
 
Sounds like you have a guy that will keep coming back until he wins..nice client.if you don't mind the bs..keep taking the money..beats trying to take it out of a mechine.
 
LOL I had a similar incident this week. I won't go over all the details but let's just say it was a lot of work for $100 profit(I paid all the time). I strolled into the pool hall after work and one of the better one pocket players in town was looking for some action. I told him I could play for 3 and a half hours at the most because I had plans. Well he agrees to play thinking he had me trapped up or something and I wouldn't make it that long.

Long story short he had no clue I'd been playing one pocket a lot recently and that old spot he gave me and stole the money before was no good. He's checking his watch the entire time once I had him stuck a few games. Then our little bet goes up, then up again. I had no problem with jacking the bet because I knew I could win almost every game I wanted to. I was completely trying to keep his loss around a $100 because I knew he didn't have his backer. So 8 oclock hits and he asks me to play 4 more games. At this point I'm up a $120 so I figure I'll just try to win $80. I lose the first 3 and am only up $60. I told him he can quit now but no matter what it's my last game. He says well play for $60. I agree.

I laid a great break down, he had to make my ball, I had a dead one in the stack so i banked into it and ran out in 1 inning, took the money, paid the time and hit the interstate as fast as I could as I was late for dinner with the woman. The entire time I'm leaving he's *****ing and moaning about me supposedly quitting when I felt like it. I even offered him at 5 or 6 different points a great buyout. Like I was gonna let him buyout for $20 when he was down $80, he wouldnt do a deal because he thought he was stealing.

Truth be told I only played because I wanted to make sure I could win the game. I didn't want the money then because I knew I could bet more later in the week and be more confident that I can win the game. I feel like I won a cnote and lost another 400 bucks in the process though. We'll see.
 
In the final game here is the lock-up safe I put him in. He is frozen to the rail and to the 3 ball.

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After he fouled I ran down to this position on the 6 ball. I didn't get the best on the 5 to get on the 6 so I thought this would work.

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This is the shot he took and no balls hit a rail. Honestly I don't think he even thought that he fouled when I asked him if he hit the 6 on the way in. (I knew 100% that he hadn't hit the 6)

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I have a question and i am wondering what people think of this, i was playing this guy 9 ball on 9 footer the cloth is ripped 3 of the rails are rock hard. but none the less we are playing a small set i think race to 5 for $20, so we play a few its back and forth finally he is up $20 and i get sick of playing on this table, i mean i know we both have to deal with it but come on, when you have to kick a ball or bank or get 2 to 3 rail position it becomes fairly hard. so i say to the guy i hate this table lets play on a box table, the table is much better newly covered no dead rails, so i say we can play 8, 9,10 does nt matter, he refuses and says he will only play on the table we were initially playing on, well i quite because the other table just drove me crazy. then i got to thinking if it was me and some one wanted to change to better equiptment i would be more than happy too, there is nothing better than a good table and also to give him a chance to get his money back ( haha a whole $20.... but the money is not the issue here it is principle or etiquette) anyway so what do you think about this and if someone did this or has done this to you? is it common for people to do this?
 
The Dos and Don'ts of gambling are really very simple - Keep things civil so you can keep your action and not get the crap kicked out of you. There are plenty of things that are frowned upon while gambling and I can provide a huge list but here is the bottom line - If you exhibit a tendency to be a difficult person to gamble with, nobody is going to want to gamble with you.

Many of us have jobs and when you have to be at work at 9am, it's IMPOSSIBLE to always play until the loser quits. The best you can do is exactly how you handled it. You tell them how long you plan on playing and offer another time to match-up. However, I will say this, if someone were as difficlt with me as this person was with you, I would quit them completely. Yes, it's not easy quitting up and I'd probably do what I could to ease the tension - pay his time, buy him a beer, maybe even nix the last set but I'd quit him outright.

With that said, when things go smooth and I win, I always pick up the table time. People can have a big reaction when it comes to losing money and I think it's important, no matter what the stakes, to finish on a positive note. I'm not saying what you did was wrong and I'm not saying what he did was right. All I'm saying is, it's important to know how to manage those situations well. Being right means nothing.
 
In the final game here is the lock-up safe I put him in. He is frozen to the rail and to the 3 ball.

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After he fouled I ran down to this position on the 6 ball. I didn't get the best on the 5 to get on the 6 so I thought this would work.

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This is the shot he took and no balls hit a rail. Honestly I don't think he even thought that he fouled when I asked him if he hit the 6 on the way in. (I knew 100% that he hadn't hit the 6)

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When you're 100% sure of what happened you don't ask them if they hit the ball first or the rail. This will put it into their mind that you're unsure of what happened.

I would just have said no rail ball in hand and wait for them to confirm and then pick up the cue ball. Most likely there would have been no argument.
 
When you're 100% sure of what happened you don't ask them if they hit the ball first or the rail. This will put it into their mind that you're unsure of what happened.

I would just have said no rail ball in hand and wait for them to confirm and then pick up the cue ball. Most likely there would have been no argument.


Usually that's what I do, but in this case it seemed pretty clear that he was not thinking he fouled. He didn't want to let it go easily. Even made some claims that a ball went to a rail that obviously did not.

I didn't call foul right away, I started with my question of whether he hit the 6 ball on the way in or not. He answered immediately that he kicked behind it. Then I told him that no balls went to a rail afterwards so it's a foul, right?

His face turned beat red, like I did something to him. He even yelled out, "Take F'n Ball in hand Jerry!"

I'm not sure if I'll gamble with him again or not. He does have a guy that has backed him in the past, so maybe setting up a bigger ahead set match would be great.
 
lol, i've seen people lose their mind over $20 :grin:

Op, it's no surprise the guy acted this way.....he was mumbling about the rails and the rolls, you had to know this was coming.....just don't gamble with him....sounds like the type of guy that takes the fun out of pool, no loss to you....

amen!

Lww
 
LOL, I've seen people lose their mind over $20 :grin:

We lost a guy one night in our E.R., as stabbing victim, he was trying to collect $20.00 he won in a pool game in Van Nuys, CA. The looser did not want to pay up, and put a blade between his 3rd, and 4th. Intercostal space, severing the victims Aorta.
 
anyway so what do you think about this and if someone did this or has done this to you? is it common for people to do this?

You change the size of the table you change the game. So, he can refuse to play.
Perhaps he though you could not handle a bigger table, or perhaps he only plays on 9 foot tables.
Who knows. I would not switch tables, but that's just because I don't like bar boxes.
 
i always make it a point to keep reminding the person that "this is the last set"

1. it gives them a chance to double up if they want.

2. at worst, i've had them make some comments but always within the range of what is acceptable for pool hall gambling "ahhh, you picked a good time to quit up, BUT you did say last set, promise we'll play next week (or whenever)"


you have to remember that some people live in the pool hall and really do gamble almost 24/7 and it is just not natural for them to think the game will ever end.
 
You change the size of the table you change the game. So, he can refuse to play.
Perhaps he though you could not handle a bigger table, or perhaps he only plays on 9 foot tables.
Who knows. I would not switch tables, but that's just because I don't like bar boxes.

I like 9 footers the best, problem is the rails were so dead i mean ROCK hard and the cloth was ripped all over so the ball would not roll true, anyway im guessing that he knew the table and thought he would lose if he played on the box table that is why he refused. i was just wondering if this has happened to anyone, i did nt mind that he quit i was mostly wondering why he would ONLY want to play on a table that is so horrible. i would rather not play on a bar table but ill play on any size.
 
LOL, I've seen people lose their mind over $20 :grin:

OP, it's no surprise the guy acted this way.....he was mumbling about the rails and the rolls, you had to know this was coming.....just don't gamble with him....sounds like the type of guy that takes the fun out of pool, no loss to you....

This I would have quit as soon as he started making such a rukkus.. forget the money, if you're not homeless it isn't even worth it.
 
i always make it a point to keep reminding the person that "this is the last set"

1. it gives them a chance to double up if they want.

2. at worst, i've had them make some comments but always within the range of what is acceptable for pool hall gambling "ahhh, you picked a good time to quit up, BUT you did say last set, promise we'll play next week (or whenever)"


you have to remember that some people live in the pool hall and really do gamble almost 24/7 and it is just not natural for them to think the game will ever end.

Thanks for the info. I love the double up on the last set.

I really did mean to say before the last set, "Okay, time for one last set", but when it crossed my mind he was in the men's room and I just forgot about it.
 
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