Gearing English Compensation - Thoughts & Questions

[336Robin]

... only if it is just the right amount of outside (i.e., the gearing amount). Too little outside creates cut-induced throw (CIT), and too much outside creates spin-induced throw (SIT).

Regards,
Dave

Absolutely and something you get a feel for. What I think is interesting is that when you discover this, using the outside become not only a natural solution but easier to play with in many cases rather than center English. In some cases Center Ball seems to be almost problematic if you aren't ready for the CIT.

 

[dr_dave]

Absolutely and something you get a feel for.

Agreed. Although, the 40% rule might help some people visualize and learn the "feel" faster (and check their intuition when a shot alignment doesn't look or feel quite right).

... using the outside become not only a natural solution but easier to play with in many cases rather than center English. In some cases Center Ball seems to be almost problematic if you aren't ready for the CIT.

Agreed, if one is not good at compensating for CIT (especially with stun shots, and especially at slower speeds), gearing outside english might be a good solution (assuming the person is good at compensating for squirt and swerve, either consciously or intuitively).

Regards,
Dave

 

[336Robin]

A note to make

Agreed. Although, the 40% rule might help some people visualize and learn the "feel" faster (and check their intuition when a shot alignment doesn't look or feel quite right).

Agreed, if one is not good at compensating for CIT (especially with stun shots, and especially at slower speeds), gearing outside english might be a good solution (assuming the person is good at compensating for squirt and swerve, either consciously or intuitively).

Regards,
Dave

Im not sure why but I was having a tendency not to use outside gearing English on short shots and found out recently that this seems to help me hold cue ball position rather that use a bit more speed. The most of these I speak of are really short cut shots where that bit of outside would keep them on path. This could be due to my perception of things but so far that's how it seems to be working.

 

[dr_dave]

Im not sure why but I was having a tendency not to use outside gearing English on short shots and found out recently that this seems to help me hold cue ball position rather that use a bit more speed. The most of these I speak of are really short cut shots where that bit of outside would keep them on path. This could be due to my perception of things but so far that's how it seems to be working.

Outside english can definitely be used to help hold the CB when the CB is fairly close to the OB. For more info on this topic, including instructional articles and video demonstrations, see: using throw to "hold" or "kill" the CB.

Regards,
Dave

 

[CJ Wiley]

I'm not convinced your technical understanding is as good as you claim.

Of course I don't have the playing skill that you do - just like you don't have the technical understanding I do. The difference is nobody tries to belittle your skill.

pj
chgo

I appreciate you conceding the playing part to me, however, I'm not convinced your technical understanding is as good as you claim......not by a long shot.

If you want to test your technical understanding against me you can, I'll be willing to debate you on AZBILLIARDS via phone, with them asking us as many technical questions as they want. We can have 1-3 minutes for our responses.

Then they can post and let people decide if your technical understanding is really that good, and mine is (as you say) not good.

I'll do this any day, any time, and for any amount of time required (an hour should be sufficient to prove your "understanding")

 

[Ron Swanson]

One thing I'd suggest players avoid is your advice. This is a good example of why. Utter nonsense.

pj
chgo

Indeed it is. Level and centre are about as good advice as you can get, in addition to ignoring all that physics claptrap, obviously. I can feel my game sinking even lower just reading about it.

We have a pincer movement of bullshit, right here. A plague on both your houses.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If you want to test your technical understanding against me you can

I have, several times - otherwise you wouldn't be making silly challenges.

I'll be willing to debate you on AZBILLIARDS

Save the drama for your reality series. If you have a response to any of my several past objections to your "technical" claims, I'm interested to hear it.

pj
chgo

 

[CJ Wiley]

I have, several times - otherwise you wouldn't be making silly challenges.


Save the drama for your reality series. If you have a response to any of my several past objections to your "technical" claims, I'm interested to hear it.

pj
chgo

I accept your apology.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I accept your apology.

The insanity defense. Well played.

pj
chgo

 

[Colin Colenso]

Indeed it is. Level and centre are about as good advice as you can get, in addition to ignoring all that physics claptrap, obviously. I can feel my game sinking even lower just reading about it.

We have a pincer movement of bullshit, right here. A plague on both your houses.

Hey Ron,
Enjoy your posts often.

I'd tend to agree that most players do better with good fundamentals than trying to think about all the physics involved.

When you mentioned earlier that thinking about, and I assume attempting to make compensations for gearing english caused unfamiliar misses, I'm not surprised.

I expect you have learned to naturally adjust upon different intentions of spin applications during your aiming, and as such, making a conscious effort to align one way, then pivot to 40% would create inaccuracies.

To adapt, one needs to re-program aiming fundamentals. That will be ineffective in the short term for all.... perhaps advantageous for a few who are persistent with it.

The world's best seem unaware of it, though I see them applying it in some situations, perhaps intuitively.

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, as some time spent on it may lead to a deeper understanding of processes that are most often subconscious. The knowledge could provide a hint for compensating for errors in judgement on stun shots or when attempting OE. Then again, it may cause paralysis by analysis in others. It won't be for everyone.

Cheers,
Colin

 

[Colin Colenso]

I appreciate you conceding the playing part to me, however, I'm not convinced your technical understanding is as good as you claim......not by a long shot.

If you want to test your technical understanding against me you can, I'll be willing to debate you on AZBILLIARDS via phone, with them asking us as many technical questions as they want. We can have 1-3 minutes for our responses.

Then they can post and let people decide if your technical understanding is really that good, and mine is (as you say) not good.

I'll do this any day, any time, and for any amount of time required (an hour should be sufficient to prove your "understanding")

That debate format, as a means of confirming technical expertise, is as reliable as the democratic electoral process is at empowering honest leaders.